max steel wrote:Two hulls of Project 1241 Molnya missile boats which remained in the state of limbo for a while will be completed by the shipbuilding yard Vympel to a the specifications of Project 12418 missile corvettes.
Molnya (Lightning) To Become A Thunderbolt
For those who do not remember, those ungainly ships went into existence as Tarantul-class missile boats in 1970s and even US Navy had one (former DDR Navy's Hiddensee) serving at Naval Air Warfare Center in Maryland in 1990s. Latest iterations of venerable Tarantuls, however, are a different game. Project 12418 corvettes are armed with 16 Uran-E (Switchblade) missiles.
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Vietnamese Navy's (export) version :
There will be obvious upgrades, including latest electronic suite for corvettes for the Russian Navy. Considering the fact that in Sea Denial and A2/AD business a salvo means a lot, it means that theoretical salvo of Russian Navy in the theater, where these corvettes will be serving, grows by additional 32 anti-shipping missiles. That is a lot, to put it mildly without resorting to the specifics of Salvo Equations and coefficients which constitute them. Obviously, such corvettes have very limited Air Defense (for now) and no ASW suites to talk about, but they fit perfectly in a littoral A2/AD settings where other heterogeneous forces will be taking care of air defense and ASW.
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Well if they already have those two just sitting around why not put them to use. Uran missiles are easy and cheap way to add some quality "dakka" to them. Why let it go to waste...
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Russian Pacific Fleet warships arrive in Indonesia for Komodo 2016 naval drills
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http://tass.ru/en/defense/868651
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http://tass.ru/en/defense/868651
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Borodino training ship and incomplete "Tuman" Pr.11540 (Neustrashimy class) will be scrapped
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1852987.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1852987.html
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Russia's Shipbuilders Struggle With New Construction
A couple of recent announcements indicate that Russian shipbuilders are continuing to struggle with construction of new types of ships. First came the announcement, right at the end of 2015, that the commissioning of the Admiral Gorshkov frigate was being delayed for another year, until the end of 2016. At the same time, the navy announced that the Admiral Grigorovich frigate will be commissioned in the first quarter of 2016. It had previously been expected to be commissioned in May 2015, before being repeatedly pushed back. In addition, commissioning of the lead ship of the Alexandrit-class (Project 12700) of minesweepers has been pushed back yet again, to May 2016. It was originally planned to be in the fleet back in 2013. And sea trials of the Ivan Gren amphibious ship were also delayed until the first quarter of 2016. As a result, in 2015 the Russian Navy received no new blue water surface ships.
On the other hand, it lost the services of several ships, including the Steregushchiy corvette that suffered a fire in April and both Neustrashimyi-class frigates. The latter ships are waiting to be overhauled at Yantar shipyard, but the overhaul will take a long time since Ukraine will not supply replacement engines for the ships. The lack of engines will delay construction on most of the larger classes of surface ships, including Project 22350 (Admiral Gorshkov-class hulls 3-4), Project 11356 (Admiral Gorshkov-class hulls 4-6), and Project 20385 (Stereguschiy-class variant, replaced by Project 20380 with less reliable Russian-built engines).
Submarine construction may seem better on the surface, with the commissioning of two Improved Kilo-class (Project 636) diesel submarines and the return to active service in 2015 of the Akula-class submarine Gepard and the Sierra-class submarine Pskov after length overhauls. While there is no doubt that Russian submarine construction is in much better shape than the construction of ocean-going surface ships, there are problems here as well. First of all, despite being commissioned back in 2013, the Severodvinsk SSN remains in sea trials for the third year.
But more importantly, development of a new class of diesel-electric submarines appears to be in trouble. Problems with propulsion systems have long delayed commissioning of the lead vessel of the Lada-class, resulting in the decision taken several years ago to build six Improved Kilo-class submarines for the Black Sea Fleet. The Russian Navy appeared to be moving on in announcing the successor Kalina-class, which was to have air-independent propulsion systems (AIP). Russian experts argued that AIP would be ready by 2017-18, and the new submarines could be built relatively quickly after that. However, the Russian Navy recently announced, with quite a bit of fanfare, that it had ordered another six Improved Kilo-class submarines for the Pacific Fleet. These are very good submarines, which undoubtedly be equipped with Kalibr cruise missiles that will give them a potent anti-ship and land-attack capability. But the implication of this announcement is that the Russian Navy does not expect to receive any of the new Kalina-class submarines any time soon, and is therefore ordering the tried and true submarines to fill the gap.
All in all, it seems that Russian shipbuilding is continuing to “tread water,” successfully building ships that it has already built in the past but having serious problems with delays in the new projects that were expected to form the core of the Russian Navy in the 2020s.
A couple of recent announcements indicate that Russian shipbuilders are continuing to struggle with construction of new types of ships. First came the announcement, right at the end of 2015, that the commissioning of the Admiral Gorshkov frigate was being delayed for another year, until the end of 2016. At the same time, the navy announced that the Admiral Grigorovich frigate will be commissioned in the first quarter of 2016. It had previously been expected to be commissioned in May 2015, before being repeatedly pushed back. In addition, commissioning of the lead ship of the Alexandrit-class (Project 12700) of minesweepers has been pushed back yet again, to May 2016. It was originally planned to be in the fleet back in 2013. And sea trials of the Ivan Gren amphibious ship were also delayed until the first quarter of 2016. As a result, in 2015 the Russian Navy received no new blue water surface ships.
On the other hand, it lost the services of several ships, including the Steregushchiy corvette that suffered a fire in April and both Neustrashimyi-class frigates. The latter ships are waiting to be overhauled at Yantar shipyard, but the overhaul will take a long time since Ukraine will not supply replacement engines for the ships. The lack of engines will delay construction on most of the larger classes of surface ships, including Project 22350 (Admiral Gorshkov-class hulls 3-4), Project 11356 (Admiral Gorshkov-class hulls 4-6), and Project 20385 (Stereguschiy-class variant, replaced by Project 20380 with less reliable Russian-built engines).
Submarine construction may seem better on the surface, with the commissioning of two Improved Kilo-class (Project 636) diesel submarines and the return to active service in 2015 of the Akula-class submarine Gepard and the Sierra-class submarine Pskov after length overhauls. While there is no doubt that Russian submarine construction is in much better shape than the construction of ocean-going surface ships, there are problems here as well. First of all, despite being commissioned back in 2013, the Severodvinsk SSN remains in sea trials for the third year.
But more importantly, development of a new class of diesel-electric submarines appears to be in trouble. Problems with propulsion systems have long delayed commissioning of the lead vessel of the Lada-class, resulting in the decision taken several years ago to build six Improved Kilo-class submarines for the Black Sea Fleet. The Russian Navy appeared to be moving on in announcing the successor Kalina-class, which was to have air-independent propulsion systems (AIP). Russian experts argued that AIP would be ready by 2017-18, and the new submarines could be built relatively quickly after that. However, the Russian Navy recently announced, with quite a bit of fanfare, that it had ordered another six Improved Kilo-class submarines for the Pacific Fleet. These are very good submarines, which undoubtedly be equipped with Kalibr cruise missiles that will give them a potent anti-ship and land-attack capability. But the implication of this announcement is that the Russian Navy does not expect to receive any of the new Kalina-class submarines any time soon, and is therefore ordering the tried and true submarines to fill the gap.
All in all, it seems that Russian shipbuilding is continuing to “tread water,” successfully building ships that it has already built in the past but having serious problems with delays in the new projects that were expected to form the core of the Russian Navy in the 2020s.
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max steel wrote:Russia's Shipbuilders Struggle With New Construction
...................................and Project 20385 (Stereguschiy-class variant, replaced by Project 20380 with less reliable Russian-built engines).
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The moment I rad that phrase I knew it could be none other than the one, the only Dmitry "The Retard'' Gorenburg. No matter what he writes about you can be certain that "less reliable Russian-built engines" will be mentioned. That moron might as well trademark that phrase.
Please read name of author next time before posting random BS from wannabe experts who think that Tom Clancy was the Second Coming of Jesus.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:...........................
Yes it will need trials still that means construction of the ship would be done, there would be zero point in launching it only to return it dock months later to refit it again. They said its refit will be done by 2018 and after that they will test it on the sea. From what I understand anyway.
So if that link is correct Nakhmov won't be done by 2018 with its construction work. I mean I don't blame them may has well wait a bit more to get the Zircons mounted on the ship, it makes sense.
It won't have to return to dock. Kalibr, Onix and Zirkon are all launched from same standard launcher UKSK. That is the big selling point. No need for retrofit, just load new missiles, do the testing and it's good to go.
At first standard missiles will be used, of course, but when Zirkon is ready they will be swapped in.
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PapaDragon wrote:max steel wrote:Russia's Shipbuilders Struggle With New Construction
...................................and Project 20385 (Stereguschiy-class variant, replaced by Project 20380 with less reliable Russian-built engines).
...............................
The moment I rad that phrase I knew it could be none other than the one, the only Dmitry "The Retard'' Gorenburg. No matter what he writes about you can be certain that "less reliable Russian-built engines" will be mentioned. That moron might as well trademark that phrase.
Please read name of author next time before posting random BS from wannabe experts who think that Tom Clancy was the Second Coming of Jesus.
Can't do it either. I'm not aware of genuine and wannabe military experts so i will share both.
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max steel wrote:...............
Can't do it either. I'm not aware of genuine and wannabe military experts so i will share both.
I hear ya'
Let's just say that Gorenburg is in a class all of it's own...
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Russian Navy Grows to 100 Warships
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Yaroslav Mudri returned to service
http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/641448.html
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So two CIWS for RuN , Plama and Pantsir ? Seems Plama will be on smaller/medium ship and Pantsir on Larger Platforms
"Palma" superiority in defense and attack http://vpk-news.ru/articles/19447
Pantsir for Navy
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/17457
"Palma" superiority in defense and attack http://vpk-news.ru/articles/19447
Pantsir for Navy
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/17457
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Video: https://www.instagram.com/p/BEuOtVolRX7/
Bystryy - Sovremennyy class destroyer passing under the bridge
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^^^ Man, that looks exactly opposite of ''sovremenno''
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Unconfirmed by the Russian military however...
In the Baltic Sea off the coast of the peninsula Pillauskogo clashed submarine "Krasnodar" the Russian Navy with the Polish submarine Orzel ( "Ozhel"), according to REN TV .
According to a report on the channel's website, the incident occurred a few days ago.
At the same time, according to sources, the Russian submarine had not received significant damage, and after surfacing a thing of the naval base. At the same time, Polish "Ozhel" after the ascent had to be towed from the impact site.
At the same time, Polish media reported that the Russian submarine "Krasnodar" after a collision received minor injuries and was sent to repair Admiralty Shipyards (St. Petersburg).
The Russian Defense Ministry has not yet given any comment on the incident, it was reported.
According to REN TV, "Ozhel" - diesel submarine project 877E Soviet production, which came to Poland in 1986. On arms ship - six torpedo tubes caliber 533 mm, up to 18 torpedoes or 24 mines. Another four submarines Polish VMC went to Warsaw by the British in the early 2000s and earlier were English names, according to the channel.
In the Baltic Sea off the coast of the peninsula Pillauskogo clashed submarine "Krasnodar" the Russian Navy with the Polish submarine Orzel ( "Ozhel"), according to REN TV .
According to a report on the channel's website, the incident occurred a few days ago.
At the same time, according to sources, the Russian submarine had not received significant damage, and after surfacing a thing of the naval base. At the same time, Polish "Ozhel" after the ascent had to be towed from the impact site.
At the same time, Polish media reported that the Russian submarine "Krasnodar" after a collision received minor injuries and was sent to repair Admiralty Shipyards (St. Petersburg).
The Russian Defense Ministry has not yet given any comment on the incident, it was reported.
According to REN TV, "Ozhel" - diesel submarine project 877E Soviet production, which came to Poland in 1986. On arms ship - six torpedo tubes caliber 533 mm, up to 18 torpedoes or 24 mines. Another four submarines Polish VMC went to Warsaw by the British in the early 2000s and earlier were English names, according to the channel.
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Apparently the commanders periscope is broken. That's it.
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^ Hadn't seen this posted... if periscope has indeed been damaged, it will need replacement or repair and nothing comes free of cost. The Polish needs to be send the bill and need to take this matter in the strongest possible way... else, these idiots will continue ramming the Russian submarines/ships and portray it as an unintentional 'accident', but its the Russian navy's deployment plans that gets affected.
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Dima wrote:^ Hadn't seen this posted... if periscope has indeed been damaged, it will need replacement or repair and nothing comes free of cost. The Polish needs to be send the bill and need to take this matter in the strongest possible way... else, these idiots will continue ramming the Russian submarines/ships and portray it as an unintentional 'accident', but its the Russian navy's deployment plans that gets affected.
If they hit the periscope while both subs submerged and with the age of the Polish sub... the Russian Captain was probably seeing how close he could get without being seen.
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Piece of news about Krasnoyarsk:
Russian Nuke Sub Burned 600 Miles off the US Border
http://mil.today/2016/Incidents7/
Russian Nuke Sub Burned 600 Miles off the US Border
http://mil.today/2016/Incidents7/
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first two new Project 23550
Russia defense ministry and Admiralty Shipyard sign contract for two new Arctic patrol ships Project 23550.
Both ships should be commissioned by 2020.
source--> https://www.facebook.com/Ministry-of-Defence-of-the-Russian-Federation-1492252324350852/?fref=nf (Facebook page)
Both ships should be commissioned by 2020.
source--> https://www.facebook.com/Ministry-of-Defence-of-the-Russian-Federation-1492252324350852/?fref=nf (Facebook page)
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Ned86 wrote:Russia defense ministry and Admiralty Shipyard sign contract for two new Arctic patrol ships Project 23550.
Both ships should be commissioned by 2020.
source--> https://www.facebook.com/Ministry-of-Defence-of-the-Russian-Federation-1492252324350852/?fref=nf (Facebook page)
Fresh pic, nice. Any info on the armament? All I can make out are 8 cruise missiles and main gun. Maybe a torpedo launcher in the middle but it could be anything.
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Another recycling tender from the Ministry of Defense
"Development of a model of organizational and technological and design documentation for the disposal of 8 ships and vessels"
Group 1
Submarines:
B-401 Polar, [ "Novosibirsk" Project 877], NF
B-402, the Polar, [ "Vologda" Project 877], NF
B-380 Sevastopol, [Tanglo class - 641B project], BLS F
Group 2
Destroyers:
"Rastoropny 'head. 872 [Sovremennyy class], Kronstadt, BF
"Gremyashchy 'head. 870 [Sovremennyy class], Severomorsk, NF
"Gremyashchy 'head. 874 (formerly "Runaway") [Sovremennyy class], Severomorsk, NF
Group 3
Large landing ship:
"Alexander Nikolaev", [Ivan Rogov-class], PF
Group 4
Submarine:
B-439, Komsomolsk-on-Amur [Project 877]
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1884889.html
"Development of a model of organizational and technological and design documentation for the disposal of 8 ships and vessels"
Group 1
Submarines:
B-401 Polar, [ "Novosibirsk" Project 877], NF
B-402, the Polar, [ "Vologda" Project 877], NF
B-380 Sevastopol, [Tanglo class - 641B project], BLS F
Group 2
Destroyers:
"Rastoropny 'head. 872 [Sovremennyy class], Kronstadt, BF
"Gremyashchy 'head. 870 [Sovremennyy class], Severomorsk, NF
"Gremyashchy 'head. 874 (formerly "Runaway") [Sovremennyy class], Severomorsk, NF
Group 3
Large landing ship:
"Alexander Nikolaev", [Ivan Rogov-class], PF
Group 4
Submarine:
B-439, Komsomolsk-on-Amur [Project 877]
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1884889.html
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With 6 Gorshkov coming only by 2025 which is long time to build just 6 ship but I think its mainly due to engine issues , What other class are they building and in what number to over come the shortfall and delays with Gorshkov.
Even the 1135.6 class ships are affected by Engine issue so no more ship of that class either , so what else is there on table ?
Even the 1135.6 class ships are affected by Engine issue so no more ship of that class either , so what else is there on table ?
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Austin wrote:With 6 Gorshkov coming only by 2025 which is long time to build just 6 ship but I think its mainly due to engine issues , What other class are they building and in what number to over come the shortfall and delays with Gorshkov.
Even the 1135.6 class ships are affected by Engine issue so no more ship of that class either , so what else is there on table ?
Absolutely nothing whatsoever.
Only things getting done on time are Buyan-M and maybe 22800 (very similar ship)
Corvettes are a joke. Aircraft carriers are built in less time than these overpriced and, by now obsolete fiascoes.
Frigates that will be built by 2025 will barely be enough to replace older ships that will be retired. Yasen-M class nuclear attack subs are built at the same pace or faster right now than Gorshkov frigates. Frigate is built at the same speed as infinitely more complicated and much larger nuclear submarine. And corvettes even slower. Imagine that...
As for anything bigger forget about it. They are expanding some shipyards to supposedly build destroyers and carriers but if they have half the brain they will use those new facilities to build more Gorshkov frigates. Building anything bigger before they have at least 12 new frigates in service and just as many under construction or on order would be epic idiocy. But as long as they stick to standard stupidity of one shipyard=one model I don't see anything changing for the better.
Only exception would be new landing ship, they really do need those.
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Austin wrote:With 6 Gorshkov coming only by 2025 which is long time to build just 6 ship but I think its mainly due to engine issues , What other class are they building and in what number to over come the shortfall and delays with Gorshkov.
Even the 1135.6 class ships are affected by Engine issue so no more ship of that class either , so what else is there on table ?
Concentrate on large numbers of small patrol boats, missile corvettes, frigates to rebuild the fleet from the bottom up? These kinds of ships operating under the cover of land-based aviation will give Russia very capable area-denial capabilities against anything but a full CBG, especially if the small boats can carry kalibres and hypersonic Zircons.
I want to see confirmation that a Zircon can be launched from a standard 8-tube UKSK or 3C-14 VLS, and that all ships with these silos are zircon-capable. Hopefully its not just the refurbished Kirov class (and Slava?) that can carry them.