Russian Navy: Status & News #2

Sounds amazing. But remember: Supercavitation is astonishingly loud. That's why the Shkvall is basically a revenge weapon. If you're not about to die before you launch one, you'll die shortly thereafter because everyone else within 1,000 miles will know you're there the minute you launch the weapon. (In addition, the Shkvall has other practical limitations when it comes to range and guidance.) So a supercavitating torpedo is all about going out in a blaze of glory — firing it when you know you're already dead.

GarryB wrote:

Sounds amazing. But remember: Supercavitation is astonishingly loud. That's why the Shkvall is basically a revenge weapon. If you're not about to die before you launch one, you'll die shortly thereafter because everyone else within 1,000 miles will know you're there the minute you launch the weapon. (In addition, the Shkvall has other practical limitations when it comes to range and guidance.) So a supercavitating torpedo is all about going out in a blaze of glory — firing it when you know you're already dead.

Hahaha... the hiss created by thousands or hundreds of thousands of small bubbles collapsing on a propeller blade that is spinning too fast is not the same as the single bubble that envelops a Shkval torpedo... if was just a weapon to kill everyone in the vicinity of a dying sub then why bother developing a torpedo that has to be aimed or guided... a small nuke would do the same job and lead to a much quicker and less painful death for the crew.

Shkvall is not just used in subs, it is also mounted on platforms and used in harbours... yet again the west dismisses a technology it has largely ignored... when US subs have supercavitating torpedoes however it will be the cutting technology of the century.... 

max steel wrote:I will not call shkval even a revenge weapon . Do subs patrol in pairs ?

If not .  then imagine russia encounters rogue american sub in pacific now russian sub can fire its shkval torpedo and american sub will fire its guided torpedo now before american torpedo reaches russians sub american will get destroyed .

Can Russian sub manage to come back safe in  such an encounter is doubtful though . TR1 said thereis no solid evidence to  prove that russian navy has deployed shkval .

max steel wrote:I will not call shkval even a revenge weapon . Do subs patrol in pairs ?

If not .  then imagine russia encounters rogue american sub in pacific now russian sub can fire its shkval torpedo and american sub will fire its guided torpedo now before american torpedo reaches russians sub american will get destroyed .

Can Russian sub manage to come back safe in  such an encounter is doubtful though . TR1 said thereis no solid evidence to  prove that russian navy has deployed shkval .

VladimirSahin wrote:

max steel wrote:I will not call shkval even a revenge weapon . Do subs patrol in pairs ?

If not .  then imagine russia encounters rogue american sub in pacific now russian sub can fire its shkval torpedo and american sub will fire its guided torpedo now before american torpedo reaches russians sub american will get destroyed .

Can Russian sub manage to come back safe in  such an encounter is doubtful though . TR1 said thereis no solid evidence to  prove that russian navy has deployed shkval .

There is no reason why Shkval shouldn't be deployed. It's the best missile against carrier groups, It would be insane not to have those in service. Even if they are in very few numbers they would be needed. These things are kept secret, Of course the public will not know the true specifications, Or numbers of these weapons as they are very technologically advanced. Who knows maybe they have a modernization going for those missiles and no body knows.

VladimirSahin wrote:
There is no reason why Shkval shouldn't be deployed. It's the best missile against carrier groups, It would be insane not to have those in service. Even if they are in very few numbers they would be needed. These things are kept secret, Of course the public will not know the true specifications, Or numbers of these weapons as they are very technologically advanced. Who knows maybe they have a modernization going for those missiles and no body knows.

Big_Gazza wrote:In this age of automation and drone platforms, I could forsee a stealthy underwater drone built around a Shkval and designed to patrol its allotted zone to guard against hostile subs and surface vessels.  If target is determined to be an enemy, the drone locks on and establishes target speed, distance and heading, then fires its Shkval when a firing solution is confirmed.  Drones would be deployed in a grid to guard approaches to home waters, strategic assets (ports, offshore installations), naval bases and SSBN bastions.  They would return periodically to a docking station on the seabed to recharge batteries and establish communications to shore for sitreps, mission updates/patrol routes and update of IFF codes (stations are linked to shore/offshore facility by subsea power cables and fibre optics for that purpose), while equipping the docks with directional hydrophones allows them to function as a passive sensor network for detection of hostile forces.

Science fiction?  Maybe, but there was a time when robotic aircraft were considered far-fetched.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:In this age of automation and drone platforms, I could forsee a stealthy underwater drone built around a Shkval and designed to patrol its allotted zone to guard against hostile subs and surface vessels.  If target is determined to be an enemy, the drone locks on and establishes target speed, distance and heading, then fires its Shkval when a firing solution is confirmed.  Drones would be deployed in a grid to guard approaches to home waters, strategic assets (ports, offshore installations), naval bases and SSBN bastions.  They would return periodically to a docking station on the seabed to recharge batteries and establish communications to shore for sitreps, mission updates/patrol routes and update of IFF codes (stations are linked to shore/offshore facility by subsea power cables and fibre optics for that purpose), while equipping the docks with directional hydrophones allows them to function as a passive sensor network for detection of hostile forces.

Science fiction?  Maybe, but there was a time when robotic aircraft were considered far-fetched.

Recently very often when Russian admirals or designers were referring to new AC I could hear that this one includes robotic underwater and air drones. so maybe it is that distant future after all. BTW small automatic sub can carry more then one Shkval and due to since and maybe reinforced construction maybe classical 324mm torpedoes cannot destroy it. At lest not 1 hit.

RedJasmin wrote: I think problems the Russians have with drones in general isn't the hardware as much as the software and AI. One of the real tragedies of the collapse of the USSR was that it stalled the computer hardware and software industries just at the time when software and programming techniques were undergoing a revolution, and as "smart" embedded hardware emerging. By the time the successor states recovered, that boat had already sailed. It is always a bit odd when you see photos from many Russian projects (scientific, general infrastructure or military) and you see a lot of the IT equipment - both hardware and software -  is western or east asian.

At the finals of the 2015 ACM International Collegiate Programming Contest (ACM-ICPC), St. Petersburg National Research University of IT, Mechanics and Optics placed first, the only competitor to solve all the problems to win the contest.  Second place went to Moscow State University, followed by the University of Tokyo in third place.  Two Chinese universities, Tsinghua and Peking, finished fourth and fifth, respectively.  In sixth place was the University of California, Berkeley.  The competition pits teams of three university students against 13 complex, real-world problems and a demanding five-hour deadline.  It showcases the analytical and coding skills of the contenders from 128 teams competing in the final round.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
I am not sure if I understand your thesis - is this that Russia +lacks  of SW engineers and scientists? If I get it right you are pretty far from reality. If you smoke send me some weekend approaches if you read US embassy leaflets just bring then to public toilets. There is never enough paper there. At least Theft can do something positive.

Did you check something easy like this? Just on of worlds competitions:

Wrt IT HW is there mostly because there was until recently no push to make own and instead procuring western (quite sure that lobbying bribery same mechanisms as US companies do in west). Besides there is barrier i call mental colonization - we buy western not ours. It smeems now it wil lbe imperative to buy Russian because of bookmarks.

SW ? well if Mededev tweets on iPhone does not mean that fighters and subs run on on Win XP.  
BTW for eastern SW on subs what exactly did you see?  

max steel wrote:Underwater drones are already there  for yasen class subs . I guess you didn't read this article perhaps .



Robots, drones to boost Russian 5th gen nuclear subs’ arsenal

Russia’s fifth generation nuclear submarines will be armed with robots and underwater drones in addition to conventional weaponry. “We’re talking about battle robots which can be released by the submarine, and a type of underwater drone,” he explained.

According to the designer, the robots would be disposable or returnable of military, surveillance or communications purpose.

“They’ll be released by the submarine and stay offline before being remotely activated on command. It will give the submarine time to leave the area, with the drone staying in place to maintain a semblance that the submarine is still there,” he said.

sepheronx wrote:Redjasmin. If you want to debate on semiconductors in Russia, there is a thread for that under Russia section at bottom of forums. Plenty of news and talk.

max steel wrote:Underwater drones are already there  for yasen class subs . I guess you didn't read this article perhaps .

max steel wrote:
Robots, drones to boost Russian 5th gen nuclear subs’ arsenal

Russia’s fifth generation nuclear submarines will be armed with robots and underwater drones in addition to conventional weaponry. “We’re talking about battle robots which can be released by the submarine, and a type of underwater drone,” he explained.

According to the designer, the robots would be disposable or returnable of military, surveillance or communications purpose.

“They’ll be released by the submarine and stay offline before being remotely activated on command. It will give the submarine time to leave the area, with the drone staying in place to maintain a semblance that the submarine is still there,” he said.

http://rt.com/news/214563-robot-drone-russia-submarine/