Russian Navy: Status & News #2

Look at the missiles being loaded:



https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/eagle-rost/album/461158/fullscreen/1371869

TheArmenian wrote:Look at the missiles being loaded:



https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/eagle-rost/album/461158/fullscreen/1371869

RPK-7 with torp and with depth charge.

23130 "Academician Pashin" in construction

LINK

artjomh wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:Look at the missiles being loaded:



https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/eagle-rost/album/461158/fullscreen/1371869

RPK-7 with torp and with depth charge.

Artjom, on militaryphotos long time ago we had short chat about potentially new Russian SSN with displacement something like half of Yasen´s  (something like Alfina) - you alwasy have broad spectrum of insider news, any  news with this regard you can share?


And maybe you had a chance to learn know something more about corvette proj 22800 ? Thanks

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Artjom, on militaryphotos long time ago we had short chat about potentially new Russian SSN with displacement something like half of Yasen´s  (something like Alfina) - you alwasy have broad spectrum of insider news, any  news with this regard you can share?

Nothing concrete has been announced or planned.

The current prevalent thinking is that the future class of nuclear submarines would be based on the so-called "Base Model": two or three classes of submarines sharing the same hull, but with extra sections depending on whether the submarine carries ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, or is a torpedo submarine. This approach would allow shipbuilders to standardize some of the basic equipment, shore infrastructure and crew training, and lower production and maintenance costs.

Of course, this approach also means that a single design bureau would be responsible for the entire nuclear underwater fleet, with all the bureaucratic and political difficulties this engenders.

At this point, these discussions are merely conceptual and no specific RFPs have been solicited. We probably won't see any concrete budgetary discussion of a follow-on submarine until at least 2020.

artjomh wrote:
Of course, this approach also means that a single design bureau would be responsible for the entire nuclear underwater fleet, with all the bureaucratic and political difficulties this engenders.

At this point, these discussions are merely conceptual and no specific RFPs have been solicited. We probably won't see any concrete budgetary discussion of a follow-on submarine until at least 2020.

judging at the sail's shape.. i guess it's Rubin's idea.

artjomh wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:Look at the missiles being loaded:



https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/eagle-rost/album/461158/fullscreen/1371869

RPK-7 with torp and with depth charge.

artjomh, in the link provided above there is a pic of a ship carrying a sub. Two questions in this regard:

1. Which sub is being carried? and

2. Is there a specific name for ships that carry subs?

As ever,Thank You.

jhelb wrote:artjomh, in the link provided above there is a pic of a ship carrying a sub. Two questions in this regard:

1. Which sub is being carried? and

2. Is there a specific name for ships that carry subs?

As ever,Thank You.

1) You mean this?



AS-38 or AS-39

2) Mothership?

This particular vessel is called an "Oceanographic Research Vessel".

George1 wrote:Russia’s Black Sea Fleet Flagship Leaves Crimea for Drills in Mediterranean

The Russian Black Sea Fleet flagship Moskva left the city of Sevastopol for the Turkish Straits to take part in drills in the Mediterranean, the country's Defense Ministry said in a news release issued Thursday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The warship will take part in planned exercises in the eastern Mediterranean as part of a permanent Russian Navy tactical group.

"The crews of Russian ships…will practice the organization of anti-submarine, anti-aircraft and anti-ship defense, search and rescue missions, as well as communication training and assistance to the crews of ships and aircraft in distress at sea," the news release said.

Over 40 different combat exercises will be carried out by the group, including missile and artillery firing at surface and air targets.

Earlier this year, Russian and Egyptian navies carried out joint military exercises involving F-16 fighter jets in the Mediterranean Sea. Russia and China also conducted Mediterranean drills earlier this year.

The Black Sea Fleet is stationed in both Crimea and the neighboring Krasnodar Territory and operates in both the Black and the Mediterranean Seas.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150924/1027452728/moskva-drills-mediterranean.html#ixzz3mhAROVCW

Some photos of it leaving Black Sea.
Source: http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/25-september-russian-navy-slava-cls-cruiser-moskva-121-crossed?ll=48.8829;31.18100000000004&zoom=8

artjomh wrote:1) You mean this?

My bad, I mean't this one

jhelb wrote:

artjomh wrote:1) You mean this?

My bad, I mean't this one

That is a Proekt 971 submarine in a floating dock.

jhelb wrote:

artjomh wrote:1) You mean this?

My bad, I mean't this one

Project 17571 floating dock "ZEYA"

The submarine is K-263 Barnaul

its a stupid idea just continue making yasens as funds come up at slower pace.

artjomh wrote: Nothing concrete has been announced or planned.  The current prevalent thinking is that the future class of nuclear submarines would be based on the so-called "Base Model": two or three classes of submarines sharing the same hull, but with extra sections depending on whether the submarine carries ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, or is a torpedo submarine. This approach would allow shipbuilders to standardize some of the basic equipment, shore infrastructure and crew training, and lower production and maintenance costs.

Of course, this approach also means that a single design bureau would be responsible for the entire nuclear underwater fleet, with all the bureaucratic and political difficulties this engenders.

At this point, these discussions are merely conceptual and no specific RFPs have been solicited. We probably won't see any concrete budgetary discussion of a follow-on submarine until at least 2020.

Thanks Artjom, don´you think that building 7 Yasens and no AIP conventional subs will leave Russian Navy "naked" once older subs will be decommissioned?


As for the sub on your pic has no vertical missile launchers so no more like Yasen/Virginia ? and then no bow sonar either. I hope this isn ´t going to be the case just more like the hull shape option.

I also have found this - but like you said before no concrete announcement only some press note.
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150706/1117508756.html

Rmf wrote:its a stupid idea just continue making yasens as funds come up at slower pace.

Maybe not optimal but what other option is for RN available?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Thanks Artjom, don´you think that building 7 Yasens and no AIP conventional subs will leave Russian Navy "naked" once older subs will be decommissioned?

What is your alternative?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:As for the sub on your pic has no vertical missile launchers so no more like Yasen/Virginia ? and then no bow sonar either. I hope this isn ´t going to be the case just more like the hull shape option.

This is just an unofficial concept. Something someone drew based on the principles being discussed behind the scenes. Ignore the details, focus on the main characteristics.

There could be a potential variation with a VLS missile section. Or with a mini-submersible docking camera. Or with a diver compartment.

artjomh wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Thanks Artjom, don´you think that building 7 Yasens and no AIP conventional subs will leave Russian Navy "naked" once older subs will be decommissioned?

What is your alternative?

As a stopgap? more 636 or 677 without AIP? It looks like 6-8 conventional subs for price 1 Yasen. d Thus they still might be good enough for sea denial. When one sub or 7 is lost mission is not compromised and if you have 1 Yasen to protect some areas loosing one it is.
Just guessing as an armchair admiral.

artjomh wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:As for the sub on your pic has no vertical missile launchers so no more like Yasen/Virginia ? and then no bow sonar either. I hope this isn ´t going to be the case just more like the hull shape option.

This is just an unofficial concept. Something someone drew based on the principles being discussed behind the scenes. Ignore the details, focus on the main characteristics.

There could be a potential variation with a VLS missile section. Or with a mini-submersible docking camera. Or with a diver compartment.

True, flying and submersible drones both for combat/lintel, divers. I just wonder if anybody is considering "armoring" subs for sake of survivability. I mean better protection against torpedoes/mines. Maybe shape of internal hull or composite elements can protest form explosions like in MRAP cars.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

True, flying and submersible drones both for combat/lintel, divers.  I just wonder if anybody is considering "armoring" subs for sake of survivability. I mean better protection against torpedoes/mines. Maybe shape of internal hull or composite elements can protest form explosions like in MRAP cars.

The traditional double hull layout of Russian submarine already offer survivability against mines or torpedo.

One can of course make longer standoff between outer "light hull" and pressure hull, but this directly increase the submarine's size.

Russia Unveils Plans to Modernize Nuke-Powered Submarines

Russia is modernizing 12 nuclear-powered submarines as part of an ambitious project to extend the life of the vessels by another 20 years, according to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151002/1027942520/russia-submarine-nuclear-sergei-shoigu.html#ixzz3nRpydz4x

Nice

2015Russian Navy will receive new "Borei" and "Ash" in time

US: Russia Building 'Arc Of Steel' From Arctic To Med

Interesting article... to which I would reply lets look at the points listed in the article and think about them for a moment...

"the language coming from the Russian military reflects the mindset and actions characteristic of direct challenge and confrontation with NATO."

And why would that be... could it possibly be because:

It is naval capability focused directly on addressing the perceived advantages of NATO navies. And they are signaling us and warning us that the maritime domain is contested.

So they are stating to NATO that NATO does not own the maritime domain uncontested any more... is that a bad thing per say?

"They have talked about establishing a permanent presence in the Mediterranean and in breaking out from their perceived military encirclement by NATO military structures, economic sanctions and political isolation."

Perceived? Really?
NATO broke off communication and NATO and EU countries started imposing economic sanctions to punish Russia for claimed crimes that are still to be proven.

Russia is repeatedly blamed as being the number one or two threat to the world according to the President of the US.

It seems Russia was supposed to capitulate and just give in to western demands... instead it just turned east to countries it has largely neglected in trying to be friends with NATO and the west.

Now that it knows the west just wants drones perhaps in the future ties wont be that close ever again so a strong Navy and Army and Air Force remain a priority because when push comes to shove the west only helps when its own interests are involved... a slaughter in Rwanda is ignored, while terrorists in Kosovo offers a chance to get revenge on the Serbs for being friendly with the Russians and everyone mobilises for that conflict.

Of course the most amusing thing is:

"First, we must in training at the high end of warfighting skill.

We are too used to fighting poorly equipped third world countries and need to spend more money to fight second world countries.... going to be more expensive...

Second, forces must be on call for real world operations.

They might not give us enough warning... despite listening to everyones phone calls and electronic communications we still didn't know about those polite men, or the air power of Russia moving to Syria, or now the Russian Navy dealing with our terrorists in Syria... perhaps they wont tell us in the future when they are doing stuff so we have to be ready all the time.... which of course will be expensive...

"And third, we must invest to pace the growing Russian capabilities."

The US alone has 13 carrier groups with super carriers at their core but we need to spend more money to increase our capabilities to match Russias tiny pathetic rusting fleet we keep laughing at publicly.... that is going to cost some money... especially at a time when Britain and France can barely afford the single carriers they currently have or have planned.

4 Russian warships stationed in the Caspian Sea launched 26 Kalibr-NK cruise missiles against ISIS targets in Syria. The missiles traveled more than 900 miles over Iran and Iraq and struck within 9 ft of their  intended targets in Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo provinces.



https://www.rt.com/news/317883-russia-warship-attack-syria/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/10/07/these-are-the-cruise-missiles-russia-just-sent-into-syria/