Russian Navy: Status & News #2

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but it does not just boil down to what is cheaper.

In specific regions they will require specific capabilities... some times they need a Frigate or Destroyer sized vessel to do a specific job and smaller vessels wont de even if they work out cheaper.

Certainly a long range corvette with a decent medium calibre gun (ie 76.2mm or 100mm) plus some 30mm gatling guns for close in defence against high speed boats and of course a helo would be ideal for an anti piracy mission as long as there was a support ship with it to keep it supplied with fuel and food and ammo and fresh water... it could operate for long periods off the coast of Africa the same as a Frigate with lower operating and manning costs as well as only taking a corvette out of the available fleet rather than a larger vessel.

Equally however if you want to send a vessel into harms way it needs decent air defence and attack capability which most corvette sized vessels lack.

Different basing locations require different defence and attack capabilities, which is clearly being reflected in the variety of small boats going into service.

With larger boats they can put more sensors and weapons on board so they can be more multirole and just one vessel type can be used to cover a much wider range of duties.

With UKSK launchers and Redut a wider selection of attack and SAM weapons can be carried and can be selected with the mission in mind.

GarryB wrote:I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but it does not just boil down to what is cheaper.

In specific regions they will require specific capabilities... some times they need a Frigate or Destroyer sized vessel to do a specific job and smaller vessels wont de even if they work out cheaper.

Certainly a long range corvette with a decent medium calibre gun (ie 76.2mm or 100mm) plus some 30mm gatling guns for close in defence against high speed boats and of course a helo would be ideal for an anti piracy mission as long as there was a support ship with it to keep it supplied with fuel and food and ammo and fresh water... it could operate for long periods off the coast of Africa the same as a Frigate with lower operating and manning costs as well as only taking a corvette out of the available fleet rather than a larger vessel.

Equally however if you want to send a vessel into harms way it needs decent air defence and attack capability which most corvette sized vessels lack.

Different basing locations require different defence and attack capabilities, which is clearly being reflected in the variety of small boats going into service.

With larger boats they can put more sensors and weapons on board so they can be more multirole and just one vessel type can be used to cover a much wider range of duties.

With UKSK launchers and Redut a wider selection of attack and SAM weapons can be carried and can be selected with the mission in mind.

I definitely agree with you that frigates are necessary ( I said that in my post about Gorshkovs )

Gorshkov class frigate is literally the crown jewel of Russian fleet, first truly multirole ship that has enough size, range, tech and armament to handle anything without any compromise and it needs to be built in as large numbers as possible. I was just using it's price as benchmark when discussing 22800's price. For the record, price of Gorshkov class is also very good for what it offers.

But since it's production still hasn't started in full they need to use this ''big ship downtime'' to manufacture as many 22800s as they can because it offers a lot for a very good price, uses many shared systems with Gorshkov(eg. Kalibr system) and can be built quickly in large numbers. Shipyards need to be kept busy and these small ships can be built by many more shipyards than large ships.

22800 can also be used as sort of ''missile trucks'' for Gorshkov frigate. They can accompany them on combat deployment, fire their missile loads in first salvo and hightail out of there while frigates can stay and continue with their mission with  their full missile load ready. Like having small arsenal ships. Think of it as Varyag/Buyan-M today in Syria.

My point is: Gorshkov frigates and Karakurt 22800 corvettes are winning combo.

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Let´s agree to disagree in that matter lads. As for specific roles for 22800 true they do not nee powerful AA defences and ASW ones but for self-defence or defence of escorted ships Paket anti-torpedoes would do great job. At worst  RBU launchers.

Actually 2xmore missiles then 22800 and ASW by lett displacement. 22800 is not going to be true blu wate rship anyway, soyes you can build small universal ship.

Taiwanese build Tuo Chiang-class corvette
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuo_Chiang-class_corvette
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No problem buddy, we all have our own vision of the future here.

But I just need to get this out of my system (sorry if I'm a drag):

Both Visby and Tuo Chiang are nice boats but they both have very short range anti ship missiles (Hsiung Feng III has 200km at most)

Compare it to Onix with 600km according to wiki.

Looks like Rusian Navy simply puts greater priority on fighting surface ships and land targets for this class.




I noticed that Visby had half it's projected weapons canceled along with last ship in class (5 built in total) ant Taiwan is still stuck on just one Tuo Chiang.

Seems that naval shipbuilding is problematic in more places than just Russia...

"Yaroslav Mudry" has successfully passed the mooring trials after repair of turbine

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1768515.html

But they have capital ships and seem to be planning to give them at least minor upgrades to keep them operational until something new can be built.

They have corvettes with more fire power than any previous Russian surface vessel... no Soviet ship had the capacity to launch 8 land attack cruise missiles with nuclear or conventional warheads.

those same corvettes could have anti sub rockets or supersonic and soon hypersonic missiles as alternatives too...

The simple fact is that if they had built capital ships first they would now have a poorly balanced fleet as it is the smaller and auxiliary vessels that need replacing first... larger ships can remain operational for much longer and have more space for upgrades... and considering the size and weight of all the old electronics and equipment being replaced with modern compact electronics and systems performance should be greatly improved at minimal cost

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Creating a 561 emergency rescue center of the Russian Navy in Sevastopol









http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/621526.html

i have read somewhere that dolphins in USSR in 80s were trained to destroy ships