Russian Navy: Status & News #3

Russian Navy vessels could soon see female crew members

In 2015 Russian naval schools began accepting women. Take a look at the training procedure in the RBTH gallery.............

http://rbth.com/multimedia/pictures/2017/03/10/russian-navy-vessels-could-soon-see-female-crew-members_717081

Ryazan Project 667BDR submarine is back in service

One of the three remaining Project 667BDR submarines, Ryazan, has returned to its base in Vilyuchinsk after an overhaul at the Zvezda plant in Vladivostok.

The submarine was transferred to the Pacific from the Northern Fleet in 2008. It began its overhaul in 2012 and its return to service was delayed a number of times.

Ryazan is an old submarine - it began service in 1982. It is not clear what is the reason submarines of this class are kept in service, but they seem to be doing reasonably well. Each submarine carries 16 R-29R missiles with three warheads, so the return of Ryazan will increase the New START warhead count.

http://russianforces.org/blog/2017/02/ryazan_project_667bdr_submarin.shtml

Detailed results of the Northern Fleet's submarines in 2016;

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2499271.html

Ryazan is an old submarine - it began service in 1982. It is not clear what is the reason submarines of this class are kept in service, but they seem to be doing reasonably well. Each submarine carries 16 R-29R missiles with three warheads, so the return of Ryazan will increase the New START warhead count.


Holding the fort until the Borei's can replace...

It isn't that old. And lets be real here, its an SSBN. Those things do not have much more of a purpose than launching nukes somewhere in the Ocean. Not like it needs to go deep within the US to be able to launch its nuclear arsenal.

Like Franco said, holding the fort for a while longer until new stuff arrives.

And they can always be repurposed later as conventional land attack vessels (Zumwalt on the cheap so to say).

Just take out Sinevas and install Kalibrs. And no worries about noise in that role.

Ryazan is a Delta III class SSBN. This type is being phased out with the introduction of Boreis. Delta IV class SSBNs are newer and will be in service alongside Borei class for a lot of years

BREAKING NEWS

Lead ship of navy icebreaker project 23350 will be laid down in Admiralsky Werf on the 20th of April.

https://life.ru/t/наука/987888/piervyi_rossiiskii_boievoi_liedokol_zalozhat_20_aprielia

This ship is around 5000T and is armed with the new 76mm gun and a helicopter. It also will carry KALIBR missiles.

TheArmenian wrote:BREAKING NEWS

Lead ship of navy icebreaker project 23350 will be laid down in Admiralsky Werf on the 20th of April.

https://life.ru/t/наука/987888/piervyi_rossiiskii_boievoi_liedokol_zalozhat_20_aprielia

This ship is around 5000T and is armed with the new 76mm gun and a helicopter. It also will carry KALIBR missiles.

And the name of the ship will be Ivan Papadragon.........sorry Ivan Papanin

By the way, it will have a displacement of around 6500 T

http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1855546.html

TheArmenian wrote:........

And the name of the ship will be Ivan Papadragon.........sorry Ivan Papanin

By the way, it will have a displacement of around 6500 T

http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1855546.html

It's OK, I fully expect them to name a Lider class destroyer after me. These patrol ships are bit small for such a significant name



Also, any news on AA systems for these ships?

Shucks I missed that the first time

Good one at you Mr theArmenian

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TheArmenian wrote:........

Also, any news on AA systems for these ships?

I have bean wondering the same thing, I think it will be a great mistake to just follow the example of other similar ship's from other nations (Scandinavian ones primarily) and not install any capable air defense, at least good point defense, that is something that the Russian fleet is not lacking, PALASH, Naval Pantsir, AK-630....etc. These ship will perform important duties that will make other ship to theirs, so they are force multipliers, no question about that. But this will make them targets, a single 76mm gun, event if its a very good one is not enough. I say, a single gun, because that is the only thing that I can sea from the pictures so far.

At least put a pair of AK630 to cover the rear and the sides, it's cheap and it works, a single Palash or Pantsir in the middle of the superstructure would be great, it's just common sense.

Even Duet would offer serious protection from a range of angles without demanding too much space.

GarryB wrote:Even Duet would offer serious protection from a range of angles without demanding too much space.

Exactly, but then again, I just saw the video of the new Tor-M2 air defense module being tested on one of the Grigorovic class frigates (not sure if it's actually Adm. Grigorovic), there was room to put two of those things on the heli. pad on the Grigorovic and the new combat ice breaker will be just as wide if not slightly wider.

Looking ad the current pictures they can put one at the top of the hangar or rear superstructure or just put one Club module and one Tor. But I would definitely put at least one AK630, that's just me.

TOR is impressive... but I think a helo would be more use most of the time.

GarryB wrote:TOR is impressive... but I think a helo would be more use most of the time.

Goes without saying, I was just truing to point out that it doesn't take up a lot of space.

One thing that I do mind is that the whole module has only 8 missiles, as far as I understood, I know that they made system that can take 16 missiles but I don't know will this be it. Problem with that is that it doesn't allow long term defense against multiple attack waves. If they can put 16 missiles into one module great. I guess that this is a general limitation of such an approach compare to making a dedicated naval system that would have the tracking and control systems separate from the missiles and their launch system, like on the Udaloy's Tor.

They could theoretically make it event more modular by making a separate control/radar module and a smaller firing module with 8-10 missiles, where every control module would have 2-3 firing modules connected to it, but all of it would be in a format that just needs to be bolted to the ships deck and covered with some sort of shielding.

The module on the Grigorovitch is just for testing I think. It's a land based Tor (typical green color of the system) with Naval part for testing them. Their is no way they put a system like that on ships as it's not connected to the ship's sensors and it takes the space for the helicopter.

A normal naval version would be much smaller than this as the radar would be on the mast and the VLS are really small that they could be fitted anywhere on any ship beeing build or even on older ships.

Isos wrote:The module on the Grigorovitch is just for testing I think. It's a land based Tor (typical green color of the system) with Naval part for testing them. Their is no way they put a system like that on ships as it's not connected to the ship's sensors and it takes the space for the helicopter.

A normal naval version would be much smaller than this as the radar would be on the mast and the VLS are really small that they could be fitted anywhere on any ship beeing build or even on older ships.

Yes, this is just a test, and the final version will be much different, but, the module is already connected to the ship, evident by the cable running to it, this is primarily, the power supply that would otherwise be provided by the diesel engine/generator of the tracked/wheeled vehicle. But there could be an additional data link as well, we don't know, that would provide info from the ships main search radar.

My point is that if you separate the radar and tracking and put them on a ships mast and integrate them into the interior then its no different then any other system, it loses the, as I said "drag and drop" capability.

Now, they probably will do that for many ships so they can have more missiles per one tracking and targeting system, but they definitely need do have a "module" version for all the cargo, supply and logistics ships that they will be making, I think we can all agree on that.

As I mentioned it the only draw back is a limited number of missiles, 8 currently, 12 -16 would be ideal.

Looking ad the current pictures they can put one at the top of the hangar or rear superstructure

Seems like the obvious place though some pics have a crane there.
I think it'd be a good idea to develop a containerised version of some AA system, it could then be used on this, 22160, 20386 and any other modular types.

Russian anti-submarine warfare destroyer makes call at Namibia

More:
http://tass.com/defense/937501

Chinese diesel engines broke down at the first test of the anti-sabotage boat of Project 21980

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2515970.html

Russian large anti-submarine warfare destroyer makes business call at Angola's port

The anti-submarine destroyer has been accomplishing combat tasks in the Indian Ocean since mid-January

MURMANSK, April 1. /TASS. A detachment of the Northern Fleets’ ships - The Severomorsk large anti-submarine warfare destroyer, the Altai rescue towing vessel and the Dubna medium-sized sea tanker - made a business call at Luanda, the capital of the Republic of Angola, the Fleet’s press service said on Saturday.

"The program includes a few protocol events with representatives of the Russian embassy in Angola, as well as meeting of the Russian detachment’s command with high-ranking officials of the Angolan Navy and of the Luanda port," the press service said.

The Severomorsk will host visitors: command of the Angolan Navy, military students as well as the locals and representatives of the Russian embassy. The crew will take a sightseeing tour of Luanda and will play mini-football against the Angolan team.

The business call will continue to Monday. Angola is the sixth African country the detachment had visited during the voyage. Earlier, it called at the Seychelles, Tanzania, Mozambique, the South African Republic and Namibia.

The Severomorsk and support ships have been on a voyage since 15 October 2016. For three months, the crew provided combat stability of the task force led by the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier during their voyage across the Mediterranean Sea and during the military operation off to Syria’s coast between November 2016 and January 2017.

The anti-submarine destroyer has been accomplishing combat tasks in the Indian Ocean since mid-January. On February 9-15, the Severomorsk took part in international naval drills in the Arabian Sea and at Pakistan’s naval base. Since March 21, the Russian sailors continue performing tasks in the Atlantic Ocean’s waters already.


More:
http://tass.com/defense/938778

George1 wrote:Chinese diesel engines broke down at the first test of the anti-sabotage boat of Project 21980

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2515970.html

Looks like there was incompetence in the design for the engine load (i.e. size requirement) and transmission. Engine failure after
such a short amount of time is due to factory defect or abuse. It is possible that the engines were defective but we need more information.

kvs wrote:

George1 wrote:Chinese diesel engines broke down at the first test of the anti-sabotage boat of Project 21980

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2515970.html

Looks like there was incompetence in the design for the engine load (i.e. size requirement) and transmission.   Engine failure after
such a short amount of time is due to factory defect or abuse.   It is possible that the engines were defective but we need more information.

I've got some experience with Chinese diesels and honestly they're very high maintenance and prone to breakdowns combine that with a salt water environment and you got serious problems.