Russian Navy: Status & News #3

Militarov wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Isos wrote:

Militarov wrote:

VladimirSahin wrote:It's quite stupid we have to postpone shipbuilding processes because of a lack of domestic engine production.

Purely Russian fault that one. They left crucial components production to remain in Ukrainian hands, partially in Belarus and Kazakhstan too but alot less compared to Ukraine. Not only that, but they remained in hibernation for 25 years without any development in those areas of their own, whatsoever.

It's stupid for Ukraine. They will never found a client like Russia as the west has it's domestic production, idem for asia. In the long term Ukraine looses. Russia will just have more industries and more jobs for its population, specially if you look at all the ship that will be build in the near future.

Potentially its space for Russian industry and economy to grow... however... as there is always however. For certain components it will take a long period of time as Russians never had industrial base for some of Ukrainian products, simply as it was set back when USSR existed. So they now need to almost do stuff from the scratch and it can take... years even decades.

Which could mean we end up with like, the best ship-building industry in the world or something. Building from scratch usually yields excellent innovations... but the time factor is a shame for sure.

I wouldnt go that far and expect best shipbuilding industry in the world, that is very unrealistic as Japan, South Korea and few other major shipbuilding nations are so far ahead its not very likely Russia will catch up any time soon. However reviving some of the dead shipyards, repairing them, and start building ships at least for own industry needs would be a good start.

I think what is important now is the start work in this area (shipbuilding) and set a roadmap to where they want the industry to be in lets say 10-20 years. with its advantage in manpower, technology and resources Russia can certainly close the gap with either Japan or South Korea, with careful planning and strict management and implementation of projects in the ship industry.

GarryB wrote:yeah... I have a friend who has the best ball point pen in the world and really it doesn't do anything that my 50 cent plastic BIC pens can't do.

The best in the world is an illusion and a waste of time most of the time...

I think what is important now is the start work in this area (shipbuilding) and set a roadmap to where they want the industry to be in lets say 10-20 years. with its advantage in manpower, technology and resources Russia can certainly close the gap with either Japan or South Korea, with careful planning and strict management and implementation of projects in the ship industry.

Roadmap?

Could you have not added that the result will be a whole new level and that that would be a game changer...  a 5th gen supercruising stealthy shipyard... awesome.

franco wrote:Two destroyers leave Vladivostok for a long range deployment. Are they headed to the Mediterranean or Yemen?  

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2187578.html

George1 wrote:

franco wrote:Two destroyers leave Vladivostok for a long range deployment. Are they headed to the Mediterranean or Yemen?  

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2187578.html

In translation says that they will accompany A.Kuznetsov aircraft carrier. So towards Syria-Mediterranean

franco wrote:

George1 wrote:

franco wrote:Two destroyers leave Vladivostok for a long range deployment. Are they headed to the Mediterranean or Yemen?  

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2187578.html

In translation says that they will accompany A.Kuznetsov aircraft carrier. So towards Syria-Mediterranean

They already have two destroyers from the Northern Fleet with them plus two Steregushchy Class Frigates from the Baltic Fleet on the way to join them. And waiting for them at Gibraltar are two Buyan-M corvettes. Quite a Battle Group being assembled.

George1 wrote:

franco wrote:Two destroyers leave Vladivostok for a long range deployment. Are they headed to the Mediterranean or Yemen?  

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2187578.html

In translation says that they will accompany A.Kuznetsov aircraft carrier. So towards Syria-Mediterranean

George1 wrote:

franco wrote:Two destroyers leave Vladivostok for a long range deployment. Are they headed to the Mediterranean or Yemen?  

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2187578.html

In translation says that they will accompany A.Kuznetsov aircraft carrier. So towards Syria-Mediterranean

A1RMAN wrote:

George1 wrote:

franco wrote:Two destroyers leave Vladivostok for a long range deployment. Are they headed to the Mediterranean or Yemen?  

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2187578.html

In translation says that they will accompany A.Kuznetsov aircraft carrier. So towards Syria-Mediterranean

The source doesn't say they gonna accompany Kuznetsov.

The good ship Yantar is out there prowling again. Pure co-incidence of course that it just happens to stop right on top of sub-sea cables.

#Russia n Navy #Yantar removed a #USA under sea Sonar network along the Syrian coast ,linked to NATO bases in #Cyprus and #Mersin

hoom wrote:

The good ship Yantar is out there prowling again. Pure co-incidence of course that it just happens to stop right on top of sub-sea cables.

Allegedly pulling up a US Sonar chain

#Russia n Navy #Yantar removed a #USA under sea Sonar network along the Syrian coast ,linked to NATO bases in #Cyprus and #Mersin

To tap cables with public GPS enabled would be gross incompetence & they have subs that could do it much less publicly.

I wonder what the legalities of laying/ripping up sonar chains in international waters are?

JohninMK wrote:

Probably no legalities, the US is hardly likely to complain to any court. Probably just cut the cable, stuck a burst of power up it and dropped it again. Clearly an accident

franco wrote:

George1 wrote:

franco wrote:Two destroyers leave Vladivostok for a long range deployment. Are they headed to the Mediterranean or Yemen?  

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2187578.html

In translation says that they will accompany A.Kuznetsov aircraft carrier. So towards Syria-Mediterranean

They already have two destroyers from the Northern Fleet with them plus two Steregushchy Class Frigates from the Baltic Fleet on the way to join them. And waiting for them at Gibraltar are two Buyan-M corvettes. Quite a Battle Group being assembled.  

zardof wrote:the fleet is growing to sumary we have :
1 carrier "Adm Kuznetsov" and 1 heavy cruiser "Peter Veliky"
2 Udalov destroyer "Severomorsk" and "VA Kulakof"
4 Fregates 2  "Stoiky"" and "Soobrazitelny" + "Y. Mudry" + "Ad Essen"
2 corvettes BuyM "Zeleny Dol" and "Serpukhof"
1 SSN minimum
with support only 1 Tanker "S Osipov" + 2 tug "N Chiker" and SB-36 + AGI "Y. Ivanov"

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Hm why all these ships this many isn't needed is russia trying to say it still has some blue water navy presence? it does but it's very small.

PapaDragon wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Hm why all these ships this many isn't needed is russia trying to say it still has some blue water navy presence? it does but it's very small.

No.

Aleppo will be done soon so Kuznetzov will most likely be taking over air ops near the coastline so Hmeim airbase crowd is freed up to handle Homs/Idlib situation and assists with Deir ez Zorr and maybe even covers siege lifting should they pursue that angle. Also, final data gathering is needed to finalize airplane/helicopter carriers designs.

Peter the Great is there to provide AA cover in addition to Atalant class already present.

Destroyers and frigates are there to provide decent exclusion zone for the next 4-5 months.

All will be keeping an eye on random subs.

Everyone knows what Buyans will be doing.

Also, Yantar and Yuri Ivanov will need someone to run interference while they do their thing. I have a hunch that a lot of cables will be messed with between now and Christmas.