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    Syrian War: News #14

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:40 am

    This is dream come true for any kid who grew up watching 80s era dystopian SF movies.

    RoboCop, Running Man and Aliens got it right 100% and unlike USA, Russia is cutting the red tape big time !!!

    Sadly more often than not such forces applied by the west would not be as noble as Robocop... it was more often done in third world countries with little honour... these mercs were there and paid to defend the companies interests... nothing else mattered... and if the mine expanded the people living in the expansion area tended to start disappearing if you know what I mean.

    In a combat zone however, as long as their are rules, this could be a good thing... of course it raises some potentially interesting situations.

    What happens when the enemy forces (ie non government forces) occupying the asset are supported by western special forces... obviously a Russian force supporting a government force would consider the wider consequences, but a company funded force is there to seize the asset because 25 % of profits only counts when the asset is safe and working... 25% of nothing is nothing.

    Of course a company will equip its forces rather well and might hire ex special forces of their own from almost anywhere to do the job.

    This is potentially interesting for the west now as well equipped and well motivated and perhaps even ex allies might be moving in for a piece of a pie they have no right to.
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    Post  Airman Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:46 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:A bit off topic does anyone know of any combat kills etc of 2K11 Krug  (sa-4)

    In Falcon BMS, You can easily escape from SA-4 with your F-16 without using a single flare. That's what I know about SA-4. To be honest, it's an easy target for Israel.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:32 am

    I presume that's a computer game lol. I was just wondering if it had taken any aircraft down in the sa-4 history
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    Post  arpakola Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:21 pm

    The future of postwar Syria: victory looks like Iranian Islamic Socialism
    http://thesaker.is/the-future-of-postwar-syria-victory-looks-like-iranian-islamic-socialism/

    by Ramin Mazaheri

    Russia’s economic output in 1921 – following World War One and then four years of (International) Civil War – was slashed by a mind-boggling 80% as compared to 1913.

    The Russian Civil War was truly international because there were 14 foreign armies operating on Russian soil after 1917: The Germans occupied 25% of Russia’s former territory, the British took oil fields around Baku and furnished 1 million guns to help supply the anti-socialist counter-revolution, the Japanese settled in Siberia, the Americans, Canadians and Australians were all there, etc.

    This combination of appalling destruction and foreign meddling should sound familiar to those following Syria.

    And yet it took the new Soviet nation only until 1928 – just 7 years – to reach the economic output of 1913.

    What is interesting here is not is how they achieved that – the pros or cons of socialism, Lenin, Trotsky, the Russian character, whatever – but the simple fact that not only is war profitable but the rebuilding is also.

    Syrians can take heart in this reality, amid the ongoing effort to expel terrorists from their borders: Things will get better quickly when peace is restored and meddling, belligerent foreigners are ejected.

    It’s a pleasant, and important, idea to contemplate: What will a rebuilding and rebuilt Syria will look like? What form of society will the Syrian people choose in order to move forward?

    Experiencing war, as 20th century history proves, politically radicalizes the populace in the direction towards socialism and away from feudalism/capitalism.

    Therefore, we can assume that the Syrian people – when sovereignty is restored – will intensely demand modern Muslim democracy. It seems very unlikely that the Assad government will stop this “radicalization” towards more democracy as they will no longer be concerned about losing their power.

    Did you may find that statement surprising? The reasoning is simple: Assad and his colleagues have made their bones, and won over 2-3 generations (at least) by beating off the horrid invaders. If they give the Syrian people a postwar program they believe in and accept, they will be supported for decades despite any Western efforts to discredit and topple them. This is exactly how it played out in Iran, North Korea, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc.

    Assad won’t be the obstacle, so let’s be clear on the only way the Syrian people are NOT allowed to choose their own postwar model: If the Syrian state loses its sovereignty and is dismembered.

    Obviously, this is what Israel wants (Golan Heights), but the entire West as well as Israel doesn’t want a unified Syria; they are obviously content to see Libya dismembered and Iraq on the way to dismemberment via an independent Kurdistan and the instigation of a hitherto-unknown “modern Sunni-Shia divide”.

    However, let’s put aside all those possibilities which indicate failure and discuss the future of a peaceful, sovereign Syria.

    Surely, Syrians will reject the Western model

    It’s not as if Syria is going to join the European Union…nor would they want to, after seeing the EU does to its weaker countries like Greece.

    It seems insane for Syria to install what France imposed on Lebanon after stripping it from Syria: the so-called “confessional model”, where ethnicity and religion informally and formally prohibit everything from intermarriage to holding certain government posts. It is no exaggeration to call this both racial- and religion-based model “Confessional Apartheid”. This historically-unnatural, imperialist, outdated model is also allegedly secular.

    However, even if this lie has been institutionalized as much as possible, it is as big a lie as the “separate but equal” facilities for Whites and Blacks in the post-Civil War United States.

    This Confessional Apartheid has led to such disunity that Lebanon has not been able to prevent longtime Israeli occupation, achieve social unity, nor prevent rapacious billionaire capitalists like the Hariri clan from selling their country off to Western corporations.

    That is not going to be the Syrian way. LOL, we are envisioning them winning, after all!

    What form of government should Syria have?

    Firstly, it is certainly not for me – being not your typical Western journalist – to decide for the Syrian people if Syria’s future leader should be Assad or not. Regardless of leadership, Syria does have a chance to start anew so I suggest they look at history for examples.

    Many who know Iran say that the French Revolution’s genius was political, the Russian Revolution’s genius was economic, and that the Iran Revolution’s genius was moral. The specific genius of the Iranian Revolution appears to be that it allows religion to play an active role in government.

    This is a radical concept, but it certainly has worked for Iran despite all efforts to sabotage this model. Whether or not it reaches the impact of the former two revolutions remains to be seen, but Syria could be the first to adopt many of its tenets and thus be a springboard for many others to follow.

    Certainly, the utter lack of morality in the pro-capitalist Western governments is apparent to all, non-Muslims included. Aping Western democracy in 2017 is a recipe for a legal spy state which works to protect its bankers and shareholders.

    Personally, I find it hard to believe that having a Catholic priest being Italy’s Trade Minister, for example, would necessarily be a negative thing. In fact, were he a good priest, I would assume it would be a positive development. This is not the common view in the West, but the only question should be: would the average Syrian voter choose such an arrangement?

    I’d say: very likely. At the very least, modern Muslim democracy seems to necessarily mean that voters should have the right to choose.

    But that is another question which I cannot answer for Syria, and which they have to answer for themselves: How much influence will religion have in the actual governing of Syria?

    Mullahs, I remind the reader, have no official status in Iran: they gain power because they are elected or because they achieve cultural status. In 2013, for example, our current president Hassan Rouhani was elected for his first term despite being the only cleric among the eight first-round candidates!

    Religion – and this is indeed a revolutionary notion – was obviously not viewed by the Iranian people as a hindrance to democracy, modernity or prosperity.

    A modern, victorious Syrian state will necessarily resemble Iran

    Many will accuse me of cultural chauvinism with that claim, but I am aware of my possible bias: please listen to the case and you will see I am imagining what the Syrian people want, not what I want.

    Perhaps Syrians will choose to remain with the current Ba’athist Party – it is the “Arab Socialist Ba’ath party” (although never billed as such in Western media), so at least they reject ethnic/state divisions and capitalism.

    But the Western-based, secular, Ba’athist model clearly did not work superbly in Syria, most notably in fighting imperialism. A revival of Ba’athism seems like a step backwards, which does not mean it cannot work, but it may not be enough to the post-war Syrian people, who are emboldened by their war struggle.

    If Ba’athism is out, what model should they choose? Well, Syria is 90% Muslim – Islam is important to the locals.

    The idea that Islamic traditions in law – which began with Prophet Muhammed and have been regularly altered and updated until the present day – should be excluded is anathema to the average Muslim, and quite fairly. If Syrians vote willingly for English Shariah (Common Law), Roman Shariah (Civil Law), Hindu Shariah (Dharma Law) or some other foreign set of traditions…I would be quite surprised.

    By putting it in these quite accurate linguistic terms, let’s just assume Shariah (Islamic Law) is the basis of modern Syria’s government and we can move on with our lives, hmmmm? The hardcore Atheists excluded, of course.

    Putting Shariah into modern democratic form is not unique to Iran, of course, but Iran does have currently the best working model: Voter participation rates, growth in human development, number of foreign army bases they host – Iran is near the top or at the top in all of these desirable categories, globally.

    Therefore, having a non-secular government based on existing religious and historical traditions, and combined with modern democracy…would essentially be a repeat of what Iran has done. It is not at all unrealistic to predict that Syrians may, like Iran, want to see religion become a major motivating political force…while still retaining inter-ethnic unity, socialism and anti-capitalism as fundamental tenets, of course.

    How else would Syria resemble Iran?

    Culturally, it seems impossible for a modern, rebuilt Syria to not impose some controls on the press, but far more than Iran does. Syria has millions of refugees, and the hard-core anti-Assad/pro-Western of them will be effective 5th columnists. This is not an indictment of Syrian refugees whatsoever – it is a simple fact that some of them would work to undermine the victorious government just as they did prior to 2011.

    Of course, the foreign press, who suffered no privation during the Syrian War and heartlessly egged it on, will rabble-rouse constantly against any restrictions, which would mainly target their media billionaires/corporations as well as their lack of monopolies in the lucrative reconstruction effort.

    The new Syria will certainly be anti-imperialist – this is another similarity with Iran. Both will continue to oppose the Zionist project. And by opposing foreign occupation and oppression that leads to…

    The new Syria will certainly be anti-capitalist. Yet another similarity it would have with the Iranian model.

    One may call a Muslim nation capitalist, but they are certainly less capitalist than the Western variant. Perhaps this is because Islam is appears far more inherently anti-capitalist than Christianity, or maybe it’s due to the modern Muslim’s world experience with imperialism?

    What’s certain is that only by a loss – only by turning Syria into a “modern” Western plaything like Lebanon – will Syria become more capitalist than its previous socialist Ba’athist state.

    Syria will be subjected to a Western blockade even if it does win – like all independent nations – therefore it will need a model to operate as a siege economy. Iran’s “resistance economy” fits that bill as well.

    Iran’s assistance may be the only way a peaceful Syria remains that way

    Victorious-but-weakened Syria will need allies to avoid closed-border bloodshed, but who else is there in the region but Iran?

    Turkey, given their assistance to Daesh forces, will be despised for a decade or more, and certainly as long as Erdogan is in power. The Persian Gulf monarchies are opposed to modern Muslim democracy. An alliance with Israel would prove that democracy has lost in Syria. The Egypt-Syria alliance of the bygone United Arab Republic of 1958-61 is absolutely impossible given the anti-democratic ousting of Morsi.

    The EU will never openly ally with any pro-Assad government except for in business deals, as that’s capitalism. Russia will obviously be an ally, but on a regional level it seems only Iran can have Syria’s back.

    Just as the walking-dead Soviet Revolution in 1920 was permanently impaired by the German failure to provide revolutionary material assistance, Syria risks enormous challenges by relying totally on itself. Yes, Iran has succeeded despite this, but Iran benefits from far greater distance from imperialist powers and far greater oil wealth.

    Besides proving an ideological framework – not a mere carbon copy – for Syria’s future, Iran is seemingly the only regional ally possible for newly-peaceful Syria.

    The wealth and capabilities of Iranian industry would work wonders to revive Syrian economic output to prewar levels. If Iran remains revolutionary in character – which it does – Iran will not be trying to plunder and dominate but to simply share the wealth of reconstruction in a mutually-beneficial fashion.

    Syria following the Iranian model – like Iraq, Afghanistan and others – could be unstoppable

    Syria may be, for all the reasons I’ve listed, the first convert to what we can refer to as Islamic Socialism.

    I have already decisively proven the socialist character of Iran, which is “revolutionary socialism + Islam”.

    If the US were not massively present in Iraq and Afghanistan both of these nations would have probably already been won over to Iranian Islamic Socialism. The cultural ties and interchanges between the three countries are enormous, and the other two would likely follow and resemble the one that is functioning at a high level.

    So, in many ways it would be historically fitting for Syria to be won over to Iranian Islamic Socialism first: Aiding Syria would prove Iran’s bonafides as being truly revolutionary in character, i.e. not putting its national interests first, as Syria is not a neighbor.

    A rebuilt Syria could be the first major step in a true shift in the Muslim world, one that goes beyond just independence from imperial meddling, though that remains the necessary first step for all regional nations except Iran and Turkey (and Syria). The two of Syria and Iran could, one hopes, inspire locals to kick the Americans out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Two becomes three, three becomes four, and in this way the Middle East could be reborn – seems like the path of a true “Arab Spring”.

    The notion that “two cannot become three” because of a Sunni-Shia divide is something only non-Muslims would seriously consider. I cannot stress enough what imperialist claptrap that is.

    Revolutionary socialism + religion has global appeal

    Syria being the first adopter would start to prove that the Iranian Revolution must be on par with the French and Russian Revolutions.

    Is morality in government such a scary notion? Were the Indian silver miners of 16th century Peru hurt more by Christianity or capitalism? Which was the real scourge should be obvious – capitalism.

    Religion and government have been intertwined in human history for…always, after all: the idea of secularity could easily be an aberration; something which was tried but failed. Isn’t that exactly what we say about communism?

    Is there any doubt that such a formula already has an appeal in Latin America? Chinese Confucianism – ancestor worship with a genuine metaphysical cosmology – is only classified as not a religion out of ignorance and misunderstanding.

    Syria adopting the Iranian model would mean they have joined a revolution, but that decision is obviously between their leadership and their people.

    However, it is not a starry-eyed dream to say that the exportation of the Iranian Revolution – retrofit to local democratic desires, of course – could lead to independence and prosperity on a scale not seen in the Muslim world for more than two centuries.

    And this is exactly why the Arab monarchies, Israel and the West fear Iran so much: it works, it’s logical and it’s increased democracy.

    The alternatives to the Iranian model in the Muslim world – certainly, none are currently working as well. But with Russian and Iranian assistance against the international invaders, such a revolution is tantalizingly possible.

    What’s clear from 1917 Russia and elsewhere is that achieving peace with foreign invaders is never enough – Syria needs a modern framework to prevent endless civil strife.

    A Syria which uses Iranian Islamic Socialism as its framework means working with a proven winner. It would be a sure step towards guaranteeing national sovereignty and an exciting step towards creating a new, better modernity for the Syrian people.

    And isn’t that what The People around the world want for Syria?

    Ramin Mazaheri is the chief correspondent in Paris for Press TV and has lived in France since 2009. He has been a daily newspaper reporter in the US, and has reported from Iran, Cuba, Egypt, Tunisia, South Korea and elsewhere. His work has appeared in various journals, magazines and websites, as well as on radio and television.
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    Post  arpakola Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:00 pm

    Army’s (SAA) elite Republican Guard in close combat against Islamist militants in the Ayn Tarma District.
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/powerful-images-syrian-army-troops-storming-militant-strongpoint-east-damascus/
    The pictures show Republican Guard soldiers storming a heavily fortified militant-held building.
    Syrian War: News #14 - Page 10 16
    According to information obtained by Al-Masdar News on this specific photographed event, SAA troops managed to surprise Islamist rebels by quietly breaching the walls of the target building from a direction the militants did not expect. SAA soldiers, catching their opponents off-guard, proceeded to open fire on the militants whilst they still had their backs turned and also threw a makeshift bomb through a hole made in one of the walls.
    Syrian War: News #14 - Page 10 19

    The raid by Republican Guard troops resulted in the killing of six (6) Islamist militants and the capture of the target building representing an efficient tactical victory for the SAA.
    Syrian War: News #14 - Page 10 11-2
    According to military sources, at least twenty (20) rebels have been killed in the past 48 hours in southern Ayn Tarma. Furthermore, the SAA has managed to break through one of the strongest defense lines held by militants in Ayn Tarma; it is believed that this might now lead to a rapid collapse of Islamist forces throughout the district.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:30 pm


    Well I guess it's up to me to post the news:


    U.S. and Russia reach deal on Syria cease-fire

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-and-russia-reach-deal-on-syria-cease-fire/

    ....The ceasefire in southwest Syria will go into effect Sunday, July 9, Jordanian Minister of Media Affairs Mohammed Momani announced Friday, according to Petra News Agency. Jordan and Israel are also part of the agreement. ...



    Looks like it is Russian Military Police that will be stuck with a job of keeping Israeli and Iranian relationship strictly platonic in the southwest.

    Which leads us to:


    ''Haaretz is reporting that #Russia assured Israel that South West Syria will be "clean of Iran" and its proxies''

    https://twitter.com/Naharyani/status/883379010272735233




    Also, there seems to be another round of intense beardie homosexual erotica in the making up north:


    ''Ahrar al-Sham has mobilized & deployed additional forces to the Bab al-Hawa crossing w. #Turkey, fearing a possible #HTS attack in the area.''

    https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/883365722700775424




    So what do you guys think?  USA going for quiet exit down south and leaving Russian Military to make sure Iran and Israel don't touch each other for another several decades? confused
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:31 pm

    The second link is bullshit. Sorry, but they wont promise Israel fuck all. And you are falling for it.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:42 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:The second link is bullshit.  Sorry, but they wont promise Israel fuck all.  And you are falling for it.

    I don't fall for shit

    If Russia says that southwest is off limits to Iran, it will be off limits to Iran and you can carve it in to stone tablet and give it to the guy called Moses

    It could be actual news or something Israelis are saying to their own population in order not to lose face, makes no difference

    Only thing that matters is that Russia accomplishes it's objectives
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:46 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:The second link is bullshit.  Sorry, but they wont promise Israel fuck all.  And you are falling for it.

    I don't fall for shit

    If Russia says that southwest is off limits to Iran, it will be off limits to Iran and you can carve it in to stone tablet and give it to the guy called Moses

    It could be actual news or something Israelis are saying to their own population in order not to lose face, makes no difference

    Only thing that matters is that Russia accomplishes it's objectives

    Take a look and read for yourself.

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201707071055324770-us-israel-russia-deescalation-zones/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    Judging by this, Israel isn't getting what it wants out of the deals.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:50 pm

    This pisses me off:

    https://sputniknews.com/politics/201707071055334729-us-assad-syria/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    "The United States believes Russia, as a guarantor of the Assad regime and an early entrant into the Syrian conflict, has a responsibility to ensure that the needs of the Syrian people are met and that no faction in Syria illegitimately re-takes or occupies areas liberated from ISIS' (Daesh) or other terrorist groups' control," he added.

    Excuse me, but you have no fucking say at all about how SAA should be able to gain back its own territory and controls it. Neither were you invited (USA) nor do you have legal grounds to be in Syria.

    Of course the Russians are stupid enough to not demand the Americans out. Gee, I wonder if they will allow fragmenting Syria in order to allow fragmenting Ukraine.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:03 am

    miketheterrible wrote:..............
    Take a look and read for yourself.
    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201707071055324770-us-israel-russia-deescalation-zones/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    Judging by this, Israel isn't getting what it wants out of the deals.


    Then they don't get it. No difference for Russia either way.

    Israel still needs to fluff it's image hence the article.

    Whatever gets the job done. Words cost nothing.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:58 am


    Russia FM: Russian military police will monitor a ceasefire in southwestern Syria

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russias-foreign-minister-russian-military-police-monitor-ceasefire-48505396
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    Post  auslander Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:55 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia FM: Russian military police will monitor a ceasefire in southwestern Syria

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russias-foreign-minister-russian-military-police-monitor-ceasefire-48505396

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    Post  arpakola Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:03 am

    any one knows why Tear gas is not used in the city fight.. ? in Jobar now and Alepo in the past ?
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:22 am

    arpakola wrote:any one knows why Tear gas is not used in the city fight.. ? in Jobar now and Alepo in the past ?
    Yes, its not fatal. A half blinded idiot with an AK is still an idiot.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:11 pm

    @Arpakola

    I agree with you that investment in Syria ( targeted ) by Iran , will help reconstruction period . What of the future ? According to me and Professor Hawking , humanity has but a few decades before self destruction . According to some , robots will soon take over the world . Making humans extinct ( this is a serious point ) . Both these forecasts are modern and very pessimistic .Religious forecasts also coincide with this . Most people are headed to hell . Armageddon is what we should expect . However let's stick to social theorists . They studied society far longer than myself or professor Hawking . Theirs is an optimistic future . Feudalism followed by capitalism followed by socialism followed by communism .

    Following this model , then the world ( at least our middle east region ) is at the capitalist and pre capitalist stage . The problem with weak national states , is this lack of capitalist economic development . The absence of an important class . They call this class the national bourgeoisie . The yanks were negotiating with the Taliban . Now the Syrians are negotiating with the rebels . Negotiations alone will not create the economic conditions , necessary for the establishment of national unity . This can happen by slow economic development .

    The Russians and yanks must allow for investment , both local and international in the Middle East region . But targeted growth . In tribal and sectarian divided regions . To act as social glue .
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:10 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:This pisses me off:

    https://sputniknews.com/politics/201707071055334729-us-assad-syria/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    "The United States believes Russia, as a guarantor of the Assad regime and an early entrant into the Syrian conflict, has a responsibility to ensure that the needs of the Syrian people are met and that no faction in Syria illegitimately re-takes or occupies areas liberated from ISIS' (Daesh) or other terrorist groups' control," he added.

    Excuse me, but you have no fucking say at all about how SAA should be able to gain back its own territory and controls it.  Neither were you invited (USA) nor do you have legal grounds to be in Syria.

    Of course the Russians are stupid enough to not demand the Americans out.  Gee, I wonder if they will allow fragmenting Syria in order to allow fragmenting Ukraine.

    Russia could demand us out.....sure however. You have a better chance of finding a real unicorn then us listening, Russia knows if they demand it literally nothing will happen..it's cute you think international law actually matters. It really doesn't never does in cases like this and it most likly never will.

    So I really don't get your point here
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    Post  franco Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:46 pm

    Another report of US CH-47 transport removing unidentified persons from behind ISIS lines. Perhaps Saudi assets or even Chechen fighters to be let loose in other parts of the world.

    https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians

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    Post  franco Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:52 pm

    Yusha Yuseef 4 hours ago

    Report : Syrian Army & Allies liberate Al-Hiel field north Ark Field on the Road to Sokhneh.

    This would place the SAA only around 20 kilometers away from Sokhneh.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:18 pm

    auslander wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia FM: Russian military police will monitor a ceasefire in southwestern Syria

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russias-foreign-minister-russian-military-police-monitor-ceasefire-48505396

    After viewing that optical porn sight I've got to take 10 and wash my eyes. Next time kindly follow forum rules and post NSOM, NSLA, NSM19TPG. For the cryptically challenged, that's Not Suitable for Old Men (me), Not Suitable for Lactating Aardvarks, Not Suitable for Module 1 9 Tooth Pinion Gears, basically that sight is not suitable for anyone or anything with an IQ above that of a fried snail.  

    Don't blame me dude, I just post titles and links of what I find on Reddit, it's faster that way... Cool

    We all have to make sacrifices lol1
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:28 pm

    In amusing news about 5-7 Mig 21's have landed in Qamishli
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    Post  auslander Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:30 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia FM: Russian military police will monitor a ceasefire in southwestern Syria

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russias-foreign-minister-russian-military-police-monitor-ceasefire-48505396

    After viewing that optical porn sight I've got to take 10 and wash my eyes. Next time kindly follow forum rules and post NSOM, NSLA, NSM19TPG. For the cryptically challenged, that's Not Suitable for Old Men (me), Not Suitable for Lactating Aardvarks, Not Suitable for Module 1 9 Tooth Pinion Gears, basically that sight is not suitable for anyone or anything with an IQ above that of a fried snail.  

    Don't blame me dude, I just post titles and links of what I find on Reddit, it's faster that way... Cool

    We all have to make sacrifices lol1

    cry Ok, now look. I'm an old man and by the time I find the sinque to wash my optical systems I've forgotten why I'm there but for Heaven's sake at least have some compassion for the lactating Aardvarks.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:46 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:This pisses me off:

    https://sputniknews.com/politics/201707071055334729-us-assad-syria/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

    "The United States believes Russia, as a guarantor of the Assad regime and an early entrant into the Syrian conflict, has a responsibility to ensure that the needs of the Syrian people are met and that no faction in Syria illegitimately re-takes or occupies areas liberated from ISIS' (Daesh) or other terrorist groups' control," he added.

    Excuse me, but you have no fucking say at all about how SAA should be able to gain back its own territory and controls it.  Neither were you invited (USA) nor do you have legal grounds to be in Syria.

    Of course the Russians are stupid enough to not demand the Americans out.  Gee, I wonder if they will allow fragmenting Syria in order to allow fragmenting Ukraine.

    Russia could demand us out.....sure however. You have a better chance of finding a real unicorn then us listening, Russia knows if they demand it literally nothing will happen..it's cute you think international law actually matters. It really doesn't never does in cases like this and it most likly never will.

    So I really don't get your point here

    My point is your full of shit. And you want to know why? Because every claim you made was simply something I already seen posted by people like Leith Faidel and the Nimr Tiger on Twitter. Your translation you did when you said you read/write Russian was the same translation I got on Yandex auto translation. So I think you are a liar. You will have to do a bit more, like taking a picture with a timestamp and name on it (use your account name for all I give a shit) and post it. Otherwise, I think you are a liar.

    There is a lot to get America out.  Doesn't matter if US listens or not.  Much like what got US out of vietnam would end up being the same for getting out of Syria.  Also, being more vocal about it raises the awareness and need.  Especially when pushed through UN.  May not entirely work, but it gets the seed planted.  Once that seed is planted, watch that plant grow.  And the hatred grows with it and oh will it be so beautiful to watch more people hate Americans and push further away from them.

    Then again, not like I give a shit if an American soldier eats dirt.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:15 am

    None of what you said has anything to do with what I said, you said to quote you

    "Of course the Russians are stupid enough to not demand the Americans out"

    Again Russia could demand we leave Syria but there is no fing way we will actually listen.

    We only got out of Vietnam due to civil unrest at home and we didn't want any more war with China over that crap of a country it wasn't due to the UN or any other factor and there is no civil unrest at home over Syria. So your point is here is a moot one.

    Now you can insult me all you wish, I really don't care I've had civilians call me far far far worse.

    However it's a joke if you think the UN will do anything to make us leave, it's a joke you think anyone can make us leave. We are America we give no fucks about what others say or think.

    So keep that in mind in the future, my country has broken many many UN agreements in the past and we will break more and more.

    So if you must reply to me in the future have some manners alright.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:31 pm

    Some good news for SyAF. Aircraft likely arw going to be used to support liberation of eastern homs/hama and fight towards Al Sukhnah
    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-attack-aircraft-operational-kuweires-airbase-rare-video/

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