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Syrian War: News #14
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franco wrote:The scorecard that counts.
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Most of that land is just dessert.
What matters is who gets Deir and Al-suwar and the resources around it.
Oh humayah has been captured by the SAA
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:franco wrote:The scorecard that counts.
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Most of that land is just dessert.
What matters is who gets Deir and Al-suwar and the resources around it.
Oh humayah has been captured by the SAA
This doesn't stop with ISIS.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:franco wrote:The scorecard that counts.
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Most of that land is just dessert.
What matters is who gets Deir and Al-suwar and the resources around it.
Oh humayah has been captured by the SAA
It's a sweet dessert indeed.
But on a serious note, most of what SDF supposedly control (in reality not at all) is desert areas and empty little villages awaiting return to government control.Deir is mostly under SAA control. SAA gets to keep it as IS is on the path to destruction. There is no Deir debate. What is crucial is how fast can SAA get the job done in lifting the siege. Then pushing over the river, linking up with the troops in Hasaka and then all the way to Qamisli border and air base.
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KiloGolf wrote:That statement is quite troubling. Since when this "alliance" has a say in where Syria places their own military?
Elijah J. Magnier @ejmalrai 3h3 hours ago
#USA confirming its occupation of #Syria (north-east), establishing unilaterally a "no-fly-zone".Elijah J. Magnier added,
Lucifuge Rofocale @rofoca_lucifuge
#BREAKING Robert Jones: We will not allow the #SAA to bypass the Euphrates River this region is a no-fly zone
For now SAA is busy with IS, but in future they will want to link up to their forces in Hassaka and Qamisli, secure their borders etc.
This gives a reason to Syria and Russia to enlarge the current no-fly zone to the entire territory of Syria.
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eehnie wrote:This gives a reason to Syria and Russia to enlarge the current no-fly zone to the entire territory of Syria.
Once they linkup with Deir Ezzor and eliminate IS south and west of the river, sure. But this alone is a huge task that implies complete elimination of IS in Syria. Then, they should push to Hasaka and Qamisli strategic locations, bases and airports. Basically irrespective of local goverment and Kurdish militia (SDF), SAA needs to get back control of all Syria's borders, cities, oil installations and highways. Same way they currently do in the South and towards Lebanon.
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KiloGolf wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:franco wrote:The scorecard that counts.
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Most of that land is just dessert.
What matters is who gets Deir and Al-suwar and the resources around it.
Oh humayah has been captured by the SAA
It's a sweet dessert indeed.
Deir is mostly under SAA control. SAA gets to keep it as IS is on the path to destruction. There is no Deir debate. What is crucial is how fast can SAA get the job done in lifting the siege. Then pushing over the river, linking up with the troops in Hasaka and then all the way to Qamisli border and air base.
That would involve direct fighting with the kurds has they will not give the land up the SAA will need to reach Qamisli without a fight.
That fight will happen well unless the kurds actually decide to go back under syrian ruler....but I doubt that for a number of reasons. So that fight will not happen until ISIS is gone and I suspect Assad will want to clean up the rebels first.
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KiloGolf wrote:eehnie wrote:This gives a reason to Syria and Russia to enlarge the current no-fly zone to the entire territory of Syria.
Once they linkup with Deir Ezzor and eliminate IS south and west of the river, sure. But this alone is a huge task that implies complete elimination of IS in Syria. Then, they should push to Hasaka and Qamisli strategic locations, bases and airports. Basically irrespective of local goverment and Kurdish militia (SDF), SAA needs to get back control of all Syria's borders, cities, oil installations and highways. Same way they currently do in the South and towards Lebanon.
I want you to really think about what you just said a no-fly zone overall of syria? going to shoot down US aircraft if we do not agree?.
We never established a full no-fly zone over syria because we didn't want to gun down russian aircraft.
They would be costs and severe ones, anyone who suggests a full no fly zone against the US or Russia doesn't understand a dam thing.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:That would involve direct fighting with the kurds has they will not give the land up the SAA will need to reach Qamisli without a fight.
That fight will happen well unless the kurds actually decide to go back under syrian ruler....but I doubt that for a number of reasons. So that fight will not happen until ISIS is gone and I suspect Assad will want to clean up the rebels first.
The Kurds can't fight the SAA as whatever areas they supposedly control are (at best) under Police-level control by them or empty Arab villages and tribal areas. Kurds and SAA have had deals with SAA to perform border guard duties between them and the Turkish FSA. SDF is a small militia with no ability whatsoever to control the vast geography that online maps have assigned to their control. They have no resources, no industry, no ability whatsoever to keep anything afloat more than a collection of small towns and kurdish villages in remote areas here and there.
In reality those vast SDF desert areas are under nobody's control and await return under Sy goverment control.
It can and it will happen again.
Places like Manbij, Raqqa, Tabqa, Hasaka and Qamisli are simply not Kurdish and SAA will link up with them after IS is eliminated. It will happen with no major difficulty, as the Kurds will have to choose between survival under SAA control/protection and fast elimination/invasion/embargo by Erdogan's Turkey.
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KiloGolf wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:That would involve direct fighting with the kurds has they will not give the land up the SAA will need to reach Qamisli without a fight.
That fight will happen well unless the kurds actually decide to go back under syrian ruler....but I doubt that for a number of reasons. So that fight will not happen until ISIS is gone and I suspect Assad will want to clean up the rebels first.
The Kurds can't fight the SAA as whatever areas they supposedly control are at best under Police-level control by them or empty Arab villages and tribal areas. Kurds and SAA have had deals with SAA to perform border guard duties between them and the Turkish FSA.
It can and it will happen again. Places like Mabij, Tabqa, Hasaka and Qamisli are simply not Kurdish and SAA will link up with them after IS is eliminated. It will happen with no major difficulty, as the Kurds will have to choose between survival under SAA control/protection and fast elimination/invastion/embargo by Erdogan's Turkey.
I don't agree, you need to spend time around the kurds and from my time around them they do not agree.
I have always said tho their survival depends on us, if they accomplish some of what we desire in getting certain land areas we will stay in Syria thus Turkey will not touch them.
SAA will try however I do not think we will support the kurds via fighting against the SAA we will support them via gear and what not. I could be wrong here thingsa like this are near impossible to gather right and this is months away yet.
Only way SAA will get those areas back without a fight is if we leave Syria. Keep in mind what we say in press releases we never mean.
I saw someone post something that we said we aren't interested in staying here for decades and we very much are.
I always tell people my country has two hands the left says all this good stuff while the right is being a sneaky little bastard behind the scenes.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:I want you to really think about what you just said a no-fly zone overall of syria? going to shoot down US aircraft if we do not agree?.
We never established a full no-fly zone over syria because we didn't want to gun down russian aircraft.
They would be costs and severe ones, anyone who suggests a full no fly zone against the US or Russia doesn't understand a dam thing.
US aircraft rarely fly above Syria in any case. Some few CAS missions over Raqqa are a rarity as that front is pretty much finished. RuAF and SyAAF are the major air powers in Syria. And with time US will pull out of the country.
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Tend to agree with you. Assad (and the Russians etc) will want to be at maximum strength both politically and militarily before he takes on the Kurds.SeigSoloyvov wrote:
That would involve direct fighting with the kurds has they will not give the land up the SAA will need to reach Qamisli without a fight.
That fight will happen well unless the kurds actually decide to go back under syrian ruler....but I doubt that for a number of reasons. So that fight will not happen until ISIS is gone and I suspect Assad will want to clean up the rebels first.
Even if he doesn't and the SAA just keeps rolling on the interesting part will be will whether the Kurds, if they fight the SAA in what is probably a lost cause rather than go for a settlement, will still have the US supporting them. Or whether, as that US General said at Aspen a couple of weeks ago, the US would have to bow out under legal pressure due to Assad clearly being able to defeat ISIS, the only figleaf that the US has to be there.
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:KiloGolf wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:That would involve direct fighting with the kurds has they will not give the land up the SAA will need to reach Qamisli without a fight.
That fight will happen well unless the kurds actually decide to go back under syrian ruler....but I doubt that for a number of reasons. So that fight will not happen until ISIS is gone and I suspect Assad will want to clean up the rebels first.
The Kurds can't fight the SAA as whatever areas they supposedly control are at best under Police-level control by them or empty Arab villages and tribal areas. Kurds and SAA have had deals with SAA to perform border guard duties between them and the Turkish FSA.
It can and it will happen again. Places like Mabij, Tabqa, Hasaka and Qamisli are simply not Kurdish and SAA will link up with them after IS is eliminated. It will happen with no major difficulty, as the Kurds will have to choose between survival under SAA control/protection and fast elimination/invastion/embargo by Erdogan's Turkey.
I don't agree, you need to spend time around the kurds and from my time around them they do not agree.
I have always said tho their survival depends on us, if they accomplish some of what we desire in getting certain land areas we will stay in Syria thus Turkey will not touch them.
SAA will try however I do not think we will support the kurds via fighting against the SAA we will support them via gear and what not. I could be wrong here thingsa like this are near impossible to gather right and this is months away yet.
Only way SAA will get those areas back without a fight is if we leave Syria. Keep in mind what we say in press releases we never mean.
I saw someone post something that we said we aren't interested in staying here for decades and we very much are.
I always tell people my country has two hands the left says all this good stuff while the right is being a sneaky little bastard behind the scenes.
Nobody asked the Kurds about Mabij, Tabqa, Hasaka and Qamisli. They are Syrian and Arab-dominated. Some more, some less but Kurds as a minority can only exploit the vacuum in as much as IS existence allowed them to do so. Once IS is finished, SDF will have to come back to its senses and pull out and back to the small Kurdish towns and villages, where they originated from.
Kurds in Syria have their back towards Turkey and the lands they supposedly control are not Kurdish in any sense. It's like the roles in SE Turkey but reversed (minus the strong Economy, NATO membership and access to any resources and sea lanes). That's the kind of game Kurds will always loose, trying to play boss in areas that are/were not theirs some few years ago.
I mean they can try to occupy, but they will face a very efficient insurgency right bang in the middle of their little project. With players like Hizbollah, Iran, Turkey, Iraq and Syria all geared against them.
So, yeah.. they loose in that game every single time.
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Priority list for SAA is as follows:
1) ISIS in central Syria
2) Deir ez Zorr
3) ISIS beyond Euphrates river
4) Rebels in Idlib
5) Kurds
By the time they clear first 4 issues Kurdish problem will be solved, probably by Lavrov and his crew with some axillary motivation by Turks
Priority list for SAA is as follows:
1) ISIS in central Syria
2) Deir ez Zorr
3) ISIS beyond Euphrates river
4) Rebels in Idlib
5) Kurds
By the time they clear first 4 issues Kurdish problem will be solved, probably by Lavrov and his crew with some axillary motivation by Turks
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PapaDragon wrote:.
Priority list for SAA is as follows:
1) ISIS in central Syria
2) Deir ez Zorr
3) ISIS beyond Euphrates river
4) Rebels in Idlib
5) Kurds
By the time they clear first 4 issues Kurdish problem will be solved, probably by Lavrov and his crew with some axillary motivation by Turks
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So some ISIS guy trying to rush us with explosives tripped and blew himself up...it was pretty dam funny.
I post that here right?
and
#godsavethequeen
I post that here right?
and
#godsavethequeen
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:So some ISIS guy trying to rush us with explosives tripped and blew himself up...it was pretty dam funny.
I post that here right?
and
#godsavethequeen
That is pretty damn funny.
Got video?
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PapaDragon wrote:.
Priority list for SAA is as follows:
1) ISIS in central Syria
2) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
3) Deir ez Zorr
4) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
5) ISIS beyond Euphrates river
6) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
7) Rebels in Idlib
8 ) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
9) Kurds
10) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
By the time they clear first 4 issues Kurdish problem will be solved, probably by Lavrov and his crew with some axillary motivation by Turks
Fixed for you.
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KiloGolf wrote:.................
Damn, If they paint that guy on the right green they will win this was in less than a week...
Also, those 2 guys on the left look a bit ''cozy'' with each other
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According to the reports, Russia led attack from Latakia, Iran led attack from S.Aleppo, Turkey led attack from Hatay to contain Nusra (HTS)
https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/status/898915587975503872
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KiloGolf wrote:PapaDragon wrote:.
Priority list for SAA is as follows:
1) ISIS in central Syria
2) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
3) Deir ez Zorr
4) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
5) ISIS beyond Euphrates river
6) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
7) Rebels in Idlib
8 ) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
9) Kurds
10) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
By the time they clear first 4 issues Kurdish problem will be solved, probably by Lavrov and his crew with some axillary motivation by Turks
Fixed for you.
What the guy on the right doesnt know is that he ruined his life with hemicals he abused
Wonder if he ever consulted anyone lol
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Militarov wrote:KiloGolf wrote:PapaDragon wrote:.
Priority list for SAA is as follows:
1) ISIS in central Syria
2) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
3) Deir ez Zorr
4) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
5) ISIS beyond Euphrates river
6) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
7) Rebels in Idlib
8 ) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
9) Kurds
10) Post selfies on twitter/instagram
By the time they clear first 4 issues Kurdish problem will be solved, probably by Lavrov and his crew with some axillary motivation by Turks
Fixed for you.
What the guy on the right doesnt know is that he ruined his life with hemicals he abused
Wonder if he ever consulted anyone lol
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Turkey, Iran shake hands on joint mechanism with Russia in Idlib
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SeigSoloyvov wrote:KiloGolf wrote:eehnie wrote:This gives a reason to Syria and Russia to enlarge the current no-fly zone to the entire territory of Syria.
Once they linkup with Deir Ezzor and eliminate IS south and west of the river, sure. But this alone is a huge task that implies complete elimination of IS in Syria. Then, they should push to Hasaka and Qamisli strategic locations, bases and airports. Basically irrespective of local goverment and Kurdish militia (SDF), SAA needs to get back control of all Syria's borders, cities, oil installations and highways. Same way they currently do in the South and towards Lebanon.
I want you to really think about what you just said a no-fly zone overall of syria? going to shoot down US aircraft if we do not agree?.
We never established a full no-fly zone over syria because we didn't want to gun down russian aircraft.
They would be costs and severe ones, anyone who suggests a full no fly zone against the US or Russia doesn't understand a dam thing.
If I'm not wrong, the plan can be a lot easier than what KiloGolf said. You personally are not good reading the situation. Neither your superiors. Russia is almost ridiculizing the US and Turkey in the strategic side of the war.
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America acting as ISIS air force just struck tiger forces.