Decline of the western society

To be clear while Russia does not benefit from the collapse of the US... I don't think they should do anything at all to try to save it either... it is a feral nasty little thing that will attack for fun or for opportunity... the definition of vermin.

Pharoahs weren't black but they were not white either. They belonged to the Caucasian race (phenotypical one) but another branch, like Egyptians today.

THey could have been slightly darker. Some Egyptians today are arabized Greeks and Romans.

kvs wrote:

Oh no, a white guy is not toeing the PC line on African greatness.   Clearly we have double standards applied to concoct
"civilizations" in Africa.   The most egregious is the black pharaoas BS.   Nubia was a union state of ancient Egypt.  It was
not Egypt itself.   And Cleopatra was an ethnic Greek and part of the Ptolemy dynasty.

If Africa takes thousands of years longer to develop its own great civilizations than Europeans or Asians, that is not
a failure.   There is too much mono-clone culture BS around such as women being exactly the same as men (down to
the genitals and the chromosomes) and similar idiocratic nonsense.   Differential evolution of societies is not a measure
of anything.   The only issue is that those that develop earlier tend to invade and oppress those who are on a different
development trajectory.          

That black history bullshit is one of the most laughable concepts one has to endure.

I cracked up when they made Cleopatra a black women, she was greek.

kvs wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Pharoahs weren't black but they were not white either. They belonged to the Caucasian race (phenotypical one) but another branch, like Egyptians today.

THey could have been slightly darker. Some Egyptians today are arabized Greeks and Romans.

This is not about white greatness.   It is about revisionist BS.  Any off-white is not automatically black.  For example, Arabs.

Also, the "white" construct is BS itself.   Greeks are "white" but had a civilization thousands of years before most European "whites".

Thats bullshit of course. There were cultures in France and even up to Scotland that predate Greece by up to 10.000 years.

We have stone buildings here that are 12.000 years old and show a complex culture

The cultures in Scotland and France have been largely forgotten because they clearly were not that useful.... concepts from Greece and other early civilisations live on today...

GarryB wrote:The cultures in Scotland and France have been largely forgotten because they clearly were not that useful.... concepts from Greece and other early civilisations live on today...

Greece is based on those cultures.

There were never advanced civilizations in Western and Northern Europe before the Romans got there. The archeological evidence simply isn't there.

Most of Europe became suitable for large scale agriculture in the High Middle Ages thanks to wheeled plough, horse collar and the three-field system whocc allowed the heavy soil to be plowed efficiently. Before that agriculture in Western and Central Europe was limited to areas around rivers, in burned out forests (slash and burn agriculture) and small spots with exceptionally good soils. There was no surplus of food that could allow a high population density with a significant % of the population doing something else other than farming.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:There were never advanced civilizations in Western and Northern Europe before the Romans got there. The archeological evidence simply isn't there.

Most of Europe became suitable for large scale agriculture in the High Middle Ages thanks to wheeled plough, horse collar and the three-field system whocc allowed the heavy soil to be plowed efficiently. Before that agriculture in Western and Central Europe was limited to areas around rivers, in burned out forests (slash and burn agriculture) and small spots with exceptionally good soils. There was no surplus of food that could allow a high population density with a significant % of the population doing something else other than farming.

Of course thats bullshit as artifacts like the Skydisc of Nebra show. The inhabitants of western and northern europe had knowledge that even surpassed egypt and predates mesopotamia. The worlds oldest stone buildings stand in France, Sardinia and Scotland.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk

The romans and egyptians knowledge about the sky was primitive compared to western and northern europeans.

Who are you talking about? Tocharians? They were Indo-European.

Central Asia was Indo-European until a phenotypically Asiatic Turkic peoples replaced them well in the Common Era.

PS: Ancestors of modern day IE languages (all languges in Europe except Basque, Finnish, Estonian and Hungarian) originated from the Pontic-Caspian steppe but they never dominated EUrope genetically. There is has been more or less gentic continuity in Europe since the Neolothic age with Indo-European migrations contributing maybe 20% to the total European genome.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Aristide wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:There were never advanced civilizations in Western and Northern Europe before the Romans got there. The archeological evidence simply isn't there.

Most of Europe became suitable for large scale agriculture in the High Middle Ages thanks to wheeled plough, horse collar and the three-field system whocc allowed the heavy soil to be plowed efficiently. Before that agriculture in Western and Central Europe was limited to areas around rivers, in burned out forests (slash and burn agriculture) and small spots with exceptionally good soils. There was no surplus of food that could allow a high population density with a significant % of the population doing something else other than farming.

Of course thats bullshit as artifacts like the Skydisc of Nebra show. The inhabitants of western and northern europe had knowledge that even surpassed egypt and predates mesopotamia. The worlds oldest stone buildings stand in France, Sardinia and Scotland.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebra_sky_disk

The romans and egyptians knowledge about the sky was primitive compared to western and northern europeans.

Oldest stone structure in the world is the Ggantija in Malta.

One of the worlds oldest biggest buildings in the top ten is in Scotland though but France isn't in the top ten, England however is.

Oldest building in France is the Maison Carrée. Which is an old Roman Temple.

Bullshit.

The 5 oldest structures in the world are all in France.

Like the Cairn of Barnenez, build 4.800 bc

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnenez

Or the Tumukus of Bougon, also 4800 bc

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumulus_of_Bougon

And the relevance of bronze-age societies in Europe to the decline of modern-day Western society is...?

flamming_python wrote:And the relevance of bronze-age societies in Europe to the decline of modern-day Western society is...?

1. There is no decline. You take some crazy shig communist bullshit of a super small but loud group amd take that as western society? Same shit is in russia or China. Its the normal way of leftist, communist thinking. It always gets mlre and more crazy.

2. The absolute big majority in the west, as well as in the east is perfectly normal. Work hard, think normal and joke about this leftist bullshit.

3. The relevanve of bronze age european socities is exactly that. The PC morons want tell you evry mud hut in mumbo jumbo land is a society and at same time claim our ancestors were living in caves, which is just bullshit. They want feel us bad for colonialism ect. Why should i feel bad for colonialism? When the only thing a people invented in 40.000 years is a spear, they deserve to be crushed and exploited. I feel not bad for anything. I am damn proud for evry single square meter France got hold on.

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:And the relevance of bronze-age societies in Europe to the decline of modern-day Western society is...?

1. There is no decline. You take some crazy shig communist bullshit of a super small but loud group amd take that as western society? Same shit is in russia or China. Its the normal way of leftist, communist thinking. It always gets mlre and more crazy.

I was referring to the title of the thread.

Although what you have to understand that this super small but loud group (that in fact has nothing to do with communist theory), has the support of the political establishment and is being propogated internally and abroad, much in the manner of state religions in past times.

As for decline, basically any ideology has to conform to the realities of material conditions. The more it deviates, the more tensions and contradictions it will result in. I believe Western Europe is basically on that path.
The other side of decline is the economic one. Can European economies continue their expansion in the face of the rising economic presence of China, of the growth of smaller but also significant industrial economies as the Indian, Russian and Brazilian ones - who all have their own ruling classes interested in expanding their corporations and investments abroad and in competition with the prevailing Western ones? Can European economies continue internal growth, with the help of immigration, when such immigration introduced into a liberal ideological and economic order is leading to rising discontent of the native population?

Well these are all big questions.

2. The absolute big majority in the west, as well as in the east is perfectly normal. Work hard, think normal and joke about this leftist bullshit.

And soon you won't even be allowed to joke about it, unless the current order of things change.

3. The relevanve of bronze age european socities is exactly that. The PC morons want tell you evry mud hut in mumbo jumbo land is a society and at same time claim our ancestors were living in caves, which is just bullshit. They want feel us bad for colonialism ect. Why should i feel bad for colonialism? When the only thing a people invented in 40.000 years is a spear, they deserve to be crushed and exploited. I feel not bad for anything. I am damn proud for evry single square meter France got hold on.

Well if you base your understanding of life on national ego and pride you will eventually end up disillusioned.
The world doesn't work this way. When you take away all idealisms you are left with the competition of different economic forces around the world, that can justify themselves with ideologies, religions, whatever. Colonialism was a natural part of this competition and anyone with enough power would have done it at the time. It deserves condemnation as it led to absolutely inhuman acts and conditions. One should recognize this, it's not about feeling 'shame', the vast majority of Frenchmen were never asked what policy they want their country to follow but simply told, that this policy was the correct one because of A, B or C.
But there's no need to be so naive for the future.

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:And the relevance of bronze-age societies in Europe to the decline of modern-day Western society is...?

1. There is no decline. You take some crazy shig communist bullshit of a super small but loud group amd take that as western society? Same shit is in russia or China. Its the normal way of leftist, communist thinking. It always gets mlre and more crazy.

I was referring to the title of the thread.

Although what you have to understand that this super small but loud group (that in fact has nothing to do with communist theory), has the support of the political establishment and is being propogated internally and abroad, much in the manner of state religions in past times.

As for decline, basically any ideology has to conform to the realities of material conditions. The more it deviates, the more tensions and contradictions it will result in. I believe Western Europe is basically on that path.
The other side of decline is the economic one. Can European economies continue their expansion in the face of the rising economic presence of China, of the growth of smaller but also significant industrial economies as the Indian, Russian and Brazilian ones - who all have their own ruling classes interested in expanding their corporations and investments abroad and in competition with the prevailing Western ones? Can European economies continue internal growth, with the help of immigration, when such immigration introduced into a liberal ideological and economic order is leading to rising discontent of the native population?

Well these are all big questions.

2. The absolute big majority in the west, as well as in the east is perfectly normal. Work hard, think normal and joke about this leftist bullshit.

And soon you won't even be allowed to joke about it, unless the current order of things change.

3. The relevanve of bronze age european socities is exactly that. The PC morons want tell you evry mud hut in mumbo jumbo land is a society and at same time claim our ancestors were living in caves, which is just bullshit. They want feel us bad for colonialism ect. Why should i feel bad for colonialism? When the only thing a people invented in 40.000 years is a spear, they deserve to be crushed and exploited. I feel not bad for anything. I am damn proud for evry single square meter France got hold on.

Well if you base your understanding of life on national ego and pride you will eventually end up disillusioned.
The world doesn't work this way. When you take away all idealisms you are left with the competition of different economic forces around the world, that can justify themselves with ideologies, religions, whatever. Colonialism was a natural part of this competition and anyone with enough power would have done it at the time. It deserves condemnation as it led to absolutely inhuman acts and conditions. One should recognize this, it's not about feeling 'shame', the vast majority of Frenchmen were never asked what policy they want their country to follow but simply told, that this policy was the correct one because of A, B or C.
But there's no need to be so naive for the future.

I think nobody in europe has to worry about russia and brazil

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Aristide wrote:

flamming_python wrote:And the relevance of bronze-age societies in Europe to the decline of modern-day Western society is...?

1. There is no decline. You take some crazy shig communist bullshit of a super small but loud group amd take that as western society? Same shit is in russia or China. Its the normal way of leftist, communist thinking. It always gets mlre and more crazy.

I was referring to the title of the thread.

Although what you have to understand that this super small but loud group (that in fact has nothing to do with communist theory), has the support of the political establishment and is being propogated internally and abroad, much in the manner of state religions in past times.

As for decline, basically any ideology has to conform to the realities of material conditions. The more it deviates, the more tensions and contradictions it will result in. I believe Western Europe is basically on that path.
The other side of decline is the economic one. Can European economies continue their expansion in the face of the rising economic presence of China, of the growth of smaller but also significant industrial economies as the Indian, Russian and Brazilian ones - who all have their own ruling classes interested in expanding their corporations and investments abroad and in competition with the prevailing Western ones? Can European economies continue internal growth, with the help of immigration, when such immigration introduced into a liberal ideological and economic order is leading to rising discontent of the native population?

Well these are all big questions.

2. The absolute big majority in the west, as well as in the east is perfectly normal. Work hard, think normal and joke about this leftist bullshit.

And soon you won't even be allowed to joke about it, unless the current order of things change.

3. The relevanve of bronze age european socities is exactly that. The PC morons want tell you evry mud hut in mumbo jumbo land is a society and at same time claim our ancestors were living in caves, which is just bullshit. They want feel us bad for colonialism ect. Why should i feel bad for colonialism? When the only thing a people invented in 40.000 years is a spear, they deserve to be crushed and exploited. I feel not bad for anything. I am damn proud for evry single square meter France got hold on.

Well if you base your understanding of life on national ego and pride you will eventually end up disillusioned.
The world doesn't work this way. When you take away all idealisms you are left with the competition of different economic forces around the world, that can justify themselves with ideologies, religions, whatever. Colonialism was a natural part of this competition and anyone with enough power would have done it at the time. It deserves condemnation as it led to absolutely inhuman acts and conditions. One should recognize this, it's not about feeling 'shame', the vast majority of Frenchmen were never asked what policy they want their country to follow but simply told, that this policy was the correct one because of A, B or C.
But there's no need to be so naive for the future.

I think nobody in europe has to worry about russia and brazil

You'll have to worry about Brazil if you want to compete for exports to South America at the very least

And you'll have to worry about Russian products in the European markets outside the EU, in the Middle East, Africa and Asia

MIT study on the possible use of nuclear weapons against Iran suggests that a clear majority of Americans approve of using nuclear weapons first in order to protect U.S troops stationed in the Gulf.

https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/ISEC_a_00284