Decline of the western society

ahmedfire wrote:

In that case these migrants from Egypt can stay back in Egypt and design frigates. I'm quite sure Egypt is also building these ships. What's the need to migrate to predominantly White countries?

To reduce the Brain drain , you need to invest more in the Scientific Research and establish the industrial base to apply the researchers ideas but this is exactly what the third world suffers from .

Yet those who are arrested are invariably Muslims....mostly Pakistanis but some Blacks as well.

Neither the Office for National Statistics, nor the Home Office, nor the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime, has published any such data .

The Home Office does track the ethnicity of criminal defendants and publishes this data once every two years. The report in 2016, showed that of the 25,121 people convicted for a violent crime that year, 83 percent identified as white, 7 percent identified as black; and 5.8 percent identified as Asian (In the UK “Asian” is used to describe people of South Asian descent  such as Pakistani, Indian, Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi,  unlike in the United States, where “Asian” is more often used to describe people of East Asian descent such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean) .

In the year ending March 2018 there is a 77% increase in homicides committed with knives by under 18s (2016 to 2018). And a 93% increase in the number of under 16s admitted to hospital due to knife attacks (since 2012).
Toxic environments for children, created by austerity made the children become both perpetrators and victims . As example in last 6 years there is 422 million reduction in spending  on services for young people , 3,500  of youth service jobs lost , 600 of youth centres closed , 130,000 of places in youth centres eliminated .

You need to check Homes, schools, neighbourhoods or recreational activities to know what is happening , It is no coincidence that the vast majority of knife crime takes place in neighbourhoods suffering from huge social disadvantage and disinvestment.
Children and young people don’t trust the authorities to protect them and they start carrying weapons and of course if everyone carried a weapon so the cimes probability will rise up .The Shortage of police investigators has been described as a “national crisis” in England ,even London’s Metropolitan Police Service is short some 700 detectives.




So leaving all this and pointing on Muslims is non-academic.

@ahmedfire, don't waste your time... white people have been clinging on to the idea of being the smart ones all their lives, they are not going to let that one go any time soon. The bringer of civilisation and technology to the world... despite the fact that they were called the dark ages in europe because technology didn't improve and things didn't get better because religion ruled the day and sadly white religions can be just as backward as any others when it comes to that sort of thing...

They divided the world into categories... first world is us... white people from colonised countries... includes basically the west but not eastern europe. The first world is the best, and it is white and it is the most advanced in technology and science and warfare and religion and civilisation. (BTW the first world includes Nazi Germany). The second world is not as good, in technology and science and warfare and religion... they are less civilised because they are communist, but they compete with us for hearts and minds and bodies in the third world... you would think the third world countries that turned to the second world instead of the first would be poor while the third world who turned to the first world would be advancing and developing and becoming more like an American... which is the goal of the system. In fact most countries that looked to the soviets but were not targeted specifically for destruction like Syria used to be and Libya were actually pretty good countries compared with the countries the west has helped. The third world is the non white countries that are poor and resource rich but need a westerner to go in and show them how to do things correctly.

This is pretty much how the west sees the world... they are in for a shock...

They got fat and lazy and now their elections have nothing to do with real or serious issues and are basically popularity contests with the people actually in control the ones that provided the money for the election run... and they couldn't give a shit about voters... they just want the rules changed so they can make even more money... that is the purpose of investing money... to make more.

They don't understand the systems are broken and they see the Russians and Chinese improving and getting better and they are standing still or even going backwards... so they blame them for everything... election didn't go the way the western media predicted... must be Putin. The US is haemorrhaging money and its debt is increasing despite AAA credit ratings from biased credit agencies... it must be Chinas fault... want a new 5g network... well you can't let the chinese make it because chinese hardware and software does not have the backdoors and weaknesses we demand western companies build in to their systems so we can spy... so you can't buy Chinese stuff because we have no evidence at all they will use it to spy on you... ironically if we did we would probably keep quiet... they don't give a shit if china spies on you... as long as they can continue to spy too... They spy on you... it has been proven over and over... and don't think US law saves you because the Americans get their western allies to spy on americans, which bypasses laws against americans spying on americans... but as snowden proved they just spy on americans anyway... who is going to stop them? Well if you buy Chinese hardware... you can. Of course that goes for Russian hardware too... so buy both or either when you can... America and her allies will try to make it hard for you though.

Exactly  .

Actually some western elite who look at others as a potential danger are serial killers who think the working mom is not something easy but killing half milion children is something hard but it worth to achieve their mental illness goals .

The Office for National Statistics, or the Home Office, or the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime will not publish any data on crimes committed by muslims and blacks because they don't want to be seen as racist.

The muslims in England were grooming girls for decades and everyone but they did not to say anything because they would be viewed as racist(now think for a second of the muslims were doing this in Russia or China, they would have be in prison and facing charges and other not nice stuff.)

The report faced fierce criticism from academic researchers. Ella Cockbain, a lecturer in security and crime science, is an expert on child sexual exploitation. She said it “is a case study in bad science: riddled with errors, inconsistencies, a glaring lack of transparency, sweeping claims and gross generalisations unfounded its own ‘data’”.

Nazir Afzal is the Crown Prosecution Service’s former lead on child sexual abuse and the prosecutor most responsible for bringing down grooming gangs. The media, he observes, pounce on cases involving Asians, but often ignore those involving white perpetrators.

Given all this, the figure of 84% of grooming gangs being Asian seems dubious. There have, however, been previous studies suggesting disproportionate Asian involvement. Two CEOP reports, in 2011 and 2013, noted that the data was so “incomplete” and “inconsistent” that one could not “draw national conclusions about ethnicity”. Nevertheless, data available suggested “a disproportionate number of offenders… as Asian”.
The social mores of many British Muslims are deeply conservative. Given the numbers involved, however, it is difficult to infer that the culture of particular communities is causally responsible for grooming gangs.

If you took a look at the history of muslims and Islam, raping and converting non believers is what they do and have have been doing for a thousand year.

The brain drain is everywhere... not just from third and second world countries to first world countries... even within a country you will have people moving from rural backwater areas to urban areas for reasons of getting a job and improved comfort.

Had a lot of friends who went to the UK to get jobs and earn big money... most of them came back to NZ to have kids because the schools over there frightened them... Form living in a squalid one bedroom apartment in London they can buy a two storey mansion here for the money they paid in rent...

ahmedfire wrote:

The Office for National Statistics, or the Home Office, or the Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime will not publish any data on crimes committed by muslims and blacks because they don't want to be seen as racist.

And of course you have your own research centers which authorized by government to search and inspect such data and confirm it  






The Muslims not only rape white girls but also girls of other religion, this was in the news and this is in various books written by people who researched this.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7825480/sexual-exploitation-sikh-girls-ignored-police/

The muslims in England were grooming girls for decades and everyone but they did not to say anything because they would be viewed as racist(now think for a second of the muslims were doing this in Russia or China, they would have be in prison and facing charges and other not nice stuff.)

The whites in England were grooming girls for decades .


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Here is how the media plays the propaganda role regarding some reports .

The report faced fierce criticism from academic researchers. Ella Cockbain, a lecturer in security and crime science, is an expert on child sexual exploitation. She said it “is a case study in bad science: riddled with errors, inconsistencies, a glaring lack of transparency, sweeping claims and gross generalisations unfounded its own ‘data’”.

Nazir Afzal is the Crown Prosecution Service’s former lead on child sexual abuse and the prosecutor most responsible for bringing down grooming gangs. The media, he observes, pounce on cases involving Asians, but often ignore those involving white perpetrators.

Given all this, the figure of 84% of grooming gangs being Asian seems dubious. There have, however, been previous studies suggesting disproportionate Asian involvement. Two CEOP reports, in 2011 and 2013, noted that the data was so “incomplete” and “inconsistent” that one could not “draw national conclusions about ethnicity”. Nevertheless, data available suggested “a disproportionate number of offenders… as Asian”.
The social mores of many British Muslims are deeply conservative. Given the numbers involved, however, it is difficult to infer that the culture of particular communities is causally responsible for grooming gangs.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/84-per-cent-of-grooming-gangs-are-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right



This Nazir Afzal is a muslim, why would a muslim bad mouth other muslims?

If you took a look at the history of muslims and Islam, raping and converting non believers is what they do and have have been doing for a thousand year.

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HAHAHA still people repeat such propaganda ,Indonesia is the country that has the largest number of Muslims in the world, and the majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. But, no Muslim army ever went to Indonesia or Malaysia .

Muslims ruled Spain (Andalusia) for about 800 years. During this period the Christians and Jews were doing their respective religions, and this is a documented historical fact. Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years, and therefore had the power to force each and every non-Muslim of India to convert to Islam, but they did not, and thus more than 80 percent of the Indian population remains non-Muslim.Islam spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. And likewise no Muslim army was ever dispatched to the East Coast of Africa.

Tell me about the people now in Europe and U.S who are turning to Islam , did muslims raping them and enforcing them to do that ? Muslims are minority there by the way !

Forget all this and tell me more about the rape and murder crimes  commited by CRUSADERS through history  

the crusaders came from Europe into the Middle-east and invaded it, killed and raped .when the TRINITARIAN CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS invaded Jerusalem, civilians were massacred, raped and their property looted en masse (including mosques and synagogues). It was described in the words of a crusader eyewitnes account:Our men followed and pursued them, killing and hacking, as far as the temple of Solomon, and there there was such a slaughter that our men were up to their ankles in the enemy's blood.

Pope Urban II said that Christ commanded to go and exterminate Muslims .

CRUSADERS enjoyed catapulting the severed heads of fallen Muslim warriers into besieged cities. After a victory near Antioch, crusaders brought severed heads back to the besieged city. Hundreds of these heads were shot into the city, and hundreds more impaled on stakes in front of the city walls. A crusader bishop called it a joyful spectacle for the people of God.

Not only did the Crusaders rape and massacre; they made a party of it. They hatted out their horses in the white wigs of the Constantinopolitan ladies.

But that's not just in the old past , Bush Talked on 2001 about "the Crusade war" and before that the whites killed the Vietnamese and burned Japanese and raped German women and then Iraqis women and stole the latinos .

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kvs wrote:

par far wrote:

kvs wrote:I don't like smearing immigrants as the source of all problems.   But the crime wave in the EU was real and it happened after 2017.
So that graph is not really evidence of anything.   There has been a drop in crime rates in Canada over the last 30 years too.  
But Canada did not get flooded with refugees.   That is the critical detail.   Canada is not so easy to get into even though it
takes in over 300,000 immigrants per year and these immigrants are not 100% going on welfare.   By contrast as of early 2019,
97% of the refugees unleashed by Turkey had not found any jobs in Germany.

The absorption capacity for immigrants is a serious issue and not some irrelevant detail.   Pumping in more immigrants than
the system can handle is stupid and spreads misery to both old and new citizens.  PC drones cannot even admit this obvious
fact and instead revise the truth to push their agendas.

Also, Canada and the USA are better structured to accept immigrants since they are nations built from waves of immigrants.
Europe and the Old World have a much harder time absorbing immigrants.   That is why France has Algerian ghettos.   So
the immigrant absorption capacity of the old world is smaller per capita than Canada or the USA.  

Canada takes in 300,000 migrants, some say it is more than that. But Canada does not make 300,000 new jobs every year, it is only matter of time  before  Canada looks like Europe  with all the ghettos. Crime and homelessness has gone up in big Canadian  cities.

Immigration is a Ponzi racket for the west.   It creates transient GDP stimulus which attenuates quickly thus requiring more immigrant
imports.   Immigration into Canada today is not a sign of robust economic growth, it is a sign of GDP decline and is just another trick
in addition to cheap credit to keep the bubble inflated.

There is no religion that has killed more people in the name of religion than Islam. It even says in the Quran, the Islamic holy book to kill people.

The Qur'an commands its followers to launch jihads or holy wars of conquest to force conversions to Islam.

Fight and slay the unbelievers wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war. (Surah IX:5)

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (i.e. Islam), (even if they are people of the Book), until they pay the tax with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (Surah IX:29)

Seize them and slay them wherever you find them. (Surah IV:89,91)

nomadski wrote:Ahmedfire, you mention well the horror of crusades. One horror that you forgot to mention, is that crusaders killed and roasted and ate the Muslim children as food. All in the name of Christ. And how about revolutionary Iran. The " Muslims" who captured and imprisoned Marxists, who refused to renounce their beliefs, were allowed to Rape virgin female prisoners. So they would not go to Hell as virgin.  Before being executed. All in the name of Muhammed. ( I believe this account to be true and  much worse accounts during  very violent and bloody revolution).

nomadski wrote:@Ahmedfire

Yes crimes. Rape is a crime. But worse is murder of innocents. And it happens in most circumstances. Nobody has an absolute licence for the truth. Even modern science, can be wrong or disputed. Let alone old religions. Yet they are those that adhere strictly to dogma. And old laws. That are certainly not applicable. Or simply wrong. Not a solution to the world problems. Yet it is the reactionary elements, who maintain strict adherence to religious symbolism. Devoid of social value. So that they can oppress the majority.  So was and is the case in Iran. The revolution was subverted by the reactionary right wing. Who attacked the Democrats and progressive socialists and revolutionary Muslims. All using  ( misusing) religious feelings of people against people's interests. It is true that the west is corrupt in many ways. But so is the East. Iranian ruling class, comprising of the wealthy and influential factory owners and land owners, are not revolutionary. Nor are they  progressive.  But they wear beards and bruise their foreheads. And revolve around a building to show faith. While in the Bazzar, they Rob. But they have an excellent PR..... or propaganda machine. And efficient state machine to oppress any progressive or socialist voice. They send phone messages to Cuba!  And take photograph with Fidel. While at home they sign the execution order of socialists. To fool the people. While at home they imprison troublesome workers. Or drive them out of work. Or exile their leaders. And they fabricate evidence against them. But at least now, the people's ear  is no longer deafened by the noise of the Iran / Iraq war. At that time, the counter - revolution  MKO  and others hidden  in state apparatus, had a perfect chance to murder progressives and Iranian democratic socialists. And people were looking at Saddam. Now it is difficult to do that. People are looking. So the worst they can do, is imprison.  Or perhaps they can do worse. Shoot on street and say Anarchist. The political situation in Iran is unstable. On account of power resting with this minority. Misusing religion to create a monopoly of power. Unless there is change in Iran. To create a democratic Republic. That allows a pluralistic, proportional, multi - party democracy of progressive religious elements and socialists and social Democrats and yes even Liberal Democrats and all distinct groups and classes to share power. Then Iran faces instability. Perhaps military rule. It is not just the sanctions. The problem is much deeper. And we can not continue to shoot people on the street. Call this the decline of Iranian society.