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runaway wrote:I didnt see any Navy list?
Until 2025, four frigates of Project 22350 (Admiral Gorshkov's main ship will be handed over to the fleet this summer) should join the system. The upgraded version of the 22350M, most likely, will not fit into the GPV-2027 in terms.
Kimppis wrote:...............
So 4 Gorshkovs in total by 2025, not even 6? And no 22350Ms? That's... .... not great.
EDIT: Oh, sorry Eehnie, I forgot that the Lider class is already under construction, and Storm carriers are almost ready as well, so everything is fine. I apologize for being a russophobe...
PapaDragon wrote:
They can plug the holes with Derzkii corvettes just fine but they really, REALLY need to do something about frigates....
The-thing-next-door wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
They can plug the holes with Derzkii corvettes just fine but they really, REALLY need to do something about frigates....
Isn't the derzkii that one "corvete" that has less armament then a bloody missile boat? ...
The-thing-next-door wrote:....And the desighners are defending thier choice to not put any cruise missiles on it by saying that it can carry containers with missiles?...
The-thing-next-door wrote:....The only thing it has going for it is that it is so hideous that it can impersonate a nato ship....
The-thing-next-door wrote:....If so then no rather build more Buyan Ms.
The-thing-next-door wrote:Well the Orlan class is still the most powerful surface combat vessel on the planet oh and it has ASW capabilities aswell....
The-thing-next-door wrote:...Also personally I think the Buyan doesn not suffer from stealshipitis (exept for its turret somone get a rench and an AK-130).....
The-thing-next-door wrote:...Anyway Russia has enough ASW ships with poor anti ship capabilities (well not really since nato ships essentially may aswell not have any) what they need is more ant ship and anti air/missile escorts.....
The-thing-next-door wrote:...You seem to forget that Russias enemies rely on airpower and not submarines and this anti air ships should take priority.....
The-thing-next-door wrote:...Subs can kill carriers but they cannot provide air deffence
Subs can kill other subs or kill enemy cities. That's all that matters.
PapaDragon wrote:
Derzkii has plenty of anti-air missiles, they even opted for smalled 75mm gun so they could squeeze 4 extra Redut anti-air missiles.
The-thing-next-door wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
Derzkii has plenty of anti-air missiles, they even opted for smalled 75mm gun so they could squeeze 4 extra Redut anti-air missiles.
Yea it certainly does just look at all of thoes S-500 launchers the ship also has an infinite supply of mid range SAMs and an array of CIWS systems that puts the Admiral Kuznetsov to shame.
I aslo heard that it is soon to recieve the new S-9000 faster than light intergalactic range anti all things that fly missile system.
Kimppis wrote:EDIT: Oh, sorry Eehnie, I forgot that the Lider class is already under construction, and Storm carriers are almost ready as well, so everything is fine. I apologize for being a russophobe...
General Directorate for Development: how the new Russian weapons find their way into the army
Dmitry Sergeev
09:48 25.02.2018
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The head of the Research Institute Admiral Nikolay Maximov emphasizes that in the life cycle of any ship it is necessary to provide for its modernization potential.
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As for the larger-scale prospective combat vehicles of the fleet, Admiral Maksimov speaks of strategic missile submarine cruisers with new ballistic missiles, and the construction of a new aircraft-carrying complex.
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The project of such a ship has already been developed, it is known that the flight deck here will be twice as large as the TAKR "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov", and in addition, the starting system will consist of a springboard and a booster. By the way, the new aircraft carrier will be able to receive long-range radar surveillance aircraft, the basis of the combat composition of the ship's air group can be made up of multi-purpose multi-role fighters based on the T-50, but "adapted" for the deck.
Another novelty for the Navy, developed under the auspices of the General Directorate of Armaments, is a new assault ship, a kind of our response to Mistral. This ship of Russian design will be able to land and landing, and receive helicopters, and provide fire support. As for improving the combat capabilities of the submarine fleet, now, for example, work is under way to create promising means of navigation and management. "Today, the most accurate characteristics are issued by fiber optic gyroscopes, " said Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov. - And all this is nothing more than a phased development of various kinds of technologies. At each stage, accuracy is improved. If earlier it was dozens of angular minutes, today it's hundreds, and in the future thousands. "
Russia's navy can look forward to new aircraft carriers
technology
18:02 25.02.2018 (updated 19:19 25.02.2018) To the short link
The Russian naval forces can wait tensely for a new aircraft carrier. A corresponding project has now been prepared, reported on Sunday, the TV channel "Zvezda".
According to preliminary calculations, the length of the new ship should be 330 meters, the width - 40 meters. The ship is to carry up to 90 aircraft and helicopters and can record radar early warning aircraft.
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Crew des russischen Atomkreuzers Pjotr Welikij (Archivbild)Sputnik / Grigory Syssoew
The launching system of the new aircraft carrier will consist of a so-called ski jump, a kind of "ski jump", and a device for acceleration. The departure deck of the ship should be twice as large as that of Admiral Kuznetsov , who is currently the only aircraft carrier in the service of the Russian Seekriegsflotte.
With the development of the new ship, the Russian Krylov Research Center in St. Petersburg should deal. Construction is scheduled to commence under the new state-of-the-art upgrade program for the period 2018-2025.
Dimensions
Beam: 40 meter (131 foot)
Draft: 11 meter (36.1 foot)
Length: 330 meter (1,083 foot)
...The last issue of the program "Military Acceptance" of the TRC "Zvezda" dedicated to the Main Armament Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation flashed the model of a prospective aircraft carrier for the Russian Navy ( reference 1 - 00:48), shot in the office of the Deputy Minister of Defense Y. Borisov, , as is known, questions of the military-technical policy and military-technical support of the Armed Forces....
1. Screenshot from the program "Military Acceptance", issue "Russian weapons of the future., Made under the control of the GUV" dated 25.02.2018
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The Ministry of Defense approved the volume of the new state armament program
As assumed by Kommersant, the approved volume of the new state armament program (SPG) for 2018-2027 is 19 trillion rubles. The Defense Ministry considers this amount sufficient. "The LG is balanced, planned. The most important thing is that in the current SPG, 19 trillion is the supply of arms and military equipment and 1 trillion for the synchronization system, "Tass quoted Tatyana Shevtsova, Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia.
He noted that the previous LGP did not include the costs of synchronization. "We need a storage system, a system of basing and equipping the troops, this was not taken into account in the previous LG," Ms. Shevtsova said.
Another deputy defense minister - Yuri Borisov - said that the main priority of the new state arms program will be the development of nuclear deterrence systems. "The first priority, of course, is given to the development of nuclear deterrence systems, as the main type of armed forces, which guarantees the security of our country in any kind of conflicts," he said. Also, according to him, special attention will be paid to high-precision weapons in the LG, because "this is a modern trend in the development of all military conflicts." "If we are talking about high-precision weapons, then this is certainly a system of information support, because without information high-precision weapons do not work," added Mr. Borisov. In addition, he spoke about developments in the direction of hypersonic technology, also noting that "nothing special" in the possible appearance of such weapons in the next decade.
Yuri Borisov mentioned the development of aircraft carriers in the context of the LG. "Speaking specifically about aircraft-carrying cruisers, this is the end of the program, we plan to develop and lay down modern aircraft carriers," he said. This summer, the deputy commander-in-chief of the navy, Viktor Bursuk, said that Russia provided for the design and construction of helicopter carriers. According to him, until 2025 it is planned to put into operation two such ships.
The draft LG will be submitted to Russian President Vladimir Putin no later than December 15. "Today it is at the final stage of elaboration, in the government already. I think that no later than December 15 it will be submitted to the administration. I can not say the exact date when the president will approve it, "Yuri Borisov said.
The marine rapid-response force is intended to be capable of conducting missions in the maritime, aerial and land domains in any part of the world. For this, new aircraft carriers will be the core of its capability, ... Work to design a new class of Russian aircraft carrier is to be completed before 2020, with construction and entry into service planned for the second phase of the doctrine (2021-2030).
Unlike the heavy aircraft cruisers of the previous generation of Russian aircraft carriers, the new carrier design will be multirole. It is envisaged to be equipped with manned and unmanned combat systems operating in the air, at sea, underwater and possibly in space. The carrier's air groups will include radar surveillance and C2 aircraft, alongside reconnaissance and strike UAVs.
it is envisaged that during this final phase the following will be undertaken: ... ongoing series production of the new aircraft carrier class
Prospective Russian aircraft carrier estimated at 6.2 billion dollars
07/04/2015 | 15:41 |
At the International Maritime Defense Show (IMDS-2015) in St. Petersburg, a high-ranking source in the defense-industrial complex named the cost of creating an aircraft carrier for the Storm project.
Construction of a ship with a displacement of up to 100 thousand tons, capable of carrying up to 80-90 aircraft, will cost 350 billion Russian rubles, or about 6.2 billion dollars. The source stressed that this will not be a one-time payment, but investments in the program for a period of 10 years.
In addition, the source noted that this is a "theoretical price", since it is only possible to estimate the cost of an aircraft carrier after the development of the project and the creation of cooperation of enterprises that will build it. But in any case it will be at least a couple of hundred billion Russian rubles. A significant part of the cost of the new ship, according to the source, will be electromagnetic catapults.
In a similar amount estimated the creation of the aircraft carrier and CEO of the Nevsky PCB Sergei Vlasov. According to him, a heavy aircraft carrier would cost the budget 200-280 billion Russian rubles.
For comparison: the most powerful modern aircraft carrier - American-class "Nimitz" - costs about $ 4.5 billion, and the aircraft carriers of the Gerald R. Ford type, which are being replaced by him, are $ 10.5 billion.
dino00 wrote:Is the Mig 41 going forward or didnt make SAP 2018-2027?
eehnie wrote:And a new a little older but with a very interestin part about aircraft carriers in the State Armament Program 2018-2027:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=es&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3475950&xid=17259,15700002,15700021,15700105,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhW5fyiLpAVwfnu1eBTnkiYjWjRJA
The Ministry of Defense approved the volume of the new state armament program
As assumed by Kommersant, the approved volume of the new state armament program (SPG) for 2018-2027 is 19 trillion rubles. The Defense Ministry considers this amount sufficient. "The LG is balanced, planned. The most important thing is that in the current SPG, 19 trillion is the supply of arms and military equipment and 1 trillion for the synchronization system, "Tass quoted Tatyana Shevtsova, Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia.
He noted that the previous LGP did not include the costs of synchronization. "We need a storage system, a system of basing and equipping the troops, this was not taken into account in the previous LG," Ms. Shevtsova said.
Another deputy defense minister - Yuri Borisov - said that the main priority of the new state arms program will be the development of nuclear deterrence systems. "The first priority, of course, is given to the development of nuclear deterrence systems, as the main type of armed forces, which guarantees the security of our country in any kind of conflicts," he said. Also, according to him, special attention will be paid to high-precision weapons in the LG, because "this is a modern trend in the development of all military conflicts." "If we are talking about high-precision weapons, then this is certainly a system of information support, because without information high-precision weapons do not work," added Mr. Borisov. In addition, he spoke about developments in the direction of hypersonic technology, also noting that "nothing special" in the possible appearance of such weapons in the next decade.
Yuri Borisov mentioned the development of aircraft carriers in the context of the LG. "Speaking specifically about aircraft-carrying cruisers, this is the end of the program, we plan to develop and lay down modern aircraft carriers," he said. This summer, the deputy commander-in-chief of the navy, Viktor Bursuk, said that Russia provided for the design and construction of helicopter carriers. According to him, until 2025 it is planned to put into operation two such ships.
The draft LG will be submitted to Russian President Vladimir Putin no later than December 15. "Today it is at the final stage of elaboration, in the government already. I think that no later than December 15 it will be submitted to the administration. I can not say the exact date when the president will approve it, "Yuri Borisov said.
And this is exactly the same said in the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015:
https://www.russiadefence.net/t7032p50-state-armament-program-2018-2027#211908
The marine rapid-response force is intended to be capable of conducting missions in the maritime, aerial and land domains in any part of the world. For this, new aircraft carriers will be the core of its capability, ... Work to design a new class of Russian aircraft carrier is to be completed before 2020, with construction and entry into service planned for the second phase of the doctrine (2021-2030).
Unlike the heavy aircraft cruisers of the previous generation of Russian aircraft carriers, the new carrier design will be multirole. It is envisaged to be equipped with manned and unmanned combat systems operating in the air, at sea, underwater and possibly in space. The carrier's air groups will include radar surveillance and C2 aircraft, alongside reconnaissance and strike UAVs.
it is envisaged that during this final phase the following will be undertaken: ... ongoing series production of the new aircraft carrier class
In the refered to the costs of production:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftodaysmilitary.ru%2F2015%2F07%2F04%2Fperspektivnyj-rossijskij-avianosets-otsenili-v-6-2-milliarda-dollarov%2F
Prospective Russian aircraft carrier estimated at 6.2 billion dollars
07/04/2015 | 15:41 |
At the International Maritime Defense Show (IMDS-2015) in St. Petersburg, a high-ranking source in the defense-industrial complex named the cost of creating an aircraft carrier for the Storm project.
Construction of a ship with a displacement of up to 100 thousand tons, capable of carrying up to 80-90 aircraft, will cost 350 billion Russian rubles, or about 6.2 billion dollars. The source stressed that this will not be a one-time payment, but investments in the program for a period of 10 years.
In addition, the source noted that this is a "theoretical price", since it is only possible to estimate the cost of an aircraft carrier after the development of the project and the creation of cooperation of enterprises that will build it. But in any case it will be at least a couple of hundred billion Russian rubles. A significant part of the cost of the new ship, according to the source, will be electromagnetic catapults.
In a similar amount estimated the creation of the aircraft carrier and CEO of the Nevsky PCB Sergei Vlasov. According to him, a heavy aircraft carrier would cost the budget 200-280 billion Russian rubles.
For comparison: the most powerful modern aircraft carrier - American-class "Nimitz" - costs about $ 4.5 billion, and the aircraft carriers of the Gerald R. Ford type, which are being replaced by him, are $ 10.5 billion.
For the people that want to pay attention to the reality. All the exposed in these two messages means:
1.- Project 23000E: Variant to export. Preliminary Design completed by 2015.
2.- Project 23000: Variant for Russia. Preliminary Design completed by 2018.
2.1.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 has been completed.
2.2.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 is ready for examination of the Ministry of Defense.
2.3.- Pending approval of the Preliminary Design of the Project 23000 by the Ministry of Defense.
2.4.- The Project 23000 is meeting the schedule defined in the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015. Maybe ahead of the schedule.
2.5.- The gourvernment of Russia plans to lay down some unit of the Project 23000 aircraft carrier under the State Armament Program 2018-2027.
Compared to other projects:
1.- The Preliminary Design of the Project 23560 Lider was approved by the Russian Ministry of Defense in the spring of 2017. The Project 23560 Lider is more advanced than the Project 23000 Shtorm.
2.- According to the public news about the Russian Marine Doctrine of 2015, a project of aircraft carrier must be ready by 2020. There is not other alternative project publicly known at this point.
3.- The Preliminary Design of the Project ??? Kalina was completed by the summer of 2017. The Project 23000 Shtorm and the Project ??? Kalina are more or less in the same stage of development at this point.
4.- There are not news about a Preliminary Design completed for the Project ????? Priboi, the Project ????? Lavina or the Project ?????? Kashalot of Large Amphibious Ships (helicopter carriers). The Project 23000 Shtorm is more advanced than the Project ????? Priboi, the Project ????? Lavina and the Project ????? Kashalot. It is logical taking into account that the works on the Project 23000 started around 2011 and the works on the Large Amphibious Ships started after the option of the Mistral ships failed, in 2014-2015.
5.- There are not news about a Preliminary Design completed for the Project ??? Husky or the Project ??? Submarine Interceptor.
Estimations of the costs of production:
1.- The estimations of the cost of production of a unit of the Project 23000E (export variant) aircraft carrier are under a 2% of the total funds approved for the State Armament Program 2018-2027.
dino00 wrote:Is the Mig 41 going forward or didnt make SAP 2018-2027?
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