U.E.C.- Russian aircraft engines

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/127878/

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ODK-Saturn open new production center, which is the largest in Russia to produce turbine blades with the latest technology for up to 2000 aviation, ship and industrial engines. Russia now not only finnish their need for Motor-Sich in Ukraine, but is also one generation ahead in technology for turbine blades.

This is actually death end for Motor-Sich. no one will need them anymore. US and EU have their own producers like GE, P&W, RR and Snecma, Russia now have their own full production and US doesn't allow Ukraine to sell Motor-Sich to China.

Blocking your own best and main customer from buying your products... that is pretty much suicide isn't it?

Neither website says much about it...

http://eng.irkut.com/products/74/

https://red-aircraft.com/news/continental-aerospace-technologies-announces-a-new-drop-in-engine-replacement-for-the-cessna-172/

UEC-Klimov manufactured more than 230 VK-2500/TV3-117 helicopter engines in 2019

According to JSC “United Engine Corporation”, according to the results of 2019, the revenue of JSC “UEC-Klimov” (part of the United Engine Corporation of the State Corporation Rostec) amounted to 21.7 billion rubles. More than 230 VK-2500 / TV3-117 engines were produced, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines was tripled.

The revenue of JSC UEC-Klimov in 2019 amounted to 21.716 billion rubles. This is almost 4 billion more than last year. The revenue was mainly generated due to the serial production of VK-2500 / TV3-117 and after-sales service of gas turbine engines. All major obligations under the state defense order in 2019 were fully implemented.

Relative to 2018, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines [from one to three? - bmpd]. Recall that last year, the TV7-117ST engines provided the first successful flight of the new domestic military transport aircraft Il-112V (in March 2019).

The increase in output for the benefit of the civilian sector continued. In 2019, the share of civilian engines in the total supply amounted to 48%.

Over 4 billion rubles were invested in research and development. Experimental and technological work was carried out in the framework of the state program of the Russian Federation (Development of the aviation industry for 2013-2025) in conjunction with FSUE VIAM. Designed and manufactured parts and assembly units (DSE) of engines from promising foundry, wrought alloys and metal powder compositions, ceramic and composite materials. The modes of thermal and mechanical processing of manufactured DSEs were tested, heat-resistant coatings and high-temperature seals based on metal fibers were tested.

In 2019, UEC-Klimov JSC also continued the program of modernization of production facilities, primarily the reconstruction of test benches. At the end of the year, new local treatment facilities were put into operation.

International cooperation has developed in the field of engine maintenance and product sales. Last year, more than 30 countries showed interest in working together.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3992553.html

George1 wrote:

UEC-Klimov manufactured more than 230 VK-2500/TV3-117 helicopter engines in 2019

According to JSC “United Engine Corporation”, according to the results of 2019, the revenue of JSC “UEC-Klimov” (part of the United Engine Corporation of the State Corporation Rostec) amounted to 21.7 billion rubles. More than 230 VK-2500 / TV3-117 engines were produced, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines was tripled.

The revenue of JSC UEC-Klimov in 2019 amounted to 21.716 billion rubles. This is almost 4 billion more than last year. The revenue was mainly generated due to the serial production of VK-2500 / TV3-117 and after-sales service of gas turbine engines. All major obligations under the state defense order in 2019 were fully implemented.

Relative to 2018, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines [from one to three? - bmpd]. Recall that last year, the TV7-117ST engines provided the first successful flight of the new domestic military transport aircraft Il-112V (in March 2019).

The increase in output for the benefit of the civilian sector continued. In 2019, the share of civilian engines in the total supply amounted to 48%.

 Over 4 billion rubles were invested in research and development. Experimental and technological work was carried out in the framework of the state program of the Russian Federation (Development of the aviation industry for 2013-2025) in conjunction with FSUE VIAM. Designed and manufactured parts and assembly units (DSE) of engines from promising foundry, wrought alloys and metal powder compositions, ceramic and composite materials. The modes of thermal and mechanical processing of manufactured DSEs were tested, heat-resistant coatings and high-temperature seals based on metal fibers were tested.

In 2019, UEC-Klimov JSC also continued the program of modernization of production facilities, primarily the reconstruction of test benches. At the end of the year, new local treatment facilities were put into operation.

 International cooperation has developed in the field of engine maintenance and product sales. Last year, more than 30 countries showed interest in working together.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3992553.html

And so Russian troubles with the helicopter engines are over

Viktor wrote:

George1 wrote:

UEC-Klimov manufactured more than 230 VK-2500/TV3-117 helicopter engines in 2019

According to JSC “United Engine Corporation”, according to the results of 2019, the revenue of JSC “UEC-Klimov” (part of the United Engine Corporation of the State Corporation Rostec) amounted to 21.7 billion rubles. More than 230 VK-2500 / TV3-117 engines were produced, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines was tripled.

The revenue of JSC UEC-Klimov in 2019 amounted to 21.716 billion rubles. This is almost 4 billion more than last year. The revenue was mainly generated due to the serial production of VK-2500 / TV3-117 and after-sales service of gas turbine engines. All major obligations under the state defense order in 2019 were fully implemented.

Relative to 2018, the number of manufactured TV7-117 engines [from one to three? - bmpd]. Recall that last year, the TV7-117ST engines provided the first successful flight of the new domestic military transport aircraft Il-112V (in March 2019).

The increase in output for the benefit of the civilian sector continued. In 2019, the share of civilian engines in the total supply amounted to 48%.

 Over 4 billion rubles were invested in research and development. Experimental and technological work was carried out in the framework of the state program of the Russian Federation (Development of the aviation industry for 2013-2025) in conjunction with FSUE VIAM. Designed and manufactured parts and assembly units (DSE) of engines from promising foundry, wrought alloys and metal powder compositions, ceramic and composite materials. The modes of thermal and mechanical processing of manufactured DSEs were tested, heat-resistant coatings and high-temperature seals based on metal fibers were tested.

In 2019, UEC-Klimov JSC also continued the program of modernization of production facilities, primarily the reconstruction of test benches. At the end of the year, new local treatment facilities were put into operation.

 International cooperation has developed in the field of engine maintenance and product sales. Last year, more than 30 countries showed interest in working together.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3992553.html

And so Russian troubles with the helicopter engines are over

Things are certainly proceeding the right way, but the troubles are not entirely over yet.

230 helicopter engines per year means that they can build 115 brand new Mi and Ka series helicopters per year. Considering that the helicopter industry can deliver up to 300 such helicopters per year, that means they are not building at capacity and/or are still buying some engines from Ukraine's Motor Sich.
In addition, some engines are needed to replace existing ones on aging helicopters. Still more are required to service the Mi and Ka fleets of foreign customers.
Also, those same types of engines are to power the upcoming Il-112V and Il-114 planes.
So, Russia needs to produce at least double the above amount of engines to be completely self-sufficient.
But, I am glad that the annual production of these engines is increasing. Perhaps in a year or two they will achieve this particular "import substitution" objective.

TheArmenian wrote:
Things are certainly proceeding the right way, but the troubles are not entirely over yet.

230 helicopter engines per year means that they can build 115 brand new Mi and Ka series helicopters per year. Considering that the helicopter industry can deliver up to 300 such helicopters per year, that means they are not building at capacity and/or are still buying some engines from Ukraine's Motor Sich.
In addition, some engines are needed to replace existing ones on aging helicopters. Still more are required to service the Mi and Ka fleets of foreign customers.
Also, those same types of engines are to power the upcoming  Il-112V and Il-114 planes.
So, Russia needs to produce at least double the above amount of engines to be completely self-sufficient.
But, I am glad that the annual production of these engines is increasing. Perhaps in a year or two they will achieve this particular "import substitution" objective.

I agree still it makes far simpler work to put into operation one more production line or as many as there are needed than to reach a point where you have one

Viktor wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:
Things are certainly proceeding the right way, but the troubles are not entirely over yet.

230 helicopter engines per year means that they can build 115 brand new Mi and Ka series helicopters per year. Considering that the helicopter industry can deliver up to 300 such helicopters per year, that means they are not building at capacity and/or are still buying some engines from Ukraine's Motor Sich.
In addition, some engines are needed to replace existing ones on aging helicopters. Still more are required to service the Mi and Ka fleets of foreign customers.
Also, those same types of engines are to power the upcoming  Il-112V and Il-114 planes.
So, Russia needs to produce at least double the above amount of engines to be completely self-sufficient.
But, I am glad that the annual production of these engines is increasing. Perhaps in a year or two they will achieve this particular "import substitution" objective.

I agree still it makes far simpler work to put into operation one more production line or as many as there are needed than to reach a point where you have one

Aircraft engines building needs trained skilled specialists. It also needs special materials. It is not a simple production line.

william.boutros wrote:

Viktor wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:
Things are certainly proceeding the right way, but the troubles are not entirely over yet.

230 helicopter engines per year means that they can build 115 brand new Mi and Ka series helicopters per year. Considering that the helicopter industry can deliver up to 300 such helicopters per year, that means they are not building at capacity and/or are still buying some engines from Ukraine's Motor Sich.
In addition, some engines are needed to replace existing ones on aging helicopters. Still more are required to service the Mi and Ka fleets of foreign customers.
Also, those same types of engines are to power the upcoming  Il-112V and Il-114 planes.
So, Russia needs to produce at least double the above amount of engines to be completely self-sufficient.
But, I am glad that the annual production of these engines is increasing. Perhaps in a year or two they will achieve this particular "import substitution" objective.

I agree still it makes far simpler work to put into operation one more production line or as many as there are needed than to reach a point where you have one

Aircraft engines building needs trained skilled specialists. It also needs special materials. It is not a simple production line.

It is once the initial production line starts

that means they are not building at capacity and/or are still buying some engines from Ukraine's Motor Sich.

The orcs refused to hand over ship engines that had been paid for, I doubt they would sell helicopter engines...

They clearly can make the appropriate engines and are making them in what equates to mass production... they just need to ramp production up and start production on a range of newer smaller engines too.

If you read the sdelanounas link it's easier to understand. Vk-2500 was made in over 230 units. They also drastically increased production of TV7-117 by 3 times that of 2018. Don't know full number.

The issue may be due to strong demand and current facility will need to increase workers and tooling for increased demand.

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/131845/

New center for the production of helicopter engine assemblies based on UEC-UMPO

On July 17, 2020, PJSC "United Engine Corporation" (UEC) of Rostec State Corporation opened a new center for the production of helicopter engine assemblies based on PJSC "UEC-UMPO" in Ufa, its design capacity is up to 350 engine sets per year. The center, which includes four production sites, is equipped with hundreds of pieces of modern digital equipment. This is the first specialized production of such a scale in Russia; 8.7 billion rubles have been invested in its creation.

The new industrial site is focused on the production of units for serial and advanced helicopter engines in the power class up to 5 thousand hp. - VK-2500, TV3-117, VK-650V, VK-1600V for civil and combat helicopters, including machines of the world's most massive series Mi-8/17, attack Mi-28 and Ka-52, as well as multi-purpose Ka -226T and Ka-62.

In the first section, free turbines, nozzle devices of the third stage and nozzle devices of the compressor turbine of the VK-2500 engine are manufactured and assembled. The second section is focused on the manufacture of parts, assembly units and units of combustion chambers. The third is specialized in medium and small parts made of steel and titanium alloys. The fourth will produce gearboxes made of aluminum and magnesium alloys.

“This is a modern high-tech center, which was created as part of the import substitution program and the expansion of serial production of helicopter engines in Russia. The latest equipment has been installed here, modern production technologies have been introduced, which reduce labor costs by 25% and increase labor productivity. Investments in the project amounted to 8.7 billion rubles, ”said Vladimir Artyakov, First Deputy General Director of Rostec State Corporation.

The center is equipped with numerically controlled machines, high-tech machining centers and unique equipment for welding and soldering.

There are robotic systems for welding parts and assemblies in a controlled atmosphere, a unique control and testing facility for determining the flow characteristics of engines, created by UEC-UMPO specialists, and other machines.

The center also introduced digital technologies for electronic document management, warehouse automation, equipment monitoring.

“310 units of the latest equipment have been installed at the new production site. Already next year we plan to reach the design capacity - up to 350 engine kits per year for the hot section of VK-2500 and TV3-117 helicopter engines will be produced here. The Center also has the necessary capacities to participate in international cooperation projects - both in the development of engines and in the joint manufacture of components, ”said Alexander Artyukhov, Director General of UEC.

Now the center employs 350 people, in the future the staff will be doubled. Recruitment and training of employees is currently underway. For their preparation, on the basis of the UEC-UMPO, the Center for Professional Education of the Aviation Cluster of Rostec State Corporation is being created - a separate building with an area of ​​14.5 thousand square meters. m, which will house 150 units of training equipment. It is planned to train about 2 thousand people here annually.

Another press release from Rostec Group, issued on the same day, says:

Another key direction in the current activities of UEC-UMPO is the production of parts for VK-2500 helicopter engines, the final assembly of which is carried out by their developer, UEC-Klimov. The Ufa enterprise is responsible for the production of about 32% of components - more than 900 parts and assembly units for VK-2500 and VK-2500P (PS). To implement the program in UEC-UMPO in 2020, four modern production and technological centers were commissioned.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4089620.html

So what I am taking from that is that modern helicopter engines are complex and contain bits not just produced everywhere, and that therefore in the past bits of the engines were probably already made in Russia, but a lot of the hot bits made of exotic materials like Titanium were made at Motor Sich and that the new complex this article is talking about is a completely new production complex that makes the bits that Motor Sich was making (though a generation better now) and that presumably other factories and complexes in Russia are also making parts and sections and engines so the 300 engines they are talking about is in addition to the engines Klimov is making for example in its factories...

GarryB wrote:So what I am taking from that is that modern helicopter engines are complex and contain bits not just produced everywhere, and that therefore in the past bits of the engines were probably already made in Russia, but a lot of the hot bits made of exotic materials like Titanium were made at Motor Sich and that the new complex this article is talking about is a completely new production  complex that makes the bits that Motor Sich was making (though a generation better now) and that presumably other factories and complexes in Russia are also making parts and sections and engines so the 300 engines they are talking about is in addition to the engines Klimov is making for example in its factories...

None of the high level tech was totally localized outside Russia. Russia was and is not starting from scratch at the fundamental level.
They have to spin up applied work which in itself is difficult. But definitely Russia is not starting from zero with helicopter engines
and Ukraine is not some catastrophic loss. If there is a problem, it is that Russia took so long to deal with this "offshoring" issue and
let skilled engineers and scientists retire before making good use of them. But thankfully, there are still many people around who
enabled continuity with the pre 1991 skills and knowledge and a new generation of skilled workers is in place. This can be seen in
every sector. Without this, Russia would have been in much worse shape.

UEC is working on the creation of a universal engine for Su aircraft

UFA, July 21. / TASS /. Specialists of the UEC - Ufa Engine-Building Production Association (part of the United Engine Corporation (UEC) of the Rostec State Corporation) are working on creating a universal engine for fighters based on the engine for the Su-35 aircraft. The managing director of the UEC-UMPO Yevgeny Semivelichenko announced this to reporters.

“Today we are considering the possibility of creating a kind of universal engine using AL-41F-1C units (installed on Su-35 aircraft - TASS note), as well as units of other previous engines. This is a kind of universal engine that can be installed on Su-27 , Su-30 and Su-35. There is such an order from the Ministry of Defense, we are doing this work, "he said.

https://tass.ru/ekonomika/9011021

Makes total sense too. It will greatly reduce prices in long run since engines are a huge cost, make maintenance cheaper and easier, while giving all existing and future jets a tried and tested modern jet engine. This could greatly entice other nations who operate these jets as well to upgrade. Now do same with radar.

It makes no sense actually. Su-35 has them, upgrade for su-30 plans to use the su-35 engine and the upgraded su-27 also use them if I'm not wrong even if they have low numbers of SM2 and SM3 in service (but they won't last as long as the 30 and 35 anyway).

Same situation for the radar. Irbis is already planned to be used on all of them.

What would make sense is to design su-57's engine so that they can be used on su-27 series so that when any of them need new engines they can put the newest one on them and slowly replace all of them.

RUSSIA is developing a single engine for Sukhoi fighters
7/20/2020

Experts from the A. Lyulka Design Bureau of the Ufa Engine-Building Production Association ("UEC-UMPO") are developing a universal engine for several types of fighters. This was announced by the managing director of the enterprise Yevgeny Semivelichenko.

According to him, the OKB is developing a single engine that can be installed on fighters without modifying the airframe. We are talking about the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35 fighters. The order for the development of a unified engine came from the Ministry of Defense; it is planned that the introduction of a single propulsion system will reduce the costs of the military department. At the same time, Semivelichenko did not give any details on the work carried out and the approximate characteristics of the new engine.
“Today we are considering the possibility of creating a kind of universal engine using AL-41F-1C units, as well as units of other previous engines. This is a kind of universal engine that can be installed on the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-35. There is such an order from the Ministry of Defense, we are carrying out this work” - he said.

The AL-41F-1S aircraft engine (product 117S) is a two-shaft by-pass turbojet engine of modular design with a controlled thrust vector. The engine uses a new low pressure compressor with increased air consumption and efficiency, as well as a new turbine with a more efficient blade cooling system. Installed on Su-35S fighters. At present, OKB "Sukhoi" is conducting R&D work on the creation of an upgraded version of the Su-30 - Su-30SMD, which will also receive the AL-41F-1S engine.

https://en.topwar.ru/173313-v-rossii-vedetsja-razrabotka-edinogo-dvigatelja-dlja-istrebitelej-kompanii-suhoj.html

They are getting into the same position Tupolev got in to where the Tu-22M3 and the Tu-160 both used 25 ton thrust jet engines but the engines themselves were different and not compatible... so with 100 Tu-22M3s with 200 NK-25s and with 15 Tu-160s with 60 NK-31s they had to deal with two different types of engines with different parts and different designs and different manuals, when if you actually looked at the specs they could be the same engine with similar dry weight, similar thrust, similar fuel consumption similar physical size.

Part of the Tu-22M3M upgrade is supposed to be adapting them to the NK-31, so that instead of having to upgrade both the NK-25 and the NK-31 they can just upgrade one type, and for the moment get the benefit of 60 upgraded Backfires and 18 odd Blackjacks getting the benefit of the work... so instead of upgrade work initially helping 60 engines on 15 aircraft, it can also help 60 Backfires which means another 120 engines built and in the future if they upgrade more Backfires that will also be good as they are definitely making more Blackjacks which will also need engines too.

In terms of the Flankers it seems silly they all have different engines, though I would make an upgraded unified engine for all the non stealthy Flankers and keep the new engines for the Su-57...

Reading that article above they seem to be making a new engine based on the one used in the Su-35 for the other Flanker types, which makes sense to me.

Contrary to popular believe the most powerful engine isn't always the best solution... having engines with too much power effects the performance in other areas and putting a much more powerful engine on a plane might not increase flight speed by that much, but will increase fuel consumption and will generally shorten flight range...

Sometimes however it can transform an aircraft... the F-14D was a significantly better aircraft than the A model Tomcat... being able to take off in dry thrust safely is a very significant thing.

It would be interesting if they made this new engine modular so it could fit a range of airframes including Iranian F-14s... imagine the performance of an F-14 with two 16-18 ton thrust turbofan engines.... that were relatively fuel efficient... A sukhoi Tomcat 2020 upgrade with AESA radar, R-37M 300km range AAMs, 18 tons thrust engines... but with just Iran as the only user it would not be cost effective... they would be better off offering Su-35s with those things instead.

In terms of operational costs this should be good for the Russian AF and will reduce costs and increase commonality. I mean the ground crew just use manuals for maintenence so I doubt they care in regard to having to deal with different engines, but in terms of costs and spare parts it makes sense...