Russian Navy: Status & News #4

The new flotilla of Russia: The storm from the Caspian Sea is approaching the Sea of ​​Azov

..we can assume that Moscow has already decided to recreate in this ever more restless theater of military operations, if not the Azov flotilla, then at least a separate brigade of naval battle boats of the Russian Navy.
Commentators have already suggested that the task of former Caspian people will be mainly protection and defense of the Crimean bridge. However, in my opinion, it is unlikely. It's just not necessary. Because the safety of the bridge from the sea direction has long been entrusted to Rosgvardia. And there they reacted with all responsibility to the new business. Therefore, the assistance from the Russian Navy is not particularly needed. ..
two years ago [DNR] militiamen unsuccessfully tried to reach an agreement with Moscow on the sharp increase in their fleet. They requested three border guards "Mongoose" (project 12150) and one "Sable" (12200). But something went wrong at the talks and the flotilla of the defenders of Donbass still resembles the achievements of militant "self-made" ones.
It is not excluded that Russia, for foreign policy reasons, decided not to pass patrol boats to the militia, but to recreate its own naval formation of the Navy on the Azov Sea. No one can forbid this to us. There is a war on these banks. What other explanations are needed?
Artillery boats from the Caspian Sea are suitable for this purpose as well as possible. Those that relate to Project 1204 are intended for patrolling on rivers and lakes, the destruction of river vessels and enemy combat boats, the support of ground troops by artillery and machine-gun fire, the transport of personnel with weapons during ferries and operations in river basins, as well as for actions in shallow coastal areas of the seas.
The main caliber is a 76 mm D-56TS gun, as well as a 7.62 mm SGMT machine gun and a BM-14-17 launcher for 34 unguided missiles. In addition, each of our boats is capable of taking up to 4 sea mines of IGMD aboard. This is more than enough to resist the Ukrainian armored vehicles "Gyurza-M" and "Centaur", if they really will soon be in the Sea of ​​Azov. Because the most terrible thing that the same "Gyurza-M" has is the 30-mm automatic gun 2A42 and 14.5-mm machine-gun KPVT.
I suspect that only the unimportant technical condition did not allow the same path to be taken in the 327th Guards Division AK-223 and AK-209. But they will fix them - in the same way, most likely, they will also move. http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/201260/?cba=1

Classic Tit-for Tat! If the Eurasian Canal existed already, those boats could get there sooner & for le$$ in fuel.

Small missile ships "Grad Sviyazhsk" and "Great Ustyug" (project 21631 "Buyan-M") that are part of the Caspian Flotilla make a passage along the inland waterway, through the channel "Volga-Don" to the water of the Azov Sea. These ships are known for the fact that October 7, and then November 20, 2015 struck a cruise missile "Caliber" on targets in Syrian territory. Apparently, they are going to strengthen the Black Sea fleet, which includes only one ship of the above project. This is an Vyshniy Volochek, which joined the Black Sea Fleet's combat staff this year. ..
Small rocket ships "Grad Sviyazhsk" and "Great Ustyug". Project 21631 ship Buyan-M has a displacement of 950 tons, is capable of developing a speed of 25 knots. It has a radar MR-231-2 "Liman", radar 5P-26M1 (MP-352M1) "Positive-M1", a complex of REB TK-25-2, BIUS "Sigma", a complex of cruise missiles "Caliber", 100 mm artillery installation A-190, air defense means - PU3M47-01 "Gibka" (for "Igla" missile system) and AK-630-2 "Duet". The number of crew is up to 36 people. http://nvo.ng.ru/wars/2018-06-07/100_181617flot.html?print=Y

If Ukraine starts a new large offencive, she'll lose her entire Azov & possibly Black Sea coast. Putin has warned that her "statehood is in danger". Stay tuned...

I would not expect direct clashes between Russia and Ukraine in the Azov sea, is more likely to see clashes between Ukraine and Novorussia.

Yantar has arrived back at Severomorsk.
11mths away, 50,000nm travelled, 6000km^2 seabed mapped (mainly searching for the sub).

Here is why: https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/524819-korabli-sredizemnoe-more-kalib

They didn't have enough boats in the BSF, so the Caspian Flotilla has to pick up the slack.
RF Baltic Fleet naval group on maneuvers in the N. Atlantic
http://tass.com/defense/1010025

Possibly to cover their own subs going to Med. Sea, as before:
https://www.warshipsifr.com/features/russians-conduct-asw-exercise-barents-sea/

Tsavo Lion wrote:Here is why: https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/524819-korabli-sredizemnoe-more-kalib

They didn't have enough boats in the BSF, so the Caspian Flotilla has to pick up the slack.
RF Baltic Fleet naval group on maneuvers in the N. Atlantic
http://tass.com/defense/1010025

Possibly to cover their own subs going to Med. Sea, as before:
https://www.warshipsifr.com/features/russians-conduct-asw-exercise-barents-sea/

And people here still rant about supercarriers when RuN have shortage of combat ships of all sizes...

Fortunately there are 5 more Buyans under construction ATM so this particular hole should be plugged at some point. And all those Karakurts coming up will not hurt.

PapaDragon wrote:

And people here still rant about supercarriers when RuN have shortage of combat ships of all sizes...  

Fortunately there are 5 more Buyans under construction ATM so this particular hole should be plugged at some point. And all those Karakurts coming up will not hurt.

What are you trying to say?

That Russia doesnt have enough ships? Wtf...

They have At least 70 ships built in 70s that can last for like....forever. Just slap new coat of paint...every 6 months.

Tsavo Lion wrote:They didn't have enough boats in the BSF, so the Caspian Flotilla has to pick up the slack.

This is false, in the fleet woriking in Syria always has been ships of all the fleets. There is a rotation for training purposes, like we see in the air and land forces moved to Syria. Only the amphibious ships have been working in higher degree.

PapaDragon wrote:And people here still rant about supercarriers when RuN have shortage of combat ships of all sizes...  

Obviously the knowledge of this other user is low enough, and the strength of his interests high enough, to accept the false argument and use it.

Militarov wrote:What are you trying to say?

That Russia doesnt have enough ships? Wtf...

They have At least 70 ships built in 70s that can last for like....forever. Just slap new coat of paint...every 6 months.

This is also false. Russia keeps only 4 combat ships built in the 1960s (2 Project 1171, 1 Project 61/01090, 1 Project 1204), and 23 combat ships built in the 1970s (3 of the captured to Ukraine).

..the fleet working in Syria always has been ships of all the fleets.

True, but this is the 1st time they sent Caspian boats to the Med. Sea! They could swap crews with BSF for their training in the Med. Sea. It costs a lot of $ & time to move ships between fleets; if they had enough of them in the BSF, there would be no need to do it. The USN, being the largest surface fleet, still had to transfer 2 DDGs to the 7th Fleet after 2 recent collisions; the exception upholds the rule.
Even if the RFN has all those 40+ y. old ships, they r not as good to be sent far outside home waters & off Syria. That's also why Putin offered to return those similar & neglected Ukrainian ships now in Crimea; but Kiev refused as they know it's too expensive to even scrap, much less upgrade them. Those "tin cans" r only good as source of parts & for target practice; although some may/could be modified for coast guard/police duty.

Tsavo Lion wrote:

..the fleet working in Syria always has been ships of all the fleets.

True, but this is the 1st time they sent Caspian boats to the Med. Sea! They could swap crews with BSF for their training in the Med. Sea. It costs a lot of $ & time to move ships between fleets; if they had enough of them in the BSF, there would be no need to do it. The USN, being the largest surface fleet, still had to transfer 2 DDGs to the 7th Fleet after 2 recent collisions; the exception upholds the rule.
Even if the RFN has all those 40+ y. old ships, they r not as good to be sent far outside home waters & off Syria. That's also why Putin offered to return those similar & neglected Ukrainian ships now in Crimea; but Kiev refused as they know it's too expensive to even scrap, much less upgrade them. Those "tin cans" r only good as source of parts & for target practice; although some may/could be modified for coast guard/police duty.

Combat readiness, and experience in real operations are also something necessary for the Caspian fleet. In this case they train the deployment (exit and return from the Caspian sea) in adition to all the rest.

Now this situation is used in a silly form to critizize the Black Sea Fleet and Russia, saying that there are not enough ships.

But when the Russian aircraft carrier (Northern Fleet) was deployed to Syria we did not hear you and the rest of the people saying that Russia needs a second aircraft carrier that to allow the current to operate with more freedom. Would not need then the Black Sea Fleet an aircraft carrier?

Combat readiness, and experience in real operations are also something necessary for the Caspian fleet. In this case the train the deployment (exit and return from the Caspian sea) in addition to all the rest.

Well, they already shot CMs from the Caspian, & for training, could sail in & out of it w/o going to the Med. Sea. The crews could go on BSF or Baltic Fl. ships being deployed in the Med. Sea to train in realistic blue water ops.
So, I stand by my statement: w/o these 2, there r not enough boats in other fleets for that ongoing mission in the E. Med. Sea. I won't be surprised if they r kept in the BSF afterwards, "for more flexibility".
My criticism of BSF is friendly & w/o any malice. I have always said that if they absolutely going to have carriers, they need at least 3 in each oceanic fleet for 24/7 deployability. And I welcomed the idea to have TAKRs in the BSF- go read my posts! If u have sclerosis & can't remember, go see a doctor, so u don't forget what I post & waste my time!

Russian Caspian corvettes enter Mediterranean
http://www.janes.com/article/81229/russian-caspian-corvettes-enter-mediterranean

1 day they may even combine the BSF & the CF into 1 fleet.

George1 wrote:70 to 100 Russian warships and submarines permanently stationed in world's oceans.

Russian Northern Fleet    holds the largest drills in 10 years.



MOSCOW, June 15 (Xinhua) -- About 70 to 100 ships of the Russian Navy are permanently stationed in different regions of the world's oceans, Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Korolyov said Friday.

"A fleet can be real if its ships and submarines do not stand at the berths, but perform their functions at sea," Korolyov told the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda in an interview. Continuation *

Add-on: Two Steregushchiy-class corvettes entered the Northern Atlantic today.

Map in HD: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgATx6KUcAAzhfi.png
Source: https://www.warvspeace.org/naval-deployments/

* "Korolyov said the navy has been constantly overhauling its fleet. A new frigate "Admiral Makarov" will arrive in the port city Sevastopol and be part of the Black Sea Fleet in August or September.

He also mentioned that the anti-mine defense ship "Ivan Antonov" was recently launched in Russia's second-largest city St. Petersburg, and a series of six small missile ships "Shkval" for the Baltic Fleet.

In the near future, the navy will be replenished with ships of a fundamentally new class -- patrol ships of the 22160 type "Vasily Bykov," Korolyov said.

The present Russian Navy was formed in January 1992. It currently comprises the Northern Fleet, the Pacific Fleet, the Black Sea Fleet, the Baltic Fleet, the Caspian Flotilla, Naval Aviation and the Coastal Troops."

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-06/15/c_137256420.htm

I thought PM-82 was a repair ship (floating workshop) rather than a floating crane. Also it is terribly old, proper soviet-era, polish-made junk of a ship. It lost its engines in the Aegean once, during a huge storm and HN/HAF had to step in and collect all of its sailor using helicopters.

[/quote] I thought PM-82 was a repair ship (floating workshop) rather than a floating crane. Also it is terribly old, proper soviet-era, polish-made junk of a ship. It lost its engines in the Aegean once, during a huge storm and HN/HAF had to step in and collect all of its sailor using helicopters.[/quote]

PM's are floating workshop while a floating crane would be a PK so...

Tsavo Lion wrote:Russian Caspian corvettes enter Mediterranean
http://www.janes.com/article/81229/russian-caspian-corvettes-enter-mediterranean

1 day they may even combine the BSF & the CF into 1 fleet.

They need to finish those 6 new Buyans ASAP and replenish Caspian fleet pronto.

Caspian sea is by far best and safest location to park half a dozen Buyans. This hole plugging should never have happened in the first place.

KiloGolf wrote:

I thought PM-82 was a repair ship (floating workshop) rather than a floating crane. Also it is terribly old, proper soviet-era, polish-made junk of a ship. It lost its engines in the Aegean once, during a huge storm and HN/HAF had to step in and collect all of its sailor using helicopters.

Watch out what are you saying about floating junk around here. They will ask for bans.

PapaDragon wrote:
They need to finish those 6 new Buyans ASAP and replenish Caspian fleet pronto.
Caspian sea is by far best and safest location to park half a dozen Buyans. This hole plugging should never have happened in the first place.

Russia transfers five warships out of Caspian Sea
https://eurasianet.org/s/russia-transfers-five-warships-out-of-caspian-sea

It is what it is. They use what they can the best way possible. If need be, some ex-Ukrainian ships could be repaired & sent to the Caspian.

ever since the numerous delays that plagued the Russian navy, I have always viewed these reports with skepticism, I just wish they would fix the main problems that drags down the pace of their ship construction.

The Commander-in-Chief spoke about the prospects for the development of the Navy

The Navy (Navy) will build large ships, submarines of the fifth generation and increase the number of ships with precision weapons in the far sea zone. This was reported on Saturday, June 23, by the commander-in-chief of the Navy Vladimir Korolyov at the ceremony of graduation of naval officers of the military educational and scientific center in Kronstadt.

The prospect of the development of the Navy is tangible and real, he noted.

"This is a gradual transition to the construction of ships of large displacement. This is the design and construction of fifth-generation submarines that will not have equal in stealth and combat capabilities, "the spokesman for the Defense Ministry's spokesman Igor Dygalo quotes the commander in chief.

Korolev noted that the intensity of combat training in the sea is brought to a level that allows the fleet to possess impressive parameters of combat training.

Earlier on Saturday, it was reported that over the largest Russian cities deployed radar protection against drones.

https://defence.ru/article/glavkom-rasskazal-o-perspektivakh-razvitiya-vmf/

The construction of the destroyer "Leader" and the aircraft carrier may be delayed until 2035

The Minpromtorg also added that they are considering three scenarios for the development of the economy and the shipbuilding industry: conservative, innovative and target

MOSCOW, July 3. / TASS /. The construction of perspective surface ships of the far sea zone with a lack of financing may be postponed until 2035. This is stated in the Draft Strategy for the Development of the Shipbuilding Industry for the period up to 2035 by the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.

"With regard to military shipbuilding, it is expected to postpone the commencement of R & D [research and development work] and serial purchases for a number of prospective ships and vessels for the period after 2025 due to the substantial sequestration of budgetary allocations for defense, as well as the complete refusal to purchase a number of large surface ships (a prospective destroyer, a marine aircraft carrier complex, the IAC) until 2035, "the document says.

Based on the degree of favorable macroeconomic and industry indicators, the Ministry of Industry and Trade considers three scenarios for the development of the economy in general and the shipbuilding industry in particular: conservative, innovative and targeted.

"In the conservative scenario, the slowdown in economic growth has a negative impact on the development of the shipbuilding industry, because of the declining competitiveness of the economy, the persistence of tight fiscal policy, the transition to monetary policy with a positive real key interest rate of 2-3%, and a decline in oil prices to $ 40 per barrel in constant dollars in 2017, GDP growth will be 0.2% in 2018-2020, 1.8% in 2021-2025, followed by a slowdown to 1.0% in 2031-2035, "the draft document explains.

According to the innovative scenario, in the military shipbuilding sector, it is expected that in 2020-2022 construction of the main series of ships laid before 2018 will be completed, as well as "intensification of R & D and the start of procurement of head and serial advanced models, including large surface ships of the far sea and ocean zone actions after 2020 ". Oil prices in this scenario will remain at around $ 60 per barrel.

The target (forced) scenario, in addition, involves an intensive increase in the supply of ships and ships in the framework of military-technical cooperation. The rise in oil prices under such a scenario will persist to about $ 75 per barrel in constant dollars in 2017.
Prospective ships

Earlier, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy for armament Viktor Bursuk said that work on the construction of a prospective destroyer "Leader" for the Navy could begin in 2020.

The project of the destroyer under the code "Leader" is being developed at the Northern Design Bureau in St. Petersburg. Igor Ponomarev, vice-president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) for military shipbuilding, clarified earlier, the Russian Defense Ministry has already agreed on the outline design of the ship. It was reported that the displacement of the future destroyer could range from 10 to 15 thousand tons. According to Bursuk, "Leader" will receive a nuclear power plant.

In turn, the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, reported that Russian shipbuilders are designing a prospective aircraft carrier in an initiative, but there is still no contract for it. Earlier, the TASS source reported that the USC before the end of 2018 will submit for consideration to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation a few finalized drafts of a new domestic aircraft carrier. In case of a positive decision on one of the options, development work on the ship can begin in 2019.

Currently, the Russian Navy has a single non-nuclear medium-sized aircraft carrier, Admiral Kuznetsov (according to the Russian classification, a heavy aircraft carrying cruiser). As previously stated in the Navy, the Russian fleet expects to receive a prospective aircraft carrier with an atomic power plant by the end of 2030, the displacement of the new aircraft carrier should not be less than 70 thousand tons.

Krylov State Research Center previously developed and presented to the general public an aircraft carrier design for foreign customers, which was also offered for the domestic fleet. Project 23000 was named "Storm". The sketch assumes that the ship will have a displacement of 80-90 thousand tons, it will be equipped with a combined power plant (both an atomic reactor and a gas turbine engine), the air group of the ship must number up to 60 aircraft.

http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5344390

LMFS wrote:

The construction of the destroyer "Leader" and the aircraft carrier may be delayed until 2035

What a joke

Same as the alledged cancellation of the Su-57. A joke

Why don't they scrap instead some of those super-duper nuclear-powered missiles and underwater drones and other expensive mallarcy useful only for deterrence.
Hardware such as next-gen fighters and destroyers on the other hand are things that our armed forces actually need.