Syrian War: News #17

"SYRIAN ARMY CAPTURES 70% OF AYN TARMA FARMS (VIDEO)."





https://southfront.org/syrian-army-captures-70-of-ayn-tarma-farms-video/

Vann7 wrote:
Russia military is very aware of saturation attacks , they train for it ,all the time.. This is why short range air defenses
are important.. however  Electromagnetic warfare is the most effective way to defeat saturation attacks. If you understand what a magnet is , and how it can attract metal , with force.. a similar concept also exist for military

Luckily this wont be needed after Gerasimov-Dunford call. As for EW I have listened Russian military saying that actually EW is not so impacting Tomahawks - they follow optically terrain. If you shut GPS access they start flying higher. this is best chance ot shoot them down.

Vann7 wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Then Russia already lost game. I dont think they were not preparing to this to this. Still there are BUks, Pantsirs, Osas, Su-34, Su-30, Su-35 I hope Iranians also moved something to Syria. Also there are how many frigates in Syria? 2? so 48 Buk Missiles+
IMHO the question will be what they are prepared for?

Russia military is very aware of saturation attacks , they train for it ,all the time.. This is why short range air defenses
are important.. however  Electromagnetic warfare is the most effective way to defeat saturation attacks. If you understand what a magnet is , and how it can attract metal , with force.. a similar concept also exist for military
use , that for example they can Influence powerful Electric fields and magnetic fields in any large zone of their choice,
and then any electronic equipment , whether is a radio , a Gps device ,or Tank or a missile. once it enter in this zone..
the entire electrical operations of that hardware will cease to work.. it will simply TURN OFF the whole thing. So missiles will fall from the sky in the sand and tanks turned off ,will not move , And Russia claims that also can damage combat planes too AND injure their pilots too ,without firing a bullet or a missile ,but just using Electromagnetic warfare.
If you go to youtube ,you will see even amateurs EMP (electromagnetic pulse) guns ,that can shut down your pocket radio in a second.. by aiming at it.. How do you think IRAN captured Americans best stealth Plane ?  Using Russia electromagnetic guns , hardware IRAN got from soviet times... So Energy weapons , is the future.. it can easily stop
a billion of missiles attack, if they enter in a zone heavily attacked by Pulse magnetic electronic attacks..

In the same way , Fire ,do not works ,in a zone without Oxygen.. it simply automatically cease to exist.
In that same way Electricity do no work in the presence of an electric field/magnetic field , reversing the flow
of the current or provoking a short circuit.

There is a US military test in youtube.. where they SHUT DOWN car engine ,using this electronic attacks.. So counter electronic warfare works and very very well..  and if we are to believe in Russia military claims ,of what their EW hardware can do , then they pretty much shutdown any electronic military or civilian hardware in a zone of hundred of kilometers range or more.. but the are ways to protect electronics from such attacks.. So is all a race of who can do better , if the ones using EW or the ones protecting equipment from electronic attacks.. then you have laser anti air defenses gun ,to shutdown things.. which can effectively allow unlimited interceptions in a mass scale attack of missiles... So If Russia can produce enough laser anti air defenses ,and their energy weapons works as good they claim.. then eventually it can literary create an impenetrable wall ,for Planes ,drones and cruise missiles...  But.. will Russia want to reveal in
Syria everything they military is capable to do ? or will they want to not reveal all their cards too early to their enemies? In any case if Russia is not lying with their Electronic warfare capabilities and Laser Cannons and can mas produce them in big enough numbers? ,then it is very likely that Russia will be in the near future capable to secure 100% of its entire air space.. completely seal it ,from enemy attacks..and the only thing left is take their Laser Guns and Energy weapons to the space domain ,for total protection against any attack from space.

Your knowledge of radioelectronics is based on cartoons... i have no other explanation for the stuff you wrote here....

The key to dealing with a swarm attack is early warning and coordination... the A-50 provides early warning of an attack and would be able to pass information to ground based defences and aircraft to deal with the potential threat.


Even an Su-25 armed with 8 R-60MK AAMs could take down quite a few cruise missiles if they were directed to intercept points... which is exactly what the A-50 is intended for.

Su-35s and Su-30s and indeed Su-34s could all also engage such targets over much greater ranges.

Confirmation that missiles come from specific ships could be used as justification for attacking said ships to stop further attacks... and cruise missiles coming over neighbouring borders could be considered complicity in the attack... I would say direct attack on US platforms would be unlikely but I am pretty sure a no fly zone over the entire Syrian airspace could be one reaction to attacks by cruise missiles... start with enforcing it with S-400 batteries and expand to include air power... a few MiG-31s would be interesting.... especially if shown with Kinzhals...

600 missiles would be bullshit... depending on the intended target I would say 50-100 would be more likely... and such numbers could be dealt with using aircraft alone... they fly low but they are otherwise subsonic relatively easy targets.

"OVERVIEW OF BATTLE FOR EASTERN GHOUTA ON MARCH 22, 2018 (MAP, VIDEOS, PHOTOS)."



"On March 22, about 40 buses arrived the area of Harasta in the Damascus subrub of Eastern Ghouta. The buses will be used to implement an evacuation agrement between the Syrian government and Ahrar al-Sham. On March 21, it was reported that about 1,500 members of Ahrar al-Sham and 6,000 civilians [mostly members of the militants’ families] will be evacauted from Harasta to the militant-held part of Idlib province."





"The evacuation of militants from Harasta will allow government forces to re-establish control over this important urban area and to further divide the militant-held pockets in the southern and northern parts of Eastern Ghouta."





"Reports appeared that 13 Syrian troops, which had been captured by militants, were also released on March 22."





"Buses arrive Harasta."






"Buses arrive Harasta."



"Civilians are leaving Eastern Ghouta:"










"3 TURKSIH SOLDIERS KILLED BY IED IN SYRIA’S AFRIN AREA."

Looks like the Kurds have started Guerrilla warfare.

https://southfront.org/3-turksih-soldiers-killed-ied-syrias-afrin-area/




"TURKISH ARMY CAPTURES FOUR MORE VILLAGES SOUTH OF AFRIN (PHOTOS)."



















https://southfront.org/turkish-army-captures-four-more-villages-south-of-afrin-photos/






Map Update:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Luckily this wont be needed after Gerasimov-Dunford call.  As for EW I have listened Russian military saying that actually EW is not so impacting Tomahawks - they follow optically terrain. If you shut GPS access they start flying higher. this is best chance ot shoot them down.

Apparently they're already jamming GPS over Syria

In anticipation of the strike: Russia cut off the American GPS over Syria

GPS positioning system no longer accurately reflect the location of the aircraft in the eastern Mediterranean, in the vicinity of Syria; This raises concerns regarding safety, according to the Cypriot media.

This is a problem that aviation services and aircraftall are facing over the Eastern Mediterranean , reported Elinotourkika with reference to the source of the Cypriot Phileleftheros.

http://k-politika.ru/samolety-nachali-teryat-signal-gps-pri-podlete-k-sirii/?utm_source=warfiles.ru

[quote="GunshipDemocracy"]

Vann7 wrote:

Luckily this wont be needed after Gerasimov-Dunford call.  As for EW I have listened Russian military saying that actually EW is not so impacting Tomahawks - they follow optically terrain. If you shut GPS access they start flying higher. this is best chance ot shoot them down.

It depends of what kind of energy /electronic attacks they do..
I don't think Russia will be showing all its capabilities in air defenses to NATO in Syria.
Because it will allow them to experiment and work around Russia electronic warfare.

But according to Russia military own reports in Sputnik news.. They can literary fry the electronics
of any missile ,detonate them too ,early ,and even shutdown planes electrical grid and even injure seriously their pilots.
And Russia military working in shooting down satellites without missiles ,just using Electronic warfare.

So if their claims are true..then Russia military have the capabilities to disable Cruise missiles or even ballistic
missiles,drones and combat planes ,by destroying its electrical grid inside and to do it from long range distance.

So what is new , is not the science.. because US have done many test using energy weapons
to stop cars in the past..



What is new is that Russia claims it can shut down any electronic hardware ,communication device ,missile or drone or combat plane from farther distances that the ones US military can achieve. Using their Counter electronic warfare.then the question is ,will Russia show the Americans all the capabilities they have in air defense in Syria ? or will they prefer to leave surprises for a later time ,when the defense of Russia territory will be at risk ,among an imminent major global Conflict? I think Russia government will not reveal all the tricks they have in Syria..so to not allow NATO to understand to much ,how to counter it.

Energy weapons is the future , and the technology do works and very well.. just like the above video.
What Russia however is claiming is that they have done way more progress than NATO in this direction.
that is in the use of energy weapons. Even China have in service Microwave guns.. not to cook your dinner
but for military purposes. Russia is working in EW to shutdown satellites in space ,just think about that..
So a cruise missile flying higher will not save it.. and even a ballistic missile will be defeated without need
of S-500 or S-400.. but Russia needs to work in all directions and not rely in just one technology alone. just in case
electronic weapons fail to stop a missile ,then you still have traditional air defenses to deal with it.

Cyberspec wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Luckily this wont be needed after Gerasimov-Dunford call.  As for EW I have listened Russian military saying that actually EW is not so impacting Tomahawks - they follow optically terrain. If you shut GPS access they start flying higher. this is best chance ot shoot them down.

Apparently they're already jamming GPS over Syria

C'mon just a coincidence  BTW I guess that Kindzal 2000km + MiG31 radius range and Gerasimove: we shoot both missiles and carriers alike did the trick. Suddenly Dunford has found time in busy schedule and Trump called Putin [/quote]

Vann7 wrote:
It depends of what kind of energy /electronic attacks they do..

military, I had listened to, was talking about GPS and radio blocking mostly. I wodner if falsyfying GPS coordinates could work too - to gather missiles in one point

And Russia military working in shooting down satellites without missiles ,just using Electronic warfare.

So if their claims are true..then Russia military have the capabilities to disable Cruise missiles or even ballistic
missiles,drones and combat planes ,by destroying its electrical grid inside and to do it  from long range distance.

yup this is called maser and in very simplified way you can consider it as a "focused microvave". IMHO This works via antennas, sensors or if there is not enough "Faraday's cage" effect of warhead's cover it can make problems with electronics, reset or make problems with calculation and if enough energy fry via providing too much voltage.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

Apparently they're already jamming GPS over Syria

C'mon just a coincidence  BTW I guess that Kindzal 2000km + MiG31 radius range and Gerasimove: we shoot both missiles and carriers alike did the trick. Suddenly Dunford has found time in busy schedule and Trump called Putin

There's still reports (although unverified) about the danger of attack.

Syrian sources reporting US warned Russia of a 48-hour preparedness for attacks on targets of the Syrian Arab Armii. Russian SAM air defense system S-400 in Damascus, Masyaf, Hmeymim put on full combat gotovnost. EW systems jamming GPS in Syria .

A report I remember reading a while back suggested that the 30 odd Tomahawks that didn't make it to the target were sent in one direction and possibly all ran into the ground because the altitude settings were not accurate for the area.

Even something like a new power line across the ridge of a hill line where the missiles were going to fly low over so as not to give away their position could have resulted in the problem... just like you would not fly in to attack a ground force from exactly the same position over a hill with fixed wing aircraft, with cruise missiles they would all cross at different points to prevent the enemy anticipating them flying over there... some power lines could mean all the missiles crossed at different places and hit different parts of the line... or perhaps the ground was higher than they thought it was and they just flew into the ground.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
yup this is called maser and in very simplified way you can consider it as a "focused microvave".  IMHO  This works via antennas, sensors or if there is not enough "Faraday's cage" effect  of warhead's cover it can make problems with electronics, reset or make problems with calculation and if enough energy fry via providing too much voltage.

Technically speaking , the technology that Russia needs to fully protect its country from everything ,including
massive attacks of hundreds or thousands of drones and missiles already exist... Russia only needs to develop
it further. So that if for example their laser cannon range is 10km-20km.. then they need to expand it to 100km
and even all the way to where the NATO spy satellites located very high in the atmosphere.

So is not rocket science , or learning something new.. like the jump from Conventional weapons to nuclear weapons was..but more expanded development of what they already have.. This means that in just 5 years if Russia keep the pace in Electronic warfare and energy weapons development... then eventually they will be able to not only fully replace
ALL their air defenses.. S-300 to S-500.. and Pantsirs and TORS.. for energy weapons.. but also for the first time Russia will be able to cover 100% of its territory , airspace and space domain too..  then all this warships of NATO
will be a big waste and worthless to fight any battle against Russia.. just imagine such scenario ,is not wishful thinking ,is technology that already exist and that Russia already have , But that it only needs to develop it further ,so the the Energy attacks , are so powerful ,that can reach space or disable an aircraft carrier or warship.. Imagine the possibilities... Russia needs to invest heavily in this Energy weapons stuff. it will take Russia 20 to 30 years ahead of NATO if they dont do any progress in this area as much. you could have Tanks for example armed with Energy weapons ,that disable other tanks ,kill terrorist behind a big rock or inside a house without destroying the infrastructure.. and kill terrorist hiding underground in tunnels , De-mine Roads , disable in a second thousands of drones attacks , etc.. The introduction of Energy weapons today , is only  comparable to the invention of the Powder in the past by chinesse and the first use of Long Distance Cannons. . that could bypass Fortress defenses.. and wipe Armies from long distances. and they not aware ,what magic ,what their enemies using against them.

And then you have Plasma stealth. This sounds like science fiction ,and if you look at Russia animated CGI videos..
they claim their missiles can hide from radars ,using this technology. So this is a new form of stealth , that did not
depend on Shaping things in a particular way.. or don't depend on radar absorbing materials.. this is worthy of the Nobel price in physics ,if Dagger missiles can do all that. So it means NATO could be hit by a hypersonic missile
and they will never see it coming on its entire trajectory at least using their radiation radars , unless is withing visual eye contact. really fun stuff. and if Russia stealth Bomber works with Plasma too ,it will be , a major breakthrough and force NATO to go to the negotiating table for an arms treaty...because literary Russia will be able to fly over any NATO Aircraft carrier group , sneak silently right on top of them ,without being detected.. and or Invade any country airspace
fly over Washington DC for example and without being detected.. heat sensors and Doppler radars however could
be a bit tricky to evade ..but maybe not if the Plasma stealth is done very well ,it will completely wipe any radio signal that try to intercept the plane. This is major league stuff. And probably the west will follow too ..some years later.. making it very hard to detect planes in the future ,if they use Plasma stealth.

Damascus celebrating the liberation of #EasternGhouta from the Islamist terror groups.


https://twitter.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/977231647526531072

JohninMK wrote:
An agreement reached in the towns of Arbin, Zamalka, Ain Tarma and Jobar, in #EasternGhouta. The #SyrianArmy will secure a safe passage for 7,000 militants & their families to #Idlib, in exchange to handing over the areas, the map of tunnels & prisoners.[/i]

If the terrorists can't hold east Ghouta, after years of digging in, what makes them think they can hold Idlib, or anywhere else?

"TURKEY’S VICTORIES AND DIPLOMACY. WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT."

"Almost immediately, following the fall of Afrin, Turkey started implementing a more pro-US approach in its foreign policy. It wiped the YPG out of northwestern Syria and thus no longer needs to manoeuvre between the US and Russia over this issue. At the same time, Ankara’s expansionist aspirations are still on the table. The Erdogan regime will try to annex the north and northwest of Syria by establishing a quasi-state or an autonomy controlled by its proxies. The Syrian government, Iran and Russia will not be able to tolerate this. In this  way, the US could become an organic ally of Turkey in northern Syria in the near future."

Be very careful with the Turkish assholes, what Erdogan does not know that his bell can be easily rung with the "Kurdish Guerrilla fighters."




https://southfront.org/victories-and-diplomacy-of-turkey-what-to-expect-next/

par far wrote:
The Erdogan regime will try to annex the north and northwest of Syria by establishing a quasi-state or an autonomy controlled by its proxies. The Syrian government, Iran and Russia will not be able to tolerate this. In this  way, the US could become an organic ally of Turkey in northern Syria in the near future."

I don't think Erdogan is that ambitious. He just wants to preempt an autonomous Kurdish state in Syria, which would stir up far more trouble among Turkey's Kurds.

par far wrote:"TURKEY’S VICTORIES AND DIPLOMACY. WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT."

"Almost immediately, following the fall of Afrin, Turkey started implementing a more pro-US approach in its foreign policy. It wiped the YPG out of northwestern Syria and thus no longer needs to manoeuvre between the US and Russia over this issue. At the same time, Ankara’s expansionist aspirations are still on the table. The Erdogan regime will try to annex the north and northwest of Syria by establishing a quasi-state or an autonomy controlled by its proxies. The Syrian government, Iran and Russia will not be able to tolerate this. In this  way, the US could become an organic ally of Turkey in northern Syria in the near future."

Be very careful with the Turkish assholes, what Erdogan does not know that his bell can be easily rung with the "Kurdish Guerrilla fighters."

The YPG talks about creating a Turkish Vietnam and they abandoned Afrin city to avoid civilian casualties. There are still several cells operating in other districts destroying FSA and TAF vehicles in ambush. The only way they can win is to make Turkey bleed. Their economy is quickly going down the toilet with excessive spending and junk sovereign debt ratings. Their trade deficit is massive and their FX reserves are not even enough to meet the trade balance. Inflation is still double digits despite all efforts of Erdogan. Ticking time bomb in Turkey.

JohninMK wrote:

wth man... do that porn surfing on your own time.

Vladimir79 wrote:

par far wrote:"TURKEY’S VICTORIES AND DIPLOMACY. WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT."

"Almost immediately, following the fall of Afrin, Turkey started implementing a more pro-US approach in its foreign policy. It wiped the YPG out of northwestern Syria and thus no longer needs to manoeuvre between the US and Russia over this issue. At the same time, Ankara’s expansionist aspirations are still on the table. The Erdogan regime will try to annex the north and northwest of Syria by establishing a quasi-state or an autonomy controlled by its proxies. The Syrian government, Iran and Russia will not be able to tolerate this. In this  way, the US could become an organic ally of Turkey in northern Syria in the near future."

Be very careful with the Turkish assholes, what Erdogan does not know that his bell can be easily rung with the "Kurdish Guerrilla fighters."

The YPG talks about creating a Turkish Vietnam and they abandoned Afrin city to avoid civilian casualties.  There are still several cells operating in other districts destroying FSA and TAF vehicles in ambush.  The only way they can win is to make Turkey bleed.  Their economy is quickly going down the toilet with excessive spending and junk sovereign debt ratings. Their trade deficit is massive and their FX reserves are not even enough to meet the trade balance.  Inflation is still double digits despite all efforts of Erdogan.  Ticking time bomb in Turkey.  

The Kurds lost. They have no way to mount a sustained and effective "guerrilla campaign" - they're not the vietcong (they wish). Not to mention the main forces on the ground are not Turks but Syrian Turkish proxies - aka expendables. If things were to really get ugly for the FSA (and Turkey); there is always Assad waiting in the wings to cleanse the place from terrorists on a backroom deal between Russia and Turkey.

Bottomline, the Kurds are not getting Afrin back and their little games with "sleeper cells" etc are insignificant. Mounting an actual defense of the city would have been more bloody and costly for Turkey and the FSA. So the idea that somehow this 4D-chess "guerrilla campaign" is gonna change anything.... it's laughable and mainly propaganda for self-consumption since they just got royally raped (gotta keep the sheep believing while the puppet masters flee). You do have a point that Turkey can not wage a sustained confrontation with the U.S, simply due to the fact that its economy will get drowned (and Europe will happily help). Given the circumstances the Turks have played their cards well. Rapprochement between Turkey and the U.S should always be expected. It's realpolitik.

ATLASCUB wrote:

The Kurds lost. They have no way to mount a sustained and effective "guerrilla campaign" - they're not the vietcong (they wish). Not to mention the main forces on the ground are not Turks but Syrian Turkish proxies - aka expendables. If things were to really get ugly for the FSA (and Turkey); there is always Assad waiting in the wings to cleanse the place from terrorists on a backroom deal between Russia and Turkey.

Bottomline, the Kurds are not getting Afrin back and their little games with "sleeper cells" etc are insignificant. Mounting an actual defense of the city would have been more bloody and costly for Turkey and the FSA. So the idea that somehow this 4D-chess "guerrilla campaign" is gonna change anything.... it's laughable and mainly propaganda for self-consumption since they just got royally raped (gotta keep the sheep believing while the puppet masters flee). You do have a point that Turkey can not wage a sustained confrontation with the U.S, simply due to the fact that its economy will get drowned (and Europe will happily help). Given the circumstances the Turks have played their cards well. Rapprochement between Turkey and the U.S should always be expected. It's realpolitik.

Turkeys domestic problems are bleeding into its economy. 12,000 millionaires have fled in the last two years, 50,000 academics have taken their PhDs to Europe and elsewhere creating a brain drain. Public discontent in Europe for Turkey is at an all time high and any further actions as Manjib or Iraq will bring economic consequences. Erdogan is trying to distract the public with debt fueled growth numbers and talks of reestablishing the Ottoman empire while the economic base is fleeing the country.

In a place like Afrin or North Iraq the terrain is like Afghanistan, it is very difficult to stop an insurgency and with the growth of Kurdish outcry from even Turkish areas it could turn into the rally cry the Kurds have been waiting for. It made no strategic sense to take Afrin and now it could be the final nail that breaks the camels back. Just because the US isn't helping them doesn't mean a country like Israel or France won't.

JohninMK wrote:
I meant but forgot to add a qualification that the map was a bit premature/optimistic. By Monday/Tuesday it won't be far out at the current rate of progress/agreements.

Is the Brazzers logo code for something other than porn? I don't really keep up with the lingo.