Syrian War: News #17

Wonder if there will be another flood to destroy this bridge like the last one. Sorry about picture quality.

Samir
‏ @obretix
11h11 hours ago

a new bridge across the Euphrates River has been set up near Deir Ezzor a few days ago next to the old one that broke down before http://wikimapia.org/#lat=35.283848&lon=40.236322&z=14&m=b …

Cyberspec wrote:

Vladimir79 wrote:What is real is that the French president has drawn a line at Manbij....................

Sounds like a Strelkov type analysis...

Their position in Syria without Turkey's support is weak and vulnerable....they can draw as many imaginary lines in the sand as they like. I think it's only a matter of time before they get booted out completely.

This is exactly what im telling Vlad.. France ,neither Americans have a chance to hold positions in Kurds zones..
If .. IF... IF .. Erdogan is really really annoyed and decide to break Relations with US and France.. Turkey government
will simply give a last ultimatum to Americans and French. something like this "you have 24 hours to abandon the place ..after this time any American or french soldiers there ,will be at their own fault,..if get injured.. or killed" etc etc..

So no Americans will die ,no french will die because they will be smart and will retreat, but their military bases all destroyed...so no longer NATO planes will land there. And if NATO attacks Turkey soldiers , then Erdogan can take hostage americans in Incirk base in Turkey and close the base.. this will be a HUGE BLOW ,to NATO ,because the sole objective of Americans in Syria is NOT the Kurds,. they could care less about them.. The only objective of Americans is Russia.. but also Russia..and Russia..but as Bonus Russia.. is all about Russia..  The Syrian conflict.. is simply a proxy war of Americans against Russia..ANother objective is Russia.. but also Russia.. is a war against Russia .. as simple as this.. but is a proxy war.. just like they armed talibans to fight Soviets... now they took things to a new level.. an arming ISIS, Alqaeda, Kurds and trying to get this latest ones against Russia.

So again Vlad.. Americans needs nothing from Kurds.. they don't need their oil ..they dont care about kurds..
Notice how in Afrin  ,US military ,not a single sanction against Turkey.. it was all good.. not a problem..
they need nothing from Kurds ,ISIS,Alqaeda, SDF ,FSA.. etc etc.. other than to bribe them.. in order to help Americans to fight by proxy Russia..  If tomorrow Kurds , make alliance with Assad and Russia... then Americans will abandon them.. is that simple.

So France can draw any lines they want.. but what is France objectives? that they are going to risk a war with Turkey,
for Kurds they really could care less?

The only reason for US and France to pressure in holding Manbji.. is because if they retreat.. that will be humiliating.
and they will look weak... If France really wanted to hold Manbji , they will send 20,000 to 50,000 soldiers with tanks
but 100 soldiers? and if Americans really wanted to hold every inch of Kurdistan territory.. they will send 50,000 soldiers but not 2,000.  Simply France and AMericans will be over Run in a matter of hours.. FSA suicide bombers will lead the charge. this is how they took IDLIB away from Syria.. with waves of Suicide bombers.. and with Turkey artillery shelling at Mabji to force everyone abandon them place... they will be forced to retreat..

Only way americans and French can stop Turkey is declaring war agaisnt Turkey...
and using nukes to stop their army invasion.. can they do this ? yes they can do it... if they were crazy yes..
US and France can also stop Turkey sending 200,000 soldiers thousands of tanks.. and waste $TRILLIONS dollars
to defend Kurds against Turkey.. but will Pentagon do this? Not way.. it will be too expensive and will win nothing
in change.. because will lose Turkey from NATO ,their military base.. will not defeat Turkey army ,and will help Russia
to become stronger than ever ,with Turkey blocking NATO from the black sea..  

Will declaring war against Turkey and losing the most important NATO member Americans have to counter Russia
is worth of trading vs.. taking the side of Kurds that will give them nothing and will need to be maintained and sustained economically ,because is a land locked zone?

The only Reason Americans wants Kurds ,is to justify their permanent presence in Syria ,and to blackmail
Erdogan ,so that he become more cooperative with American interest ,of destroying .... ---> Russia.

But if NATO start now to fight Erdogan.. bomb Turkey soldiers ,bomb turkey cities , then what goals will that achieve?
Nothing...  Just like the bombing of the Syrian military base by Trump.. nothing.. Soldiers can be replaced.. military
bases can be repaired.. and turkey have millions of soldiers.. So the only way Americans can win a fight with Turkey and stop their army from taking Kurdistan.. is either economic sanctions... or using nukes..
But i don't think they will do it.. because it will be game over ,for NATO presence in Turkey... and because
no american citizens will support the Pentagon to now start a new war against Turkey.. aside Trump wants to get
out of Syria.. so the will break .. and will use damage control... to tell the world a "new deal" was made by Turkey..
so Erdogan "protect" all north Kurds zones..

And now Americans and French soldiers will face an armed Tribal/kurds insurrection ,targeting very easily their military bases.. it will be a Quagmire.. a vietnam war.. and Russia will be laughing non stop.. because you can't stop with an airforce a very fast mobile army invasion.. Look at how ISIS over run Palmyra... even with Russian airforce support and special forces.. they had to retreat.  So if things continues the same way.. Then Iran and Turkey will push away
French Forces and American forces in North Syria.. and with Russia laughing big hard.. providing only logistics and satellite data of US and French positions.

So there is a big possibility ,that Kurds in north of Syria will split.. and will fight each other ..and with Turkey harassing
American and French troops with their FSA..and with their planes and artillery and superior army.. And forcing Americans and French to retreat.. facing the major defeat in their history ...  similar to the Vietnam war ..that by coincidence the french and Americans were also kicked from there..

What kind of strategy , Americans will develop in Syria , if they lose Turkey as an ally,, and he do everything to kick American and French in Syria ? IRAN can supply its air defenses too ,to Turkey to target their planes. and will get S-400s that will have no problem to shut down French and American planes.. Then they will be facing an entirely new war..an Russia will just grab a popcorn and observe how NATO fight each other..  So americans will see this is not good ,,and will leave.. because the entire purpose of the war will be lost ,that it was supposed to over run Syria and bleed Russia army there.. but now the ones that will be bleed are they..  

France full scale army with a very large airforce and a permanent mission ,could stop Turkey.. yes.. but that will be
very very expensive operation.. and france will simply see , that defending kurds , It will not be worth of it.. If they don't managed to make a deal with Turkey ,to betray Russia, then NATO Will leave . The only Big question here is Israel and Jordan, they still can cause troubles to Syrian army and Russia.. and they will want to block Syria border with IRAQ.. but the way things looks now.. it looks like a total mess ..out of their control and US and France will need to develop an exit strategy.. before any major losses they get..

Erdogan also Knows too much of US and France.. operations in Syria.since 2011 ,and about MCain meetings
with ISIS too , in Turkey Border ,and what they were doing there.. Simply Erdogan have many ways to blackmail
Americans for cooperation. Europe also need Turkey support to contain the million of refugees in their territory.



So unless US and France and Europe manage to Bribe ERdogan to distance from Russia and IRAN.. i don't see anything good happening for US and France in north Syria.. They will retreat.. if erdogan push and push , then they will make some damage control PR ,to save face for leaving north of Syria.. is a very high possibility to happen.

And if Erdogan is smarter  once he finish taking parts of north Syria ,he will continue pushing more ,forcing the Kurds
totally out of Kurdish zones.. and force them to become refugees of Syrian Army.. and they disarmed.. then Turkey disarm all the kurds by pushing them out of eufratez zone.. and Kurds will become disarmed and under protection of Syria army.. then later Turkey make a deal with Russia , and pass the control of Kurds zones to Syria army..  and then kurds allowed to return totally disarmed and only to the zones they had , in 2011 when the war began.. and the entire war of NATO will be reversed. and a new alliance formed between Russia,IRAN,IRAQ,Hezbolah and Syria..

Is clear Syrians will never forget Erdogan what he did.. but if Russia ask this help to assad. he will do anything..
Because Russia helped Assad to save Syria and now Assad can help Russia , to negotiate with Turkey to help Russia security too.. (ie.. BlockingNATO from black sea). So all those countries.. TUrkey,IRAN,IRAQ,Syria and Russia can benefit tremendously each other if make an alliance to kick US from Syria,Kurdistan,IRAQ and Turkey. .

When Americans goes to a war..or any nation with common sense..the very first question they ask..
is What will be our goals ? our Objectives???? what will be the definition of a victory ?  
and AMericans and French making an alliance with Kurds , in change of allowing Turkey and Russia and IRAN
to become allies.. is laughable.. Generals will be sacked in Pentagon if anything like this happen.. Because Kurds
are just a tool.. to bleed Syria and by proxy Russia.+.a tool to blacmail Erdogan , you either cooperate of Kurds will be armed with lethal weapons... But if Erdogan makes an alliance with Russia and IRAN and Syria.. then the entire war
in Syria will change..and now US ,Kurds and France will be on the defense.... and Rebels attacking them.. with Turkey and IRAN arming them.. If this develops , the way i see it.. it will be the major disaster in US history in any war.
and will be written in many books of military strategy ,how Russia managed to save a country surrounded by enemies ,
after losing 75% of its territory using a very small airforce and as a bonus split their enemies ,to fight each other..forcing them to retreat from the war..

If Russia and Turkey restore relations 100% , Syria even have a real chance of recover their lands all the way
to 2011 borders.. with disarmed kurds in their original place.. But if Erdogan experience a coup and removed..
it is also possible a new government will do the same. Everyone understand that Americans can't be trusted and their real goals is to split all middle east ...using Kurds and terrorist. Even Saudi Arabia will be split... There are maps
of NATO/Israel vision of a greater middle east. and Turkey split too..

White Helmets at it again. This time though? They state that Assad gassed the people while bombing them. Except for, these people were in a celler. And the white helmets including AQ are perfectly OK.

So in other words, American backed thugs killed a bunch of civilians for cheap propaganda again, while it was Russia who warned this will probably happen.

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/982736584687550465

NATOstani Msm is already in full steam accusing Assad and Russia of being behind the attack, it seems saturating the news with their propaganda actually works for the average westerner, and anyone calling for more objectivity is immediately branded as a Russian troll NATO's over aggressive behavior nowadays seem to indicate that they are really looking for a total war with Russia, the only thing thats holding them back is a perfect excuse to start the shooting. I wish Russia beats them hard, and take back its rightful territories and incorporate them into the new greater Russian federation.

Problem is that the areas I think you are referring to as former territories are populated by loonies and Russia really does not need that sort of baggage...

This could get real ugly real quick. Reports are Russian forces are on full alert, don't know if the meaning is in Syria AO or everywhere and SAF is also up and fully manned.

White security chief says cruise missile attack on Syria possible

Yeah, Russian forces are indeed on full alert. Su-24's seen over med sea in scouting missions, air defense systems at bases full alert, and 3 squadrons in the sky. First squadron will probably land soon to refuel since they been up over an hour now.

Don't know what is happening on SyAF side. I imagine their MiG-29's are up in the air and their ad systems are also on full alert.

Where do you get this news of full alert what is the source ?

Various Twitter sources.

miketheterrible wrote:Various Twitter sources.

link please

Extremists and Damascus concluded an agreement on the evacuation of militants from the Duma, it will take two days - the media
04/08/2018 6:54:30 PM
(updated version of the message from 15:45, details of the agreement were added)

Dubai. 8 April. Interfax - Militants from the Jays al-Islam group agreed in talks with representatives of Damascus to leave the city of the Duma (Eastern Guta), the official Syrian media reported on Sunday.

According to their data, the militants will be transported from the Duma to the city of Jarablus within the next two days. In addition, the extremists agreed to release civilians from the Duma, which, according to Damascus, were held there by force.

The media note that after the announcement of the agreement reached the Duma drove a few dozen buses, which are expected to be evacuated by militants.

The plans of the withdrawal from the city of the Duma of irreconcilable militants of the group "Jays al-Islam" were reported on Sunday morning by the Russian military.

"Today, an operation is launching the withdrawal from the city of the Duma of the irreconcilable militants of the Jays al-Islam group," said Major-General Yury Yevtushenko, head of the Russian center for reconciliation of the warring parties in Syria, on the

eve of the Russian military saying that the fighters "Jays al-Islam" and resumed hostilities against the Syrian army.In response, according to Yevtushenko, the Syrian army launched an operation to free the Duma from irreconcilable militants.

In addition, on Saturday Yevtushenko said that more than 700 militants have been withdrawn from the city of the Duma since early March. "During this period, the city was left by 33345 people, including 29217 civilians, 738 militants and 3390 members of their families," he said.

City Duma - the last stronghold of militants in East Gut. The city was kept by the fighters of "Jays al-Islam", negotiations were conducted with them to build up the arms and transfer the city under the control of the government of Syria.

Earlier, from the eastern Guta to the de-escalation zone "Idlib", the Russian military took out the militants of the groups "Ahrar ash Sham" and "Failak Ar-Rahman."

Austin wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Various Twitter sources.

link please

https://twitter.com/DonKlericuzio/status/982996516389441536?s=19

https://m.vz.ru/news/2018/4/8/916565.html

So, now that Ghouta is about to be free, where are the US/UK/Israeli/Saudi etc special forces that were claimed to be there?

JohninMK wrote:So, now that Ghouta is about to be free, where are the US/UK/Israeli/Saudi etc special forces that were claimed to be there?

I have read of 2-3 UK, 1 US and 3 Israeli operatives being captured in the areas already taken but who knows for sure. Similar situation to Aleppo.

JohninMK wrote:So, now that Ghouta is about to be free, where are the US/UK/Israeli/Saudi etc special forces that were claimed to be there?

I read 11 Brits were captured

"Folks, the reason for all this anti-Putin nonsense is the one fact that the Syrian government now holds over 11 British officers who were liaised with the terrorists in the Ghouta. They were captured 2 weeks ago by Syrian Army commandos and are being held in separate jails around the Damascus area inside heavily guarded military bases. The Brits want them badly before they are used to implicate England in the mess it helped to create in Syria. Damascus won’t budge on this issue and, evidently, the English are assuming Moscow is not putting pressure on Dr. Assad to release them to Old Blighty. Too bad. And they were caught out of uniform, such that they could be executed as spies under international law."


source:

https://syrianperspective.com/2018/04/alloosh-orders-execution-of-officers-5-hostages-freed-saudi-arabia-trying-to-hold-on-to-ghouta-how-zahraan-alloosh-was-killed-by-saf.html

JohninMK wrote:So, now that Ghouta is about to be free, where are the US/UK/Israeli/Saudi etc special forces that were claimed to be there?

Dude you are always skeptic about NATO special forces in Syria , including British one ,directly aiding ISIS fights
against Assad.

grab this links..

www.rt.com
https://sputniknews.com

search for syria news..
It was reported there ,about NATO weapons and special forces of NATO operating with the terrorist..
there was even mention of Israeli weapons found in Eastern Ghoutta. this is why NATO is so hostile to
the liberation of the city.. Because US ,France and Britian will be in serious trouble if Russia show on TV
American ,British and French Special forces captured with ISIS working in Syria.

franco wrote:

JohninMK wrote:So, now that Ghouta is about to be free, where are the US/UK/Israeli/Saudi etc special forces that were claimed to be there?

I have read of 2-3 UK, 1 US and 3 Israeli operatives being captured in the areas already taken but who knows for sure. Similar situation to Aleppo.

Well if it really is what happened then they better put their asses on TV because that's the fastest way to throw cold water on this and kick the ball into opponent's corner.

Keeping it quiet now is pointless.

PapaDragon wrote:

franco wrote:

JohninMK wrote:So, now that Ghouta is about to be free, where are the US/UK/Israeli/Saudi etc special forces that were claimed to be there?

I have read of 2-3 UK, 1 US and 3 Israeli operatives being captured in the areas already taken but who knows for sure. Similar situation to Aleppo.

Well if it really is what happened then they better put their asses on TV because that's the fastest way to throw cold water on this and kick the ball into opponent's corner.

Keeping it quiet now is pointless.

They are not shown on TV.. because is a negotiating card...

Russia can use them.. to force Britain and US to abandon Syria... this is why..
There was an incident  for example in 2012.. where a dozen of France special forces were captured..
and after the Ambassador of France left in 2011 Syria.. by "mysterious reasons" he returned to Syria..to talk
to Assad ,withing the same time ,it was rumored French Special forces captured.. and they all were released
about dozen of them.. in change for France stop its hostilities to Syria.. and at least that President ,quiet.

There is the famous case of Basra incident..that happened in IRAQ post war..with the new democratic government.
2 british special forces captured in IRAQ,, dressed as Arabs.. and they were arrested because were caught with pants down , provoking sectarian fights between different muslim communities. they were throwing grenades at mosques..  and they were arrested.. and IRAQ new government refused to release them.. and the british army send tanks and liberated by force their special forces.

But they were arrested only for Terrorism.. not for any security operation.. but for inciting civil unrest
and endless Violence between IRAQ society..  

Arrest of British Terror Bombers in Basra Exposes Zionist Strategy Behind Iraqi Sectarian Terror

http://www.hugequestions.com/Eric/TFC/Bollyn-Balkanize_Iraq.html

The arrest of two British agents disguised as Shiite “terrorists” with a car full of explosives in Basra has provided solid evidence that British occupation forces are involved in Iraq's so-called sectarian terror bombings, which, until now, have been mysterious, unclaimed and unexplained acts of senseless violence.
The on-going wave of “false flag” terror bombings is the realization of the Zionist strategy and is meant to foment civil strife leading to the Balkanization of Iraq.

And they are doing the same in Syria. NATO role there is to incite violence and to make it impossible
for Syria to ever have peace and bleed Russia military there..with NATO backed sectarian radicals jihadist terror
groups.

I read 11 Brits were captured

"Folks, the reason for all this anti-Putin nonsense is the one fact that the Syrian government now holds over 11 British officers who were liaised with the terrorists in the Ghouta. They were captured 2 weeks ago by Syrian Army commandos and are being held in separate jails around the Damascus area inside heavily guarded military bases. The Brits want them badly before they are used to implicate England in the mess it helped to create in Syria. Damascus won’t budge on this issue and, evidently, the English are assuming Moscow is not putting pressure on Dr. Assad to release them to Old Blighty. Too bad. And they were caught out of uniform, such that they could be executed as spies under international law."

Their testimonies ,will be worth their weight multiplied by billions in Gold..
Imagine that anyone of them really upset for their government.. choose to talk..
and expose British Government alliance with ISIS? or how about 2-3 that talks?
or 11 of them?    it will be an scandal of historic proportions ,that will cause many
people in Britain to resign.. they could also expose US and France too ,alliance with ISIS..
how NATO major powers have been aiding terrorist to shell civilians in Damascus for months..
Something like this will be impossible to silence.. and will attract world attention if any of them
choose to talk.. what they know of NATO collusion with terrorism in Syria.

I urge everyone to watch this very very interesting video, why the west is trying hard to liberate its assets in east Ghouta
That video gave me shivers, so much "inside informations"!  (eliminating of 200 US speacial forces!, catching 200 british military advisors...)
Im 100% convinced the shopping mall inferno in Russia with over 60 dead was revenge done by CIA/Mossad..

https://vimeo.com/263728681