"Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile

Should be SSC-007.

Is this picture of a Burevestnik mobile launcher?



Its from a SF article on Avangard, but clearly its not a HGV launched atop an ICBM...

(SF article on Avangard FWIW https://southfront.org/avangard-hypersonic-weapon-systems-will-be-put-on-combat-duty-in-2019-commander-of-strategic-missile-troops/)

Big_Gazza wrote:Is this picture of a Burevestnik mobile launcher?



Its from a SF article on Avangard, but clearly its not a HGV launched atop an ICBM...

(SF article on Avangard FWIW https://southfront.org/avangard-hypersonic-weapon-systems-will-be-put-on-combat-duty-in-2019-commander-of-strategic-missile-troops/)

I don't think it is. It looks like it's a loader for installing silo based ICBM's, just look at the hatch door behind it.

magnumcromagnon wrote:I don't think it is. It looks like it's a loader for installing silo based ICBM's, just look at the hatch door behind it.

I thought that too, but the missile would be too short for an ICBM and the hatch (if that is what it is) looks way too large? The "loader" has the look of an environmental test shelter to allow access to missile in transit... maybe its a transport vehicle for Burevestnik test missiles and is loading the missile into the test range launch tube?

The missile is already in the silo, the payload (Avangard) is put onto it.

Burevestnik uses a inclined launch tube.

This is Burevestnik:


It comes in a sealed Transport and launch container:


The ground launcher would likely look like this:

Just with boxy containers instead of round ones.

Thanks Hole!   Good pics BTW of Avanguard installation to silo.  I'm surprised that these are available publically.  If these have been cleared for release by Russian authorities, it shows how much todays Russia has changed since the USSR where excessive secrecy was their speciality.

Very interesting that it has a pointed nose... suggests rather high flight speed...

If these have been cleared for release by Russian authorities, it shows how much todays Russia has changed since the USSR where excessive secrecy was their speciality.

Indeed... during the cold war such images would be released just a few years after they retired and were being replaced if at all.

Of course for deterrent factor... the other side needs to see these things are real of course so they have an interest in showing the goods.., even if it is just a slip of an ankle or naked knee...

GarryB wrote:Very interesting that it has a pointed nose... suggests rather high flight speed...

If these have been cleared for release by Russian authorities, it shows how much todays Russia has changed since the USSR where excessive secrecy was their speciality.

Indeed... during the cold war such images would be released just a few years after they retired and were being replaced if at all.

Of course for deterrent factor... the other side needs to see these things are real of course so they have an interest in showing the goods.., even if it is just a slip of an ankle or naked knee...

Well if you have unlimited range from the use of a compact reactor, than their wouldn't be a need to keep it subsonic, because the usual trade off is speed vs range and one is usually sacrificed.

Hole wrote:This is Burevestnik:


It comes in a sealed Transport and launch container:


The ground launcher would likely look like this:

Just with boxy containers instead of round ones.

When you look at the dimensions of it's container, it wouldn't be too difficult to stack 4-6 tubes per vehicle.

Well if you have unlimited range from the use of a compact reactor, than their wouldn't be a need to keep it subsonic, because the usual trade off is speed vs range and one is usually sacrificed.

The main reason they have small light turbofan engines instead of bigger more powerful turbojets is that to get long range you choose relatively low thrust fuel efficient engines that limit you to subsonic speeds.

With unlimited range, then the limit is the size and weight of the propulsion system...

As an example... the tests with strategic bombers with nuke propulsion were limited to a very small payload because of the weight of the reactors and the necessary shielding to protect the crew, so they were dropped because it does not matter how good the range is, if it cannot carry a useful payload then it is useless.

The question is... how far have they compressed the nuclear power component... and keep in mind this will be a much simpler system that directly heats air to generate thrust rather than old attempts to generate electricity to turn propellers... so basically they have gone from mini NPP to nuclear ramjet... and technically because there is no fuel burned in the accepted sense it would be a scramjet because there is no need for combustion so airflow could be supersonic through the hot stage of the engine...

Would love to see such a ground launcher on red square next year.

pretending to be a serious question

I hope It flys supersonic like the French scientist Said.

Should be SSC-007.

Whatever its designation it certainly should have a 00, because it will definitely be licensed to kill...

Do you think that Burevestnik will fly with supersonic or hypersonic speed?

It definitely is not hypersonic... the nose is definitely not pointed enough for that...

It would require a lot of energy to be supersonic at low flight altitudes... perhaps transonic at low altitudes and supersonic at high altitudes...

Big_Gazza wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:I don't think it is. It looks like it's a loader for installing silo based ICBM's, just look at the hatch door behind it.

I thought that too, but the missile would be too short for an ICBM and the hatch (if that is what it is) looks way too large? The "loader" has the look of an environmental test shelter to allow access to missile in transit...  maybe its a transport vehicle for Burevestnik test missiles and is loading the missile into the test range launch tube?

Definitely the loader vehicle for Avantgarde.

GarryB wrote:
It definitely is not hypersonic... the nose is definitely not pointed enough for that...

It would require a lot of energy to be supersonic at low flight altitudes... perhaps transonic at low altitudes and supersonic at high altitudes...

I'm not sure about its radiation but is something flies fast there is air compression heating - so basically cannot be stealth. IR sensors can detect you hundreds of miles ahead.
In case oc CMs you either need to be stealth or very, very fast to be effective.

Even if it was supersonic it has a nuclear motor so it does not need to operate at top thrust setting at full speed all the time... it could fly at high subsonic speeds at very low altitudes and cross into the US from any direction... it could fly around Antarctica for a month before heading north to attack targets in the US of A.

In fact it could operate in clean subsonic and dirty supersonic modes and just fly south and loiter for a month and the go dirty and fast and fly up to US airspace and fly around the place for a month releasing mini bombs around the place all the while spewing out radioactive waste from its engine...

It is supposed to be a doomsday device after all.

Its enormous range and suggested subsonic speeds means it wont get to US territory until after the ICBMs and SLBMs have pretty much laid waste to the majority of military airfields and population centres, so this weapon could conceptually hit targets that have already been destroyed... perhaps a sensor with GLONASS or GPS assistance that gives radiation levels so it will only hit areas of population that have not already been hit...

By the time it is lining up its targets there will be no air defence forces operating on either side...

GarryB wrote:Even if it was supersonic it has a nuclear motor so it does not need to operate at top thrust setting at full speed all the time... it could fly at high subsonic speeds at very low altitudes and cross into the US from any direction... it could fly around Antarctica for a month before heading north to attack targets in the US of A.

In fact it could operate in clean subsonic and dirty supersonic modes and just fly south and loiter for a month and the go dirty and fast and fly up to US airspace and fly around the place for a month releasing mini bombs around the place all the while spewing out radioactive waste from its engine...

It is supposed to be a doomsday device after all.

Its enormous range and suggested subsonic speeds means it wont get to US territory until after the ICBMs and SLBMs have pretty much laid waste to the majority of military airfields and population centres, so this weapon could conceptually hit targets that have already been destroyed... perhaps a sensor with GLONASS or GPS assistance that gives radiation levels so it will only hit areas of population that have not already been hit...

By the time it is lining up its targets there will be no air defence forces operating on either side...

Probably little GPS or GLOSNASS coverage either. About the only arm of the armed forces still operating will be the remaining submarines returning to bases or other ports. That's a possible target.

I bet on inertial (laser gyroscope based) + astonavigation homing, designers cannot assume that in case of global war there is anything like Glonass/GPS

It could be fitted with a day/night indicator and could climb to enormous altitudes, where its propulsion would be rather more efficient and higher speeds easier to achieve and it could use the position of the sun and the stars to determine its location reasonably accurately... together with ring laser gyro data of course...

I suspect sub bases would be targeted by Poseidon, but certainly there will be a range of potential targets they could look at engaging...

In fact they could pack a dozen or more small compact low yield nuke bombs on board that are only 10-20kgs each with a few dozen KT warheads that could be ejected over target areas... just to spread the love... make them all surface burst so they irradiate a lot of top soil...

These are pretty much vengeance weapons... Hitler would be green with envy...

As suggested by GunshipDiplomacy, cross posting this nuclear ram/scramjet link here due to historical references.

http://mragheb.com/NPRE%20402%20ME%20405%20Nuclear%20Power%20Engineering/Nuclear%20Ramjet%20and%20Scramjet%20Propulsion.pdf

Russia Conducts Test of Nuclear-Powered Cruise Missile

The test is the thirteenth to date to involve the experimental Burevestnik.

Russia conducted a partially successful test of its developmental nuclear-powered cruise missile, the Burevestnik, on January 29, 2019, according to U.S. government sources with knowledge of Russia’s weapons programs who spoke to the The Diplomat. The test took place at Russia’s Kapustin Yar missile test range and is the thirteenth to date involving the missile.

The test marks the first involving the Burevestnik in nearly one year. The missile had not been tested since February 2018. According to one source, U.S. intelligence assesses that Russia’s development efforts on the missile continues. The United States intelligence community internally calls the missile the KY30 or the SSC-X-9 SKYFALL.

The Burevestnik was first tested at Kapustin Yar in June 2016. According to U.S. military intelligence, only one test of the missile has been moderately successful to date. That test took place in November 2017 from Russia’s Pank’ovo test site in Novaya Zemlya and resulted in recovery mission involving specialized Russian ship crews to retrieve the missile’s debris and nuclear materials from the Barents Sea after a crash.

https://thediplomat.com/2019/02/russia-conducts-test-of-nuclear-powered-cruise-missile/

FROM AN AMERICAN SOURCE...SO BRING THE SALT!

dino00 wrote:Russia Conducts Test of Nuclear-Powered Cruise Missile

The test is the thirteenth to date to involve the experimental Burevestnik.

Russia conducted a partially successful test of its developmental nuclear-powered cruise missile, the Burevestnik, on January 29, 2019, according to U.S. government sources with knowledge of Russia’s weapons programs who spoke to the The Diplomat. The test took place at Russia’s Kapustin Yar missile test range and is the thirteenth to date involving the missile.

The test marks the first involving the Burevestnik in nearly one year. The missile had not been tested since February 2018. According to one source, U.S. intelligence assesses that Russia’s development efforts on the missile continues. The United States intelligence community internally calls the missile the KY30 or the SSC-X-9 SKYFALL.

The Burevestnik was first tested at Kapustin Yar in June 2016. According to U.S. military intelligence, only one test of the missile has been moderately successful to date. That test took place in November 2017 from Russia’s Pank’ovo test site in Novaya Zemlya and resulted in recovery mission involving specialized Russian ship crews to retrieve the missile’s debris and nuclear materials from the Barents Sea after a crash.

https://thediplomat.com/2019/02/russia-conducts-test-of-nuclear-powered-cruise-missile/

FROM AN AMERICAN SOURCE...SO BRING THE SALT!

From the same people who said that Russia could not possibly build an operational HGV... they have neither the technology or the funds....

pfftt.... what a bunch of know-nuffin idiots.

Source: The Petrel missile test successfully completed

It is noted that the tests confirmed the declared characteristics of the reactor, providing an unlimited range of the missile "

MOSCOW, February 16. / TASS /. Tests of a small-sized nuclear power plant for the “Petrel” cruise missile were successfully completed in Russia. This was reported by TASS source in the domestic rocket industry.

"In January, at one of the landfills, the most important stage of testing the cruise subsonic Burevestnik missile, the testing of a nuclear power plant, was successfully completed," the agency’s source said.

According to him, the tests confirmed the declared characteristics of the reactor, providing an unlimited range of the missile. "

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6124827

So its subsonic. There have to be more tests right?