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The report I read said that the explosion knocked several people into the water and so they did not report them as being dead until their bodies were recovered and their deaths confirmed... what bastards... hiding information like that from people of the west who have every right to know everything that they do...
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"Burevestnik" Nuclear-powered cruise missile
GarryB- Posts : 40545
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GarryB wrote:Well they might be pushing the performance to go from a subsonic nuclear ramjet powered missile to a hypersonic nuclear sramjet powered missile... shift from low altitude flight to high altitude flight but crank up the speed by a significant amount...
That would certainly be worth testing and working towards, with a potential result of a much more potent weapon... in fact early on in the cold war before ICBMs had been perfected there was a wide range of very long range cruise missiles that flew high but fast and remained in the atmosphere and were intended to be intercontinental nuclear weapons... having a nuclear powered hypersonic missile with unlimited range could lead to a return to such strategic cruise missiles... imagine an unlimited range hypersonic mach 8-10 cruise missile... you would not need strategic bombers or cruise missile carriers any more... it would make little point to fly them to launch areas at subsonic speeds and then launch them on their hypersonic missions to their targets... when you can launch them from airfields deep inside Russia at hypersonic speeds just after launch the other way around the planet towards their targets... they might take twice as long to get to the targets in a direct flight... perhaps one hour, but you could also fill them up with dozens of warheads that it can drop on the way too and it could fly around the US for years with its nuclear rocket engine switched to filthy to pollute their atmosphere as it flys around randomly releasing dirty small fission bombs... perhaps cobalt laced weapons.
If that is what they are developing, then more power to them. It looks like the test was essentially successful but there was
some sort of overheating that resulted in a fire that led to the explosion and loss of life. Seems they underestimated the heat
emission and not all the materials were up to spec. Or there was a fuel line leak. Instead of dick stroking with glee, western
chauvinists should be worried that Russia has opened up a whole new branch of nuclear propulsion which it is actively developing.
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Apparently they are now getting some village close by to be evacuated for another test coming up.
So I guess they got a second unit ready to go and doing same test. This time, on ground.
So I guess they got a second unit ready to go and doing same test. This time, on ground.
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https://twitter.com/ZivoUS/status/1161370140543541248?s=19
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I always said it was a waste of time and money to test such a thing and now our scientists are dead and the area radioactive. Someone must answer for this...
kvs- Posts : 15858
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Vladimir79 wrote:I always said it was a waste of time and money to test such a thing and now our scientists are dead and the area radioactive. Someone must answer for this...
There have been many deaths around the world pertaining to rocket and rocket engine development. Our scientist
would not be dead if NATO wasn't an insane military axis bent on world domination.
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Vladimir79 wrote:I always said it was a waste of time and money to test such a thing and now our scientists are dead and the area radioactive. Someone must answer for this...
Who should answer? Same scientist that came up with this project and who just got blown up?
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miketheterrible wrote:https://twitter.com/ZivoUS/status/1161370140543541248?s=19
I think Zivo could be right...I've heard other (knowledgeable) people suggest the same thing
PapaDragon wrote:Vladimir79 wrote:I always said it was a waste of time and money to test such a thing and now our scientists are dead and the area radioactive. Someone must answer for this...
Who should answer? Same scientist that came up with this project and who just got blown up?
Just guessing...I think he means Putin himself.
Personally I think they're right to develop these technologies
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More detailed description: https://lenta.ru/news/2019/08/13/burevestnik2/
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Tsavo Lion wrote:More detailed description: https://lenta.ru/news/2019/08/13/burevestnik2/
There is no freaking way that the Burevestnik propulsion system was the one being tested. Anyone who thinks that Putin
announced Burevestnik before it was operational is an idiot. If the Burevestnik uses an thermoelectric isotope power source
then there is no particular risk of it blowing up or even catching fire. There have been decades of such "reactors" produced
and how many accidents have you heard of?
The accident indicates that something different was being tested. Something outside the norm and collected data. It seems
that too much heat was generated which was not anticipated. Thermoelectric isotope generators can have their parameters
determined a priori based on the decay rate of the isotope and the energy of the decay products. If they did not have
this information, then they are testing a new concept that may be some sort of partial chain reaction based system. That
is, they are trying to get more power density out of a given weight of the generator. Isotope generators are rather weak.
By partial chain reaction I mean that no runaway melt down can happen, but the generator is more dirty with more than
one daughter product. This is the price you pay for fending off a rogue military axis.
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Vladimir79 wrote:I always said it was a waste of time and money to test such a thing and now our scientists are dead and the area radioactive. Someone must answer for this...
You're in France. They aren't your scientists. Add to that, people die anyways regardless what they do and such fields, dangers exist. People die on construction sites. So should Putin be held responsible for those deaths too? Get over yourself.
Anyway, as KVS said, it isn't the cruise missile that media proclaims it to be. Lenta and others just spew same nonsense cause it's media sensation and generates clicks. They have no idea what it was as much as anyone else due to the secrecy of project. Heck, their source is a Pavel podvig kinda guy they quoted from Facebook
journalism is a joke these days https://ria.ru/20190813/1557455080.html
As I said, whatever they are testing will continue to be tested.
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You can do all you can to minimise risks but with experimental systems comes potential for great leaps forward, but also great falls.
You can only guarantee never failing by never trying.
You can only guarantee never failing by never trying.
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Vladimir79 wrote:I always said it was a waste of time and money to test such a thing and now our scientists are dead and the area radioactive. Someone must answer for this...
Well as a weapon, its development is questionable as Kalibr/kh 101 will get ranges of 4000km and they have enough carriers for them to destroy the world 2 or 3 times.
But if they succeed to develop a nuclear engine it will be a huge step for them and humanity. Such engine could even be used in space crafts, and in my opinion 7th, 8th and 9th generation of fighters will be fighters that can travel in space and control the "roads" to the moon and other planets that will be colonized. Forget stealth idiocy.
If I were them I would immediately switch to a civilian engine of that thing. That way it would be bigger so easier to make. No need for hypersonic speed, no need for booster and no need for warheads so much safer.
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So GarryB, you think Russia is working on the nuclear power scramjet engine. It would be a very interesting project.
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Maybe this video be authenthic?
If yes, someone could learn something from the explosion?
https://youtu.be/PI2aroKAtNU
If yes, someone could learn something from the explosion?
https://youtu.be/PI2aroKAtNU
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Gibraltar wrote:Maybe this video be authenthic?
If yes, someone could learn something from the explosion?
https://youtu.be/PI2aroKAtNU
That's the explosion of a munnition depot few days before the explosion the missile.
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Even if this had something to do with Burevestnik and there were some problems... Who cares? The problems will be solved and in the meantime this system is not the only means of deterrence. Avangard and Kinzhal are in service. Poseidon and Zircon will join them soon. Sarmat is on track. Kaliber-M and the new ultra-long-range cruise missile for the Tu-160 are in development. And after Bolton/Pompeo canceled the INF treaty these cruise missiles can also be put on trucks.
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Jet breakthrough: “nuclear batteries” were tested near Severodvinsk
The explosion at the Nyonoks training range occurred during the development of a new propulsion system
The explosion at a training ground in the Arkhangelsk region, which claimed the lives of five Rosatom specialists on August 8, is not related to work on the Burevestnik missile. The accident occurred during the test, not of a rocket, but of a promising accelerator - a new liquid-propellant propulsion system, on board of which "nuclear batteries" were mounted, an Izvestia source in the military department said and two more sources in the defense industry confirmed. “ Batteries” on the military-industrial slang are called fundamentally new isotopic power sources. Despite the failure, development will continue.
Full article
https://iz.ru/910285/aleksei-ramm-roman-kretcul-aleksei-kozachenko/reaktivnyi-proryv-pod-severodvinskom-ispytyvalis-iadernye-batareiki
Not burevestnik.
The explosion at the Nyonoks training range occurred during the development of a new propulsion system
The explosion at a training ground in the Arkhangelsk region, which claimed the lives of five Rosatom specialists on August 8, is not related to work on the Burevestnik missile. The accident occurred during the test, not of a rocket, but of a promising accelerator - a new liquid-propellant propulsion system, on board of which "nuclear batteries" were mounted, an Izvestia source in the military department said and two more sources in the defense industry confirmed. “ Batteries” on the military-industrial slang are called fundamentally new isotopic power sources. Despite the failure, development will continue.
Full article
https://iz.ru/910285/aleksei-ramm-roman-kretcul-aleksei-kozachenko/reaktivnyi-proryv-pod-severodvinskom-ispytyvalis-iadernye-batareiki
Not burevestnik.
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Anything bleeding edge will eventually cut you. NASA had quite few disasters, but no one called for indefinite moratorium on space flights.
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An oppinion piece on the accident where they mention how it potentially works
it is not nuclear fission. Instead, there is a very active isotope, which creates a very high temperature, is directly converted into electricity. However, to dramatically change the trajectory of the missile to evade systems air and missile defense of potential enemy it needs a high specific impulse.
https://expert.ru/2019/08/14/burevestnik/
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Cyberspec wrote:An oppinion piece on the accident where they mention how it potentially works
it is not nuclear fission. Instead, there is a very active isotope, which creates a very high temperature, is directly converted into electricity. However, to dramatically change the trajectory of the missile to evade systems air and missile defense of potential enemy it needs a high specific impulse.
https://expert.ru/2019/08/14/burevestnik/
This has already been proven wrong. See above mention that it was not burevestnik.
Also, here is specialists in west
https://twitter.com/leon_elk/status/1161527173855031298?s=19
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miketheterrible wrote:Cyberspec wrote:An oppinion piece on the accident where they mention how it potentially works
it is not nuclear fission. Instead, there is a very active isotope, which creates a very high temperature, is directly converted into electricity. However, to dramatically change the trajectory of the missile to evade systems air and missile defense of potential enemy it needs a high specific impulse.
https://expert.ru/2019/08/14/burevestnik/
This has already been proven wrong. See above mention that it was not burevestnik.
Also, here is specialists in west
https://twitter.com/leon_elk/status/1161527173855031298?s=19
Where's MSNBC's preeminent Russkie expert, Rachel "The Bulldagger-Dyke" Madcow when you need her
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So, was a super RTG, fueled with nuclear steroids. And this things is aimed to instantly boost rocket thrust for quick evading manouvers. This means is a technology for the next-gen ICBMs and SLBMs. Wow. BTW there is a problem now. The more the isotope is active, the faster it decays. There are extremely active isotopes whose half-life is of ..seconds ..minutes ..hours ..days nothing to do with thousend miles years of some nuclear wastes. The thing to me assumes big proportions technically speaking. If they project to put in strategic stockpile such a thing,.means it would last 50 half-a-century at least. I say it whispering, maybe they found a new element or a new isotope with long lasting ultra-high activity. And if my atomic knowings are still good, this should be a super-heavy atom! Heavier than uranium, plutonium and cousins.
Anyone coming to same conclusions of mine?
Anyone coming to same conclusions of mine?
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So GarryB, you think Russia is working on the nuclear power scramjet engine. It would be a very interesting project.
It would combine two areas where they are pretty near putting in to service examples of such technology.
What is better than an unlimited range low flying subsonic cruise missile?
A high flying hypersonic cruise missile with unlimited range... for doomsday weapons having nuclear propulsion that will make the greenies shit themselves is actually a bonus and not a drawback... in fact if they can manage it a nuclear furnace producing a scramjet propulsion system could be used at very low altitude which would be even harder to intercept than a high flying missile flying faster... the air is super dense at low altitudes so if they can get a missile moving at mach 3 or 4 at near sea level it would be incredibly hard to stop because very few missiles move at that speed at low altitude.
The Americans had a low flying nuclear powered supersonic cruise missile in development in the 1960s but they cancelled it as too much of a dooms day weapon... it flew at low altitude at mach 3 and would kill people out in the open as it flew by just by its supersonic bow wave... it would cause damage just flying along, and if you switched from clean drive to dirty drive it could ruin the air as well... Russia could send some to fly around the US and EU for the next 50 to 100 years polluting the air and destroying buildings and people... at mach 4 it could be 1km away and then a second later it has blown past you...
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GarryB wrote:So GarryB, you think Russia is working on the nuclear power scramjet engine. It would be a very interesting project.
It would combine two areas where they are pretty near putting in to service examples of such technology.
What is better than an unlimited range low flying subsonic cruise missile?
A high flying hypersonic cruise missile with unlimited range... for doomsday weapons having nuclear propulsion that will make the greenies shit themselves is actually a bonus and not a drawback... in fact if they can manage it a nuclear furnace producing a scramjet propulsion system could be used at very low altitude which would be even harder to intercept than a high flying missile flying faster... the air is super dense at low altitudes so if they can get a missile moving at mach 3 or 4 at near sea level it would be incredibly hard to stop because very few missiles move at that speed at low altitude.
The Americans had a low flying nuclear powered supersonic cruise missile in development in the 1960s but they cancelled it as too much of a dooms day weapon... it flew at low altitude at mach 3 and would kill people out in the open as it flew by just by its supersonic bow wave... it would cause damage just flying along, and if you switched from clean drive to dirty drive it could ruin the air as well... Russia could send some to fly around the US and EU for the next 50 to 100 years polluting the air and destroying buildings and people... at mach 4 it could be 1km away and then a second later it has blown past you...
I don't think Russia would apply in a so obsolete weapon concept that USA could easily match resuming and updating a 60's skunky project. I assume also that a dirty drive nuclear cruise missile is one of that dr. Strangelove ideas that will have bad implication even with friendly countries. If they'll really do it will be a clean drive engine. Otherway it will make appear cold war yankee leaders as peace nobel prizes.