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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:23 am

    Maybe a chain of reasons play a role.
    Maybe they need the money somewhere else and don't consider it a bigger benefit compared with buying other systemes since they are also worried from USraels attack since they are threatening almost daily with war and they try to invest more in Anti-Air Defense.
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    Post  As Sa'iqa Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:05 pm

    Sorry for OT...

    Werewolf... it seems that you don't have much respect for either the US or Israel (hence you call them "USrael"). Can we know why? Israel is very unique. A true Diamond in a trash bin. A Garden of Eden surrounded by barren desert. An oasis of civility amidst the onslaught of savagery.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:14 pm

    You must have the insanity fever.

    The biggest theocrazy is Israel, all this bullshit talk about beeing the only democrazy while it is the exact opposite ruled by zionistic and ultraorthodox parties, forcing theocratic holidays and jewish laws even on non jews (atheists), an oasis of apartheid, killing black jews in ethiopia and a genocide against ethiopian jews via the use of "vaccines" as an requirement to travel to israel, while not telling that this "vaccine" makes women sterile, meaning an implemented birthcontrol forced on poor ethiopians who thought that they were equal to this so called ashkeNAZI jews, who think of themselfs as real jews.

    Israel is the biggest crime and rogue state in the entire Middle East and even Qatar and Saudi Arabia look like innocent pupies next to it.
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    Post  As Sa'iqa Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:23 pm

    Theocracy? Gotta remind you that there is a list of the most religiously intolerant countries in the world. The first place is of course North Korea. The next 9 places are occupied by countries adhering to some particular religion founded in 7th century.

    Israel and US aren't even in the first 20. That's why Arab Christians prefer Israel to any ME country. That's also why all Arab gay organisations meet in Israel.

    If according to you Saudi Arabia is a paradise compared to Israel, I have a question to you:
    - What happens when a person rejects the state religion in Saudi Arabia and what happens in Israel?
    - What happens when a women leaves home without her husband's permission in Saudi Arabia? What happens if a Jewish woman does the same in Israel?
    - What happens when some citizen criticizes the government of Saudi Arabia? What if some Israeli citizen criticizes Israeli government?

    I can give you dozens of such questions. Answers won't be favorable to Saudi Arabia.
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    Post  TR1 Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:36 pm

    As Sa'iqa wrote:Sorry for OT...

    Werewolf... it seems that you don't have much respect for either the US or Israel (hence you call them "USrael"). Can we know why? Israel is very unique. A true Diamond in a trash bin. A Garden of Eden surrounded by barren desert. An oasis of civility amidst the onslaught of savagery.

    Oh brother...one doesn't have to be an Israeli hater to roll eyes at this.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:54 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    As Sa'iqa wrote:Sorry for OT...

    Werewolf... it seems that you don't have much respect for either the US or Israel (hence you call them "USrael"). Can we know why? Israel is very unique. A true Diamond in a trash bin. A Garden of Eden surrounded by barren desert. An oasis of civility amidst the onslaught of savagery.

    Oh brother...one doesn't have to be an Israeli hater to roll eyes at this.

    I never thought, I'd ever agree with a Polish, but he's correct on this one. Israel managed to become one of the richest nations in the world, despite being in the state of war for majority of it's lifetime.
    There's no way that your average dictatorship could accomplish that.
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    Post  mack8 Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:32 pm

    Theocracy? Gotta remind you that there is a list of the most religiously intolerant countries in the world. The first place is of course North Korea. The next 9 places are occupied by countries adhering to some particular religion founded in 7th century.

    This is one of the few good things NK does, and what it should have been done, and should be done. All this religion crap must be relegated to the dustbin of history, it only created and creates huge suffering, conflict, discrimination, intolerance between BILLIONS of peoples. It's a cancer, be it islam, judaism, christianity and any other denominations in between, it's all brainwashing and manipulating rubbish. All the churches, mosques, Vatican, Mecca and whatnot should be razed to the ground and transformed into rubbish dumps. **** religion! Mad (i really need to go and burn some bibles and qurans and torahs to calm down)
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    Post  TR1 Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:47 pm

    You'd be burning human history. Might as well burn documents and histories of all the horrible governments mankind has had (most of them I would say).

    I value religion for interesting theological arguments and debates, and as a part of the human heritage.
    At this point though, dustbin for sure.
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    Post  Viktor Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:43 am

    And another one caught  Very Happy (they seems to like it)

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    on the other hand their women look meaner than man

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:45 am

    Viktor wrote:And another one caught  Very Happy (they seems to like it)

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    on the other hand their women look meaner than man

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:57 am

    As Sa'iqa wrote:Sorry for OT...

    Werewolf... it seems that you don't have much respect for either the US or Israel (hence you call them "USrael"). Can we know why? Israel is very unique. A true Diamond in a trash bin. A Garden of Eden surrounded by barren desert. An oasis of civility amidst the onslaught of savagery.

    If you believe Isrehell is so civil, then why would they steal nuclear secrets from their closest ally?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nuclear-arsenal


    Civility includes restricting interfaith marriage?

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/05/20135218450744543.html
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:04 am

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    As Sa'iqa wrote:Sorry for OT...

    Werewolf... it seems that you don't have much respect for either the US or Israel (hence you call them "USrael"). Can we know why? Israel is very unique. A true Diamond in a trash bin. A Garden of Eden surrounded by barren desert. An oasis of civility amidst the onslaught of savagery.

    Oh brother...one doesn't have to be an Israeli hater to roll eyes at this.

    I never thought, I'd ever agree with a Polish, but he's correct on this one. Israel managed to become one of the richest nations in the world, despite being in the state of war for majority of it's lifetime.
    There's no way that your average dictatorship could accomplish that.

    So billions in aid year-for-year, decade-for-decade played no part in the economic success?
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:45 am

    As Sa'iqa wrote:Theocracy? Gotta remind you that there is a list of the most religiously intolerant countries in the world. The first place is of course North Korea. The next 9 places are occupied by countries adhering to some particular religion founded in 7th century.

    Israel and US aren't even in the first 20. That's why Arab Christians prefer Israel to any ME country. That's also why all Arab gay organisations meet in Israel.

    If according to you Saudi Arabia is a paradise compared to Israel, I have a question to you:
    - What happens when a person rejects the state religion in Saudi Arabia and what happens in Israel?
    - What happens when a women leaves home without her husband's permission in Saudi Arabia? What happens if a Jewish woman does the same in Israel?
    - What happens when some citizen criticizes the government of Saudi Arabia? What if some Israeli citizen criticizes Israeli government?

    I can give you dozens of such questions. Answers won't be favorable to Saudi Arabia.

    You must be one insane person to call North Korea a theocracy. Seriously, NK a theocracy? The so called "Communist State" at same time Theocratic?

    It's like saying an decapicated person can still think.

    Who is the trouble maker in the ME, who is guilty breaking at least 65 UN Resolutions, committing 2 genocides at least and pushing its own leashed dog the USA onto suvereign small countries like Iraq,Iran,Syria,Lebanon and other countries. Always this countries are attacked for "Human rights" that the USrael never gives a shit about especially jews since they call by Noah's law all non jews (gentiles) subhumans.  For all of you who role their eyes, because ohh he must be Anti-semit....

    Here quotes from jews law Talmud.

    The decisions of the Talmud are words of the living God. Jehovah himself asks the opinions of earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven. wrote:

    Sanhedrin 59a

    To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.




    That is why jews always tell they are only jewish by Judaism (old testament) not by Talmud.


    Sanhedrin 58b [In other words, if a non-Jew kills a Jew, the non-Jew can be killed. Punching an Israelite is akin to assaulting God. (But killing a non-Jew is NOT like assaulting God.] wrote:

    The older a religion gets the more fanatic,facistic and crueler it gets.

    When you call muslim countries as less civilized when it comes to tolerance than compared with jews than you only fool yourself.

    The most hatefull religion is abrahamic root who call the thing to what they pray god while christians and muslims are stupid enough to pray to the same god that was invented by hatefull jews that call all non jews (goyim's/gentiles) subhumans, less worth than animals.


    But yes Israel is so civilized with its ongoing genocides against black jews in ethiopia and palestinians in the biggest concentration camp on earth in human history.



    PS: Israel would not even survive a half year without the free money they get from USA,Germany and dozens of other countries especially under jew controlled Central Banks like the FED and ECB in EU.

    Alone their military maintenance cost by far surpass their own income.
    9 Mio. People can't get more money only by taxes to make their country economically succesful.
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    Post  medo Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:37 pm

    Viktor wrote:And another one caught  Very Happy (they seems to like it)

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    on the other hand their women look meaner than man

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    It seems jihadists really like to crossdress. Maybe this are their virgins or they kill to many woman and now someone have to replace them.
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    Post  collegeboy16 Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:10 pm

    nah, these guys are just scared sh!tless of their women, must be inferiority complex and stuff so they do all kinds of things to hinder womens development.
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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:40 am

    The political games continue....

    Iran invited to Geneva 2, Syrian opposition threatens to withdraw



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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:38 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    As Sa'iqa wrote:Sorry for OT...

    Werewolf... it seems that you don't have much respect for either the US or Israel (hence you call them "USrael"). Can we know why? Israel is very unique. A true Diamond in a trash bin. A Garden of Eden surrounded by barren desert. An oasis of civility amidst the onslaught of savagery.

    If you believe Isrehell is so civil, then why would they steal nuclear secrets from their closest ally?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nuclear-arsenal


    Civility includes restricting interfaith marriage?

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/05/20135218450744543.html


    If your still on the fence whether you believe the Israel govt. is morally bankrupt or not, here's another gem I dug up via the Wallstreet Journal which the subject is based on how the Israel Defense Force created Hamas for their own purposes, their so called eternal enemy:

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847
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    Post  Pyrrus Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:00 am

    another version of the map illustrating the recent situation in Syria. Sorry for the poor quality, I couldn't find better one.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:46 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Here quotes from jews law Talmud.

    The decisions of the Talmud are words of the living God. Jehovah himself asks the opinions of earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven. wrote:

    Sanhedrin 59a

    To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

    That is why jews always tell they are only jewish by Judaism (old testament) not by Talmud.

    Sanhedrin 58b [In other words, if a non-Jew kills a Jew, the non-Jew can be killed. Punching an Israelite is akin to assaulting God. (But killing a non-Jew is NOT like assaulting God.] wrote:

    The older a religion gets the more fanatic,facistic and crueler it gets.

    When you call muslim countries as less civilized when it comes to tolerance than compared with jews than you only fool yourself.

    The most hatefull religion is abrahamic root who call the thing to what they pray god while christians and muslims are stupid enough to pray to the same god that was invented by hatefull jews that call all non jews (goyim's/gentiles) subhumans, less worth than animals.

    Pretty much.

    You don't even have to look at the Talmud, or the Kabalah, or the Qur'an or anything like this.

    Take a closer look at the Old Testament instead, examine it closely. It's common for Jews, Christians and Muslims alike - and yet it's worse than any of the texts you mentioned above.

    God testing his prophet by telling them to commit infanticide against his own son, razing a whole city of people to the ground as well as some people who got in the way because it was full of mainly alcholoics, gamblers, homosexuals and womanizers (none of it even a crime these days), flooding the entire Earth and committing genocide against the human race and all other life

    Well here's an interpretation at any rate, don't agree with everything but anyway: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/ot_list.html

    But that's somewhat the point I guess. Religion was beneficial because it gave laws to society and defined acceptable behaviors, morals in wider society. Each of the brutalities, fatalities, finish him's! in the Old Testament has a lesson to teach. And the stuff in there is not really meant to be taken literally. It's mostly just full of harsh lessons for what happens to you if you don't behave the right way - but as a deterrent, rather than being the actual point of it.

    I think the difference ultimately between people who understand religion, and those who don't - is how they interpret those lessons and derive their behavior from them (if they do at all).
    Throughout history, you had plenty of people who used religion to justify brutality. You still do, albeit less and less, as religion in general loses its importance.
    But the amount of people who truly understood what their religion was trying to tell them, and interpreted it as a philosophy of how to live your life in such a way that you bring good to yourself and those around you, rather than negative stuff - has pretty much remained stable over the millenia.
    It's always been a fairly small selection of people, who genuinely do adopt the lessons of their religion into their life, act peacefully and so on. But they were found then, and they can be found now.

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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:59 am

    Here is the DEATH TOLL List God vs Satan.

    http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Page22.htm

    399,933 + ? -- Total killed by God!

    2,017,956 + ? -- Total killed by God's followers under his orders!

    And all the cities are not counted in but marked with ?, which the figure was mentioned by an atheist show was about 25.5 million people overall with the historical documented numbers of those cities.

    =
    2,417,889 + ? people killed by God and his followers under his orders PLUS an unknown amount which probably number into the millions, including the whole world at the time of Noah, and over 60 whole cities!

    Killed by Satan



    ? -- Satan killed Job's children after God gave him permission to.



    For the part of Bible as a moral codex or at least a help to find moral guide in your life, i think everyone who isn't insane or has some real bad psychological malfunctions can understand one logical simple rule that has always been true. Action means always Reactions.

    Treat people only like you want to be treated and i think no one needs an ancient book to tell him such obvious things.

    Also religion is responsible for many things not just killing each other,supremacy and others, one of the biggest things that fueled this nonsense and all crimes came along were that scepticals were killed and noone even dared to think different not to be killed. Don't question, he said they are infidels so we kill them that our God can love us.

    Religion is stupid itself.
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    Post  As Sa'iqa Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:15 am

    I laugh hard then I see people who, when shown violence in Muslim texts, turn around and bring up violence in the Bible...  The Bible isn't a literal word of god that has to be followed by all people for all times. It's simply a collection of fables (most Jews and Christians treat it as such), written by humans whow ere inspired by god but still fallible (as we all generally are).  So Jews and Christians can reject that violence as error of the scribes or simply historical anachronism.

    Muslims can't do the same with their own texts - The Quran is a literal, unchanging word of God and hadith and sira are sources describing the life of the "prophet" who is by definition, perfect. Every single law prescribed by him, be it stoning adulterers to death or executing apostates, must be followed and approved by all Muslims for all times and can't be changed.

    And the world today has no place for such an ideology, no matter Sunni oe Shiite nonsense... It must share the fate of communism and national socialism. It must be fought with all means necessary and ultimately, cast into the abyss of the past, forever.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:52 am

    What a nonsense, Gods word is unchanging that is what the god damn stupid alt testament is all about and who's religion is the old testament where god kills millions?
    Jewish and Christian.
    And for sure you have never read the Quran, where i can ensure you that in the bible says more about how women should dress, how gay people have to be treated and all that bs have been treated in christianity and judaism for centuries. It was not Christians or Jews effort to rot out this stupid biblical bullshit to kill women and gays for not following dogmatic this bullshit written on paper. It was the effort of those who stood up agaisnt the Church and those who wanted new reforms and have broken the unlazistic state they were living in.

    Only Theocratic countries live by quran the rest is not bound by law to this stuff.

    So don't come with your anti-muslim agenta which was reinforced since 2001 to envile muslims as the new "evil" after Soviet Union fell apart.

    If all those over 1bln muslims would be exactly that violent as the Jew controlled west tries to portrait there would no jews be in existence that we could tell off.

    Muslims and Arabs have protected jews from christians and their crusades for centuries, they are responsible that they still had a place in the arab world.
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    Post  As Sa'iqa Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:08 pm

    1. Muhammad did little to guarantee security to Jews and Christians. When on his deathbed, he issued an order to expel all Jews and Christians from Arabia... Not to mention the fact that he turned Mecca from a tolerant, pluralistic city into one of only two cities in the world which can be entered by members of only a single religion (the second city is of course Medina).

    2. the Quran isn't the only source of truth for Muslims... There are also hadith and biographies of Muhammad which are equally important. Just read the biography of that guy written by Ibn Hisham or Al Tabari and you will know more about him than 95% of self declared "Muslims". I don't know what about Al Tabari but Ibn Hisham's version is censored... He censored out some fragments becsuse they were too gruesome to be included in the book.

    3. We have the right to envile whoever we want to. We envile USSR and it's wicked ideology because everywhere where communism seized power, casualties were counted in millions. We envile Muslims because they may do the same thing to us. The price is not only our culture and civilization but also our very survival in the biological sense. What do you think will happen if Assad loses power? Do you think that all these Syrian Christians and Alawites will keep living comfortably?
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:23 pm

    What do you think during the live time of Muhammed all arab world was already babtized to islamic beliefes?
    Do you really believe that as soon someone who calls himself or at least today is called a prophet that the entire world turns to this religios beliefes?
    It took centuries to establish this religions beyond their original birth place and the few villages and cities around it.

    So he obviously couldn't convince people for making so, since during his lifetime he was no big fish, today he is in the muslim world the islamic jesus.
    Do you believe that even todays or back than hardcore christians would treat jesus to the image they have in their had about him?

    Reality and the romantic image religios people have about their prophets would vary that much that they wouldn't treat the original better than anybody else, actually they would do the opposite and deny his existence or whatever and be actually eager for violance that someone dares to speak blasephemies about their pictured prophet.


    Thank you for showing your true Roman spirit, to envile someone to give your own sick mind a justification that the other one is the bad guy not you that you don't need to deal with moral conflicts.

    You never did anything wrong, your group,religion,country,political orientated comerades have never done anything wrong, specially considering your polish heritage.
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    Post  As Sa'iqa Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:04 pm

    In 100 years they conquered roughly 1/5 of the world. And by the time of Muhammad's death he was a powerful warlord (), controlling all of Arabia. Of course he did not gain his power peacefully but by the vilest methods - including beheading entire tribes, raiding unprepared, unarmed civilians in the middle of the night, and assassinating his critics. One woman had her child pulled off her breast before being slashed with a sword - just because she wrote poems mocking him. I don't know what about you but for me the very fact that this fella felt threatened by a mere poet to the point of ordering her assassination proves that he wasn't any spiritual figure but a common thug and a ruthless vanquisher.

    There is no problem if someone is just a nominal Muslim... such as those found in Bosnia. The problem begins when people start learning more about this "religion" and start taking it's teachings seriously. The price for treating it as "just another religion" may be felt by everyone, including you. When a person surrenders his intelligence to a cult, there is nothing he won’t do. He could commit murder, assassination and suicide. He would allow his own little daughter to be raped. He would even let his wife have sex with his guru. Our difference with animals is in our capacity to distinguish right from wrong. When someone loses that capacity and instead of right and wrong concerns himself with haram and halal, he is no more a human but a brainless zombie. Today many think this is not a politically correct thing to say. Tomorrow everyone will agree with me after paying a heavy price. When you follow the hateful teachings of Muhammad to the extent that you shun even your own parents you lose your humanity and become a beast. You could one day hear that your friend or family member has been involved in a suicide bombing. Converts are encouraged more and are more likely to become suicide bombers.

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