Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #7

Werewolf wrote:

Shadåw wrote:
Not to mention we..can slap the battle-tested mark on those birds and equipment! Which we know certain elements like to brag about that theirs are.

But, but, but they are not 3rd largest army in the world!!! Owa's izh till betta!

B-but..worlds largest terrorist organisation must count for something! That and various proxies and what not in this landscape.

Now. Turkish F-16s has AIM-120C7..on the other side of the border in Syria is Su-35S with R-77-1.

My current reaction.

Let them fight

Also new map from Petro over Daraa Governorate.

Shadåw wrote:My current reaction.

Let them fight

+1, dis:



(not relevant to missile loadout, but still good pic)

Shadåw wrote:
Also new map from Petro over Daraa Governorate.

What's the story on that IS enclave next to Golan and Jordan on the SW?
How the **** does this make any sense?

Russia Is Preparing the Syrian Army to Repel Any Turkish Incursion

Abdullah Al-Muhaysini runs the judicial system in Aleppo, so how is it that Kerry is defending The Army of Conquest’s (Jaish al-Fateh) control on the city?

Translated by Sufyan Jan for Fort Russ via @O_Rich_
https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2016/02/06/russia-is-preparing-the-syrian-army-to-repel-any-turkish-incursion/

KiloGolf wrote:

Shadåw wrote:
Also new map from Petro over Daraa Governorate.

What's the story on that IS enclave next to Golan and Jordan on the SW?
How the **** does this make any sense?

In the green Insurgent area there are at least 6 different groups also...In all of Syria there are over 100 different "rebel" fractions. Part of the madness that is.

d_taddei2 wrote:with all this equipment Russia is bringing to the Syrian battlefield its obvious that this is a show strength and the capability of its systems in the hope to attract sales as well to battle test its newer equipment, what i am hoping to see next is Ka-52, Mi-28, Mig-29M2, Iskander, BMP-3, Tornado systems, and it would be nice to see the Yak-130 armed carrying out some missions it would be a good demo of what it can do.

I don't think this is Russia trying to show off its new equipment for sales purposes or any other.

They are doing what they have to.

Before the Su-24 was shot down and its pilot murdered and one of those rescuing the other crewman was murdered they clearly did not want to rock the boat by upsetting the Turkish with air to air armed aircraft flying all over the place.

Of course after the Turkish shot down one of their aircraft then they immediately introduced systems to protect their assets in the region.

An S-400 means they don't need to enter turkish air space to take out an aggressive turkish pilot shooting at Russian or Syrian aircraft... and I suspect there would not be much the Turkish could do about an incoming S-400 once it is launched... except perhaps eject.

Having Su-35s is as clear a message as operating Su-24s without escort and without self defence systems.

The first message was we don't want to step on your toes... we are no threat to Turkey.

Clearly Erdogan thinks parts of northern Syria are now turkish so he had a Russian aircraft shot down.

Clearly the response by Russia is to introduce S-400 on land... likely Rif-M at sea, and Su-35 in the air to make that an undesirable option for the future...

A lot of systems the Russians could send would not be much value for Syria...

Other systems that would be nice to see would be

2S19 Msta,
2S23 Nona-SVK,
2S31 Vena,
BMPT Terminator,
Khrizantema (AT-15),
BMPT
Kornet D
Kamaz Typhoon family including the Ural Typhoon.

and just for some show of destructive power deploy the 2S4 Tyulpan and 2S7 Pion

I would agree with BMPT, if only to test the effectiveness of various armament combinations.

I would not bother with Kornet and Krisantema... most of the enemy targets are positions rather than armoured vehicles. Their most common target would be a toyota ute, for which konkurs and metis with HEFrag warheads are perfectly adequate.

regarding artillery Nona would be useful, but I am sure they would have plenty of reserve towed and self propelled guns they could pass on to Syria. Modern smart phones would be good enough to make the aiming calculations... together with google maps...

I would think the conflict in Syria would be a good opportunity to test some UAVs and UCAVs in real combat situations... and in that case Kornet and Krisantema would be ideal as they don't drag wires...[/quote]
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Anyone remember when the Formerly Seen Alive were gloating back in 2013, and taunting Russia and Iran?




...and their Western cuckolds (recent):

Big T-90A write up. Much more at link

For the first time, the Syrian Army used Russian-made T-90A tanks in combat. Their baptism by fire took place near the city of Aleppo. The T-90A, one of Russia’s most advanced weapons, went through its baptism by fire in service with the Syrian armed forces. Earlier, it was reported by Turkish and Iranian media, and then the Russian Defense Minister confirmed the fact.

The Turkish pro-government newspaper Yeni Safak reported, citing a military commander, that over 80 T-72 and T-90 tanks were spotted in combat north of Aleppo. The report also read that Syrian forces backed by Russian jets took control over the towns of Nubul and Zehra, north of Aleppo.

Meanwhile, Syrian T-90s in action near Aleppo were then reported by Iran’s FARS news agency on February 2. According to the agency, T-90 tanks were deployed near the town of Khan Tuman, south of Aleppo, after the Syrian Army regained control over the town in December. Using the advantages of the T-90 tank, the Syrian Army alongside its allies surrounded the strategic towns of Khan Tuman and Al-Karassi, along the Aleppo-Damascus highway, a military source told FARS News.

However, the first news about delivering T-90 tanks to the mechanized division of the Syrian Army came on November 29, 2015. At the time, Russia neither confirmed nor denied it.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160207/1034370535/t-90-tanks-syria.html#ixzz3zUnwZRO7

TO be Honest the WAPO piece was an opinion hackjob by two guys that should never be in a Press Staff. IE a former Marine and Andrew Roth. AKA cheer for Maidan.

It's idiotic to say that Russian military wouldn't turn the tide in this war. It's only what are looking at that is absolutely baffling.

We're having very decent Sortie tempo from "rust buckets". We're having very high casualty rate from decapitation missions. We're having a very systematic application of a no captives style of policy from Russia. Which is exactly what a military option is supposed to look like and also a very low footprint from the VKS.

In Libya a F15 went down as soon as the operation started a F16 crashed a month later and the French had all kinds of troubles with their sortie rates. It got significantly better when the Helicopters came by.

On the operational side of the deal it's going so smoothly that I have my doubts about what we're witnessing here. A re-foundation of the Russian military ethic or a very well oiled maskirovka. In both cases it really works and is what's making the EU soil its pants. Yeah, basically the Eagle has landed, just not the bald one.

On the strategical side, there's my only open issue. Russia doesn't want to commit troops. I understand. And can't blame them for that. But the crux of the matter is that they need to put some kind of cohesive unit possibly in a couple months time to test some tactical gambits they've made.

1. Aleppo shaping.
2. Homs/Hama probing.
3. Relative sparing of the Southern Front.
4. ISIS solution (final if applicable).

JohninMK wrote:Big T-90A write up. Much more at link

For the first time, the Syrian Army used Russian-made T-90A tanks in combat. Their baptism by fire took place near the city of Aleppo. The T-90A, one of Russia’s most advanced weapons, went through its baptism by fire in service with the Syrian armed forces. Earlier, it was reported by Turkish and Iranian media, and then the Russian Defense Minister confirmed the fact.

The Turkish pro-government newspaper Yeni Safak reported, citing a military commander, that over 80 T-72 and T-90 tanks were spotted in combat north of Aleppo. The report also read that Syrian forces backed by Russian jets took control over the towns of Nubul and Zehra, north of Aleppo.

Meanwhile, Syrian T-90s in action near Aleppo were then reported by Iran’s FARS news agency on February 2. According to the agency, T-90 tanks were deployed near the town of Khan Tuman, south of Aleppo, after the Syrian Army regained control over the town in December. Using the advantages of the T-90 tank, the Syrian Army alongside its allies surrounded the strategic towns of Khan Tuman and Al-Karassi, along the Aleppo-Damascus highway, a military source told FARS News.

However, the first news about delivering T-90 tanks to the mechanized division of the Syrian Army came on November 29, 2015. At the time, Russia neither confirmed nor denied it.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160207/1034370535/t-90-tanks-syria.html#ixzz3zUnwZRO7

From that Sputnik link

"The principal task now is to neutralize threats to two western regions – Latakia and Tartus. If Latakia falls it would deal a serious blow to [Syrian President Bashar] Assad’s position and would complicate the Russian aerial operation," Ramm pointed out.

What is more, now an offensive is also underway against militants in the enclave of Salma. Tanks are not enough in this mountainous area, where ground forces backed by aviation are needed.

"If Salma and Aleppo are liberated Turkey will not be able to deliver supplies to terrorists," he said.

Seriously, what are the guys writing reports doing in front of their PC. Do they not have any internet or are they writing from their confinement cell??
A 7th Feb 2016 article taking about taking Salma from the moderate terrorists and fear about loosing Latakia.

Actually the BS is stronger with the TOW numbers (9000 isn't even the whole ATGM inventory)

There were plans to deliver about 4000 units over the whole MOC (according to PRO-FSA sources). So far I count somewhere around 1000/1200 (since early 2014) Before that a good portion of the ATGM's was Ex-Soviet/Chinese and in confidential numbers. Ironically the US has bought from Bulgaria and Romania about 600 and 400 Fagot/Konkurs missiles.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Book. wrote:

Russia T90 the SAA

Intersting thing to note is that one guy right in front of the tank is in woodland camo heavily employed by SAA, but his hair is blonde.

There are Syrian guys with similar blonde hair.

Dima wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Book. wrote:

Russia T90 the SAA

Intersting thing to note is that one guy right in front of the tank is in woodland camo heavily employed by SAA, but his hair is blonde.

There are Syrian guys with similar blonde hair.

There's also Syrians with red hair, there's also Syrians with blue eyes, like Bashar.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Actually the BS is stronger with the TOW numbers (9000 isn't even the whole ATGM inventory)

There were plans to deliver about 4000 units over the whole MOC (according to PRO-FSA sources). So far I count somewhere around 1000/1200 (since early 2014) Before that a good portion of the ATGM's was Ex-Soviet/Chinese and in confidential numbers. Ironically the US has bought from Bulgaria and Romania about 600 and 400 Fagot/Konkurs missiles.

Approx in what numbers were the TOWs and other ATGMs delivered in total?
The supplies might have stopped now since the Russians gate crashed the western party.

Dima wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Actually the BS is stronger with the TOW numbers (9000 isn't even the whole ATGM inventory)

There were plans to deliver about 4000 units over the whole MOC (according to PRO-FSA sources). So far I count somewhere around 1000/1200 (since early 2014) Before that a good portion of the ATGM's was Ex-Soviet/Chinese and in confidential numbers. Ironically the US has bought from Bulgaria and Romania about 600 and 400 Fagot/Konkurs missiles.

Approx in what numbers were the TOWs and other ATGMs delivered in total?
The supplies might have stopped now since the Russians gate crashed the western party.

If we go by the counted fired tubes, there's about 1500+ delivered to the beheaders (Tubes are trickled down by 50/100 batches and according to tactical situation). I count basically about 80/100 tubes a month starting from April 2014. Some have been captured (the most recent case was in Rityan where two TOW tubes were captured) some have been duds. Most of them fired with a lot of hits. Not all of them fatal or worthy, but who cares.

There have been all sorts of TOWs (US invetory, KSA, Turkish, Jordanian etc). Supplies haven't stopped. After a very poor month of January, the TOWs have been back in February (already 20 fired in a week) mostly because the Turks have found another way to deliver them. Most intriguing is the number of TOWs in Souther Syria. Usually 6 a month, they've fired already 4 the first week of February.

Jordan playing games?

KoTeMoRe wrote:Actually the BS is stronger with the TOW numbers (9000 isn't even the whole ATGM inventory)

There were plans to deliver about 4000 units over the whole MOC (according to PRO-FSA sources). So far I count somewhere around 1000/1200 (since early 2014) Before that a good portion of the ATGM's was Ex-Soviet/Chinese and in confidential numbers. Ironically the US has bought from Bulgaria and Romania about 600 and 400 Fagot/Konkurs missiles.

Do not forget Malyutkas and Fagots from Croatia.

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Actually the BS is stronger with the TOW numbers (9000 isn't even the whole ATGM inventory)

There were plans to deliver about 4000 units over the whole MOC (according to PRO-FSA sources). So far I count somewhere around 1000/1200 (since early 2014) Before that a good portion of the ATGM's was Ex-Soviet/Chinese and in confidential numbers. Ironically the US has bought from Bulgaria and Romania about 600 and 400 Fagot/Konkurs missiles.

Do not forget Malyutkas and Fagots from Croatia.

No body's forgetting the teacher's pet.

KoTeMoRe wrote:If we go by the counted fired tubes, there's about 1500+ delivered to the beheaders (Tubes are trickled down by 50/100 batches and according to tactical situation). I count basically about 80/100 tubes a month starting from April 2014. Some have been captured (the most recent case was in Rityan where two TOW tubes were captured) some have been duds. Most of them fired with a lot of hits. Not all of them fatal or worthy, but who cares.

There have been all sorts of TOWs (US invetory, KSA, Turkish, Jordanian etc). Supplies haven't stopped. After a very poor month of January, the TOWs have been back in February (already 20 fired in a week) mostly because the Turks have found another way to deliver them. Most intriguing is the number of TOWs in Souther Syria. Usually 6 a month, they've fired already 4 the first week of February.

Jordan playing games?

Jordan probably yes but maybe outside of the official mandate (?). But south is not bordered just by Jordan, Israel has been another $hit supporting terrorist inside Syria.
Btw, hope none of the newer RPG-32 whose production/assembly started in Jordan with Russian assistance last year (?) or earlier do not find its way to the terrorists.

Dima wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:If we go by the counted fired tubes, there's about 1500+ delivered to the beheaders (Tubes are trickled down by 50/100 batches and according to tactical situation). I count basically about 80/100 tubes a month starting from April 2014. Some have been captured (the most recent case was in Rityan where two TOW tubes were captured) some have been duds. Most of them fired with a lot of hits. Not all of them fatal or worthy, but who cares.

There have been all sorts of TOWs (US invetory, KSA, Turkish, Jordanian etc). Supplies haven't stopped. After a very poor month of January, the TOWs have been back in February (already 20 fired in a week) mostly because the Turks have found another way to deliver them. Most intriguing is the number of TOWs in Souther Syria. Usually 6 a month, they've fired already 4 the first week of February.

Jordan playing games?

Jordan probably yes but maybe outside of the official mandate (?). But south is not bordered just by Jordan, Israel has been another $hit supporting terrorist inside Syria.
Btw, hope none of the newer RPG-32 whose production/assembly started in Jordan with Russian assistance last year (?) or earlier do not find its way to the terrorists.

Even with the Hashem the AFV tactical environment wouldn't change that much. The only supplemental threat would come from remote controlled ATGM's, like the Ukro-Belarussian Skiff/Baryer. Many want the Javelin but that's just silly. Ironically the Javelin is less conspicuous than the TOW.

Wonderful Butthurt.

Top Class 48 karat golden tears.

http://europe.newsweek.com/west-looks-putin-steals-military-victory-syria-423568?rm=eu

Dingo Putin stole the baby.

Syrian-Turkish border, guess sides xD