[Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

What im really intersted is how fast it accelerate and how fast is it's reverse speed.

Regular wrote:What im really intersted is how fast it accelerate and how fast is it's reverse speed.

Since it has automatic gearbox it should know have much more speed and acceleration in both directions, not like manual shifting and only one speed for reverse.

Werewolf wrote:

Regular wrote:What im really intersted is how fast it accelerate and how fast is it's reverse speed.

Since it has automatic gearbox it should know have much more speed and acceleration in both directions, not like manual shifting and only one speed for reverse.

Yes, it's said that automatic transmission will even improve maneuverability automatically handling gears for needed turn ratio. X engine of Armata is very promising too. And if it does have suspension elevation like BMD, then I can imagine would be perfect in hull down position.

from otvaga:

collegeboy16 wrote:from otvaga:

Its not the official ones, right?

Like the T-50 to Su-27......Armata in flesh and soul is Russian to the core. The only tank it resembles is Russian. Also with that outer shell lightened I get the feel of a T-90...

Regular wrote:What im really intersted is how fast it accelerate and how fast is it's reverse speed.

Don't worry, its not anemic like every soviet MBT before it.

Transmission is not stone age anymore.

http://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=60226

Intersting info from Alex, overall a relatively reliable "insider":

-152mm WILL be on the tank, but not right away. And it will be electrochemical, and has already been financed by the MOD.
-Tanks are not final products, half of the ones already made will be sent to Kubinka to be flogged the other back to UVZ. This includes the T-15.
-Protection.....make of this what you will, but I just translating what he said:
-traditional ERA has become outdated in terms of potential
-instead they will use 'electro, plasma polymers, graphene" <--------anyone with a background should comment here.
-APS will be very advanced, multi-shot, with automatic reloading.
-Electrical transmission
-Claims crew in the next 5-6 years will be cut down to 2- FOR SURE.
-45mm has been chosen as firm replacement for 30mm- already has started testing with new rounds- YAY
-Armata program so far has full funding, no sequester.

Anyways yeah.
The guy has generally been proven more right than GurKhan has in their big Armata debate....how much of the above will come to fruition I cannot say.

-instead they will use 'electro, plasma polymers, graphene" <--------anyone with a background should comment here.

Sounds like sensetionalistic bullshit.

Electronmagnetic armor isn't possible at this point, we lack the generator to even give us enough power, so there is no basis there. Russia does has compact electromagnetic generators but not enough power. If it is meant as an EMP field to be used to screw up electromagnetic and guided ammunition then it would be of limited use.

-Plasma in theory great in practical terms unlikely to be seen in near future nor will it have anywhere near the performance of ERA. In theory Plasma armor, is nothing else but Tesla like coils vaporizing incoming projectiles, which is hard to get since the electric induced plasma needs specific power and time to have to affect the projectile which i doubt that the technology is that developed.

-Graphene is one of the hardest materials and the lightest at the same time, we can artificial produce it but freaking expensive and in very low quantities, however it similiar to ceramic in that regard of how bridle it is.

If that would be true, there wouldn't be Afghanistan APS with tubes on the Armata tank, if any of those "armors" would be true NII Stali wouldn't be developing Relikt and introducing it to vehicles.

Not sure if this link has been posted before, but lots of high quality pictures of the new vehicles from V. Kuzmin:
http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/601

T-15's backside.

Not sure if this link has been posted before, but lots of high quality pictures of the new vehicles from V. Kuzmin:
http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/601

At a glance nothing groundbreaking. Still that's a good selection of photos.

There are some differences on the Boomerang's glacis, from vehicle to vehicle.

Zivo wrote:T-15's backside.

Not sure if this link has been posted before, but lots of high quality pictures of the new vehicles from V. Kuzmin:
http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/601

At a glance nothing groundbreaking. Still that's a good selection of photos.

Haha I can see these photos being used to prove Russian army presence in Ukraine.

Zivo wrote:T-15's backside.

At a glance nothing groundbreaking. Still that's a good selection of photos.

Finally, at least a blury glance of the back of T-15..

Meanwhile model-makers @Otvaga forum strike again!

Animated 3d view. GIF:

TR1 wrote:There are some differences on the Boomerang's glacis, from vehicle to vehicle.

Some appear to have a currently unused bracket system for mounting something next to the driver's hatch.

TR1 wrote:http://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=60226

Intersting info from Alex, overall a relatively reliable "insider":

-152mm WILL be on the tank, but not right away. And it will be electrochemical, and has already been financed by the MOD.
-Tanks are not final products, half of the ones already made will be sent to Kubinka to be flogged the other back to UVZ. This includes the T-15.
-Protection.....make of this what you will, but I just translating what he said:
-traditional  ERA has become outdated in terms of potential
-instead they will use 'electro, plasma polymers, graphene" <--------anyone with a background should comment here.
-APS will be very advanced, multi-shot, with automatic reloading.
-Electrical transmission
-Claims crew in the next 5-6 years will be cut down to 2- FOR SURE.
-45mm has been chosen as firm replacement for 30mm- already has started testing with new rounds- YAY
-Armata program so far has full funding, no sequester.

Anyways yeah.
The guy has generally been proven more right than GurKhan has in their big Armata debate....how much of the above will come to fruition I cannot say.

Like a dream if were true...

BTW, can you clarify "-Electrical transmission" does he mean Armata has it now or in the future?

Zivo wrote:

TR1 wrote:There are some differences on the Boomerang's glacis, from vehicle to vehicle.

Some appear to have a currently unused bracket system for mounting something next to the driver's hatch.

AND mounts for thicker armor plates (size of those bolts is bigger).

TR1 wrote:http://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=60226

Intersting info from Alex, overall a relatively reliable "insider":

-152mm WILL be on the tank, but not right away. And it will be electrochemical, and has already been financed by the MOD.
-Tanks are not final products, half of the ones already made will be sent to Kubinka to be flogged the other back to UVZ. This includes the T-15.
-Protection.....make of this what you will, but I just translating what he said:
-traditional  ERA has become outdated in terms of potential
-instead they will use 'electro, plasma polymers, graphene" <--------anyone with a background should comment here.
-APS will be very advanced, multi-shot, with automatic reloading.
-Electrical transmission
-Claims crew in the next 5-6 years will be cut down to 2- FOR SURE.
-45mm has been chosen as firm replacement for 30mm- already has started testing with new rounds- YAY
-Armata program so far has full funding, no sequester.

Anyways yeah.
The guy has generally been proven more right than GurKhan has in their big Armata debate....how much of the above will come to fruition I cannot say.

ETC.. interesting, though i don't really see advantages on it over conventional gun we have today.

Electro, plasma polymer and graphene might refers to a new composite armor array AND some sort of "Electric reactive armor" That electric one works against shaped charge by inducing magnetic field, messing with the jet's structure.

2 man tank would be very interesting, it would means highly automated tank with computer as the gunner, commander will only need to "point where to shoot" Or sort of advanced networking, where friendly asset around the tank can actually gain control of the tank's firepower.

Maintenance wise however it would be pretty much like fighter aircraft. It would have its own maintenance team. Or perhaps each tank platoon (my own guess.. dunno about Russian tank organization) may form its own maintenance team.


About the ERA.. Well yes with appearance of small surface area and segmented penetrators in the west.. It would challenge ERA as it can puncture through without blowing.

Met some good remark regarding frontal armor "wings" on T-15: it is mounted on hinges and can be pointed up during transportation or on some of those tight narrow streets during urban battles. I can see it might be used as impromptu shield for extra protection for those guys who like to ride on BMP instead of inside of it. That's pretty much 99% of them 

alexZam wrote:Met some good remark regarding frontal armor "wings" on T-15: it is mounted on hinges and can be pointed up during transportation or on some of those tight narrow streets during urban battles. I can see it might be used as impromptu shield for extra protection for those guys who like to ride on BMP instead of inside of it. That's pretty much 99% of them 

I am pretty sure that those "wings" are for protection of the engine bay, and they folded them up so that they wouldn't hit anything.

If it can be folded up intentionally to provide some shelter for additional occupants(why would they ride outside? Maybe on the march to decrease # of vehicles needed to transport an entire platoon?)

then thats just extra gravy on top of a perfect turkey.

the 152mm ETC gun bit is music to my ears. for reference, the swiss 140mm gun (conventional) can push an apfsds through 1m of rha steel. a 152mm gun can perform up to at least that level, but no, they apparently want an ETC version of it . might as well call the weapon and its ammo Gae Bolg (gay bulge?   ) for not giving a fck about enemy armor and going through anyways.

2SPOOKY4U wrote:

alexZam wrote:Met some good remark regarding frontal armor "wings" on T-15: it is mounted on hinges and can be pointed up during transportation or on some of those tight narrow streets during urban battles. I can see it might be used as impromptu shield for extra protection for those guys who like to ride on BMP instead of inside of it. That's pretty much 99% of them 

I am pretty sure that those "wings" are for protection of the engine bay, and they folded them up so that they wouldn't hit anything.

If it can be folded up intentionally to provide some shelter for additional occupants(why would they ride outside? Maybe on the march to decrease # of vehicles needed to transport an entire platoon?)

then thats just extra gravy on top of a perfect turkey.

Russian soldiers historically like ridding outside (since Aghan's 80's). From that I heard of, there are more chances of surviving in case of those sideroad TNT or similar 'big boom' under tracks. Plus, troops will be able to imidiatelly to return fire to those "freedom fighters" in ambush. Being inside squally cause more contiguous and wasting time for troops to get out. So ridding on top is risking a bullet for a few, but the rest the soldiers are able to engage enemy right away. More chances of surviving and protect yourself, although a bigger risk. That's how I see it.

TR1 wrote:http://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=60226

Intersting info from Alex, overall a relatively reliable "insider":

-152mm WILL be on the tank, but not right away. And it will be electrochemical, and has already been financed by the MOD.
-Tanks are not final products, half of the ones already made will be sent to Kubinka to be flogged the other back to UVZ. This includes the T-15.
-Protection.....make of this what you will, but I just translating what he said:
-traditional  ERA has become outdated in terms of potential
-instead they will use 'electro, plasma polymers, graphene" <--------anyone with a background should comment here.
-APS will be very advanced, multi-shot, with automatic reloading.
-Electrical transmission
-Claims crew in the next 5-6 years will be cut down to 2- FOR SURE.
-45mm has been chosen as firm replacement for 30mm- already has started testing with new rounds- YAY
-Armata program so far has full funding, no sequester.

Anyways yeah.
The guy has generally been proven more right than GurKhan has in their big Armata debate....how much of the above will come to fruition I cannot say.

1. Awesome, can't wait for mp.net butthurt.
2. Not final product? Does that mean their will be a major change from prototype to serial?
3.
Electro probably means electroslag melted steel. I remember that they made some alloy called "Damascus" or whatever, I'll find the link.
Plasma Polymers probably means Polymers made with high temperature methods. Something new and innovative.
Graphene is a really tough material, since nanofibers were discovered in the 70s by the USSR, I am sure they know what they are doing.
Electrical Transmission, sounds like an automatic to me. Me thinks it will be tied into the overall vehicle electronic system to get max performance.
5-6, sounds like an AI system will be taking over gunner, and Commander just points. Not that big of a step considering how easy the gunner's job is in the T-90MS
45mm for kurganets or for the autocannon supposedly on the T-14 turret?
Full funding for a military program in Russia? It can't..possibly..be..

TR1 wrote:-Claims crew in the next 5-6 years will be cut down to 2- FOR SURE.

So the crew capsule and likely over-all vehicle dimensions (and armor area/weight) would become over-sized even before it enters full-rate production?
Alternatively, perhaps they have in mind another role for a 3rd crew member to cover, e.g. organic UAV controller?

alexZam wrote:
Russian soldiers historically like ridding outside (since Aghan's 80's). From that I heard of, there are more chances of surviving in case of those sideroad TNT or similar 'big boom' under tracks. Plus, troops will be able to imidiatelly to return fire to those "freedom fighters" in ambush. Being inside squally cause more contiguous and wasting time for troops to get out. So ridding on top is risking a bullet for a few, but the rest the soldiers are able to engage enemy right away. More chances of surviving and protect yourself, although a bigger risk. That's how I see it.

You will hardly see them riding on top Kurganets-25. But You are right, US soldiers were sitting on top of their M113 in Vietnam too for same reasons.

New video with some interesting info from the head of the main Armored Directorate Ministry of Defense of Russia (1996 - 2004) Sergey Maiev.

On Otvaga they're saying you can't take all his says as 100% guaranteed but still...

The secrets of the Armata
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201504260950-qyc9.htm

Some interesting points from the video

Information system for the control of the movement of the machine
Information system for Fire control.
Three types (or 3 channel ??) detection/vision system

Previously expected the tank to be equipped with a radar, but has since been rejected- according to Sergey Maiev

Digital systems increase the speed of any of the operations and shall connect "Armata" with any other technique which is equipped with a computer.


The speed of the machine itself provides a diesel engine with 1500 horsepower. Terrain, acceleration and speed qualities leave behind the current flagship T-90, and a power reserve of "Armata gives it a range of at least 500 kilometers. It can accelerate from 0-70km/h in 5-10 sec

Smoothbore gun caliber 125 mm can be used as a launcher for guided missiles, in addition, twin 12 mm gun and 57 mm automatic grenade launcher.


In the "Armata" you can change the location of the engine from the front to the back, add and remove the necessary arms and equipment. There are about 30 variants of transformation.