OminousSpudd wrote:A TASS article awhile back stated that the crew count may yet be reduced to two. If this was the case, out of curiosity which crew position would be most likely replaced?
Commander position.
OminousSpudd wrote:A TASS article awhile back stated that the crew count may yet be reduced to two. If this was the case, out of curiosity which crew position would be most likely replaced?
Viktor wrote:57mm remote controled station Baikal
Vann7 wrote:Pretty Sweet..
All Kurganets and Boomerangs Russia produces should come with no less than a 57mm gun..
for armored targets and a Kord 12.7mm machine gun for soft targets.. and few of them
lets say 10% of them armed with the same T-14 main armata 125 mm gun.
Later Russia can use a special cover for every single tank gun to fool the enemy, into not knowing whether it have a 57mm gun or a 125mm one.. That not only be a big deterrence
against Russia Enemies.. not know the real power of the armata armor until it fire and hit their
armored hardware.
So the sole view of any Kurganets or Boomerangs in the battlefield will be scary for any NATO forces driving a heavy tank.. knowing that some of Russia light tanks carry heavy guns and can destroy their main battle tanks.
This way Russia can build a very large tank power force of 20,000 to 30,000 armata ,
and Russian enemies will not know which one of them will come armed with either serious 57mm gun or very dangerous 125mm new armata heavy gun..or the incomming 152mm one.
so using all those 3 calibers.. and covering the cannons to hide their real size will be a very
useful tactic and deterrence. Since not only T-14 tanks will have the power to defeat any NATO
tank but also any Boomerangs and Kurganets too. it all depends on the caliber of the main gun.
needs something like the faceted shell the T-14 sports. as it is it just looks unfinished to me.Viktor wrote:57mm remote controled station Baikal
safe to say this thing on the T-15 pretty much kills the potential for a BMPT armata.archangelski wrote:
With no intrusive parts in crew compartment, it can be installed on Kurganets or Armata platforms. This should give them a little more punch than the "simple" 30 mm. turret.
collegeboy16 wrote:needs something like the faceted shell the T-14 sports. as it is it just looks unfinished to me.Viktor wrote:57mm remote controled station Baikal
collegeboy16 wrote:safe to say this thing on the T-15 pretty much kills the potential for a BMPT armata.
I don't get the big idea...collegeboy16 wrote:needs something like the faceted shell the T-14 sports. as it is it just looks unfinished to me.Viktor wrote:57mm remote controled station Baikalsafe to say this thing on the T-15 pretty much kills the potential for a BMPT armata.archangelski wrote:
With no intrusive parts in crew compartment, it can be installed on Kurganets or Armata platforms. This should give them a little more punch than the "simple" 30 mm. turret.
aesthetics, and because its a more effective way of minimizing radar signature- we have stealth aircraft as best proof of that.2SPOOKY4U wrote:
Why would it need a faceted shell?
It will have Nadkidka.
because the main complaint about the T-15 in acting in the BMPT capacity is the lack of room-busting HE shell power from its relatively puny 30mm cannon; now they here a more significant 57 mm shell that can pack more explosive punch and surely have prox fuzes not to mention barrage fired.2SPOOKY4U wrote:
How does it kill potential?
The role of the BMPT is already covered with the T-15 anway.
This thing already packs more firepower than a BMPT, simply slap on a few Kornets and RPOs to the side and you have one lean mean machine.
collegeboy16 wrote:aesthetics, and because its a more effective way of minimizing radar signature- we have stealth aircraft as best proof of that.2SPOOKY4U wrote:
Why would it need a faceted shell?
It will have Nadkidka.
collegeboy16 wrote:because the main complaint about the T-15 in acting in the BMPT capacity is the lack of room-busting HE shell power from its relatively puny 30mm cannon; now they here a more significant 57 mm shell that can pack more explosive punch and surely have prox fuzes not to mention barrage fired.
put on the low sig. shell and you multiply that 1/6 by another fraction.2SPOOKY4U wrote:
Lol, just look at the video, radar reflection is reduced to 1/6.
nothing stops them from making new rounds.Mike E wrote:
1. Isn't the anti-armor 57 mm round extremely outdated?
simple, dont get into an ambush situation. take a drone or two to sniff out potential killzones.Mike E wrote:
2. It doesn't add nearly enough weapons to take a BMPT-esque role... Only one main gun, no ATGM's or auto-grenade-launchers etc.
2SPOOKY4U wrote:
Stop smoking crack
You will not get 20k to 30k armatas.
And how will you make a 57mm look like a 125mm?
Russia – 12,200 BMP-1s, BMP-2s and BMP-3s in 1995 and 12,700 in 2000–2009. 2,750 are currently in active service and 6,500 are in reserve.
Whatever happened to the "outdated 57 mm ammunition" discussion?
The new 57mm is also geared towards the new western line of heavier IFVs and APCs, with ATGMs to deal with tanks or high-tier drones.
Kurganet will in my opinion, the lightest new vehicle in the Russian military to mount 125mm and 120mm.
How does it kill potential?
The role of the BMPT is already covered with the T-15 anway.
This thing already packs more firepower than a BMPT, simply slap on a few Kornets and RPOs to the side and you have one lean mean machine.
1. Isn't the anti-armor 57 mm round extremely outdated?
2. It doesn't add nearly enough weapons to take a BMPT-esque role... Only one main gun, no ATGM's or auto-grenade-launchers etc.
Well there you go, no more need for BMPT.
30mm isn't puny by any standard by the way.
Nothing stopping them but it means more money spent in the process...
That's not excuse to not have weapons. The BMPT was all about its armament, which is what made it special. Just a 57 is inadequate.
Because Russia is so BIG , a continent on its own.. it face a major problem of a coordinated
Islamic militant invasion.. lets say from China western regions or from Caucasus.. and Russia also have many millions of muslins too
VladimirSahin wrote:
Because Russia is so BIG , a continent on its own.. it face a major problem of a coordinated
Islamic militant invasion.. lets say from China western regions or from Caucasus.. and Russia also have many millions of muslins too
You need to chill out with your anti Islam stuff. I think there are some Muslims on this forum, And even on a tank thread you post against "Islamic militancy" first of all they are not "Islamic" but terrorists. You can't call name a terrorist group religious, That is first of all offensive.
Cyrus the great wrote:So the Russians might put a 120mm mortar on the new BMP-T? I concede that I don't know just how important muzzle velocity would be in urban environment engagements, but wouldn't the low velocity of the 2a80 gun hinder the new BMP-T against well-hidden, fast moving insurgents? I understand that the 2A36 152 mm howitzer can reach a muzzle velocity of 945mps... so couldn't a 2a80 120mm mortar gun be modernized to reach similar velocities?
These questions might be stupid, but I felt compelled to ask them.
ps: I know that a mortar and a howitzer are two different systems.
GarryB wrote:
Boomerang will be in the same weight class, so I don't see why Boomerang units should go without 125mm guns and rifled 120mm gun/mortars.
collegeboy16 wrote:^damn, everytime i read Vann7's block of text the laptop rises 6 inches .
So the Russians might put a 120mm mortar on the new BMP-T? I concede that I don't know just how important muzzle velocity would be in urban environment engagements, but wouldn't the low velocity of the 2a80 gun hinder the new BMP-T against well-hidden, fast moving insurgents? I understand that the 2A36 152 mm howitzer can reach a muzzle velocity of 945mps... so couldn't a 2a80 120mm mortar gun be modernized to reach similar velocities?
These questions might be stupid, but I felt compelled to ask them. Embarassed
ps: I know that a mortar and a howitzer are two different systems.
However, 120mm will be put on the Kurganets to replace the Nona.
Boomerang weighs far less than the Kurganets for sure.
It is not a matter of weight, but suspension.