[Official] Armata Discussion thread #4

Because the thing looses speed after going trough half a metre of armor.

And i said it is "supposed" to do this, not that it always does it.

Most DU rounds burn and turn partly into dust, after the hit something hard.

Even with this difference in the data, russian rounds seems to be better and they are bigger and faser. So they have much better shells than nato if we compare at 50% of the round penetration.

Is it true ?

Russian win for both case. 80% of the shell going inside is much more difficult to obtain than 50% but still the numbers are the same. If russian givr the penetration for 50% they would end up having much better result.

"Russian Dzhavelin" will go into service with our tanks

Russian designers are working on a prospective 3rd-generation tank rocket, which will operate on the principle of "shot-forget." Similarly, the American "Javelin." Information about this is posted on the blog andrei-bt.

Referring to the published scientific materials, the author of the blog concludes that Russia is working on a new version of the tank rocket. It will have exceptional characteristics. Including will have the ability to homing and hitting ground objects in the weakly protected upper hemisphere. It will also be possible to destroy and low-speed air targets.

At present, Russia is lagging behind in developing anti-tank missiles of the third generation. However, as military experts are sure, in the near future such a backlog will be eliminated.
The other day it became known that the heads of homing for new anti-tank complexes began to create and Ukrainian designers. True, they are at the very beginning of such works.

Hole wrote:Wunderwaffe.

miketheterrible wrote:of course, brings in about Ukrainian development - which might I add has been garbage since day one.  But Andrei is a ukrop moron.
Note about his comment on anti tank missiles of Russia being behind in the game.  Well, so far, Russia's atgm's cause the most harm to American supreme or German vunderwaff tanks.

Isos wrote:

If you want to use missile on a tank, better go for a mechanical arm on the top with two big manpads with longer range than normal ones.

Isos wrote:

Hole wrote:"Only" for the Afghanit.

A range of 5 to 10 km should be possible. To use a guided missile from the gun against a helicopter is "common" practice even for T-72´s.

Not missiles but explosive shells with a fuze like in WWII but with today's technology. The range should be higher than when engaging ground targets.

If you want to use missile on a tank, better go for a mechanical arm on the top with two big manpads with longer range than normal ones.

Isos wrote:

Hole wrote:You know that russian tanks can fire laser-guided missiles trough their gun?

Yes that's why I said it's faster to launch an IglaS than launch an atgm that you have to guide until it hits something at slow speed.

Atgm wirk against slow moving helicopters only and the laser can be seen by the helicopter' sensors.