Russian Economy General News: #2

zg18 wrote:In your face Carl Bildt

That lunatic is now charged with corruption because he was taking money from another lunatic maniac Sucky_Willy our well known friend

higurashihougi wrote:

NationalRus wrote:

Mike E wrote:Okay, as I'm tiring of this discussion, Werewolf and everybody please go research "voluntaryism", the NAP, and other forms of government-less societies... I not a huge fan of explaining something, and have nobody gain anything from it, so please....

welcome on the train, no need to discuss things with people who have not a open view but a agenda, if 3 arguments with strong fundamentals and facts dont work and that on one and the same issue... dont bother making a fourth one, i didnt studied economic theory privetly, read textbook's on the issue to be dragged down to a crackerbarrel niveau, gladly russia does devolope in the right direction even if slowly, and is one of the most fiscally sound countrys, that is actaully ready to make the painfull cuts and sacrifices befor going on a borrowing binge

What Mike and NationalRus try to embrace is a market with nearly perfect competition, that's mean in the market there is lot a lot a lot of small enterprises with more or less similar holdings and strength, and everybody has more or less equal to opportunity to join the market. This market has high competitiveness and create various choices for the consumers, which will facilitate the quality of the products and improve the service of the enteprises.

What I and Werewolf try to embrace, is a country with effective bureaucrat and low corrpution, a democracy goverment with is truly represent the people and are under strong supervision of the people. Under such system, what the state and goverment does are nearly equal to what ALL THE PEOPLE do, therefore extensive state-owned enterprises and public services are truly beneficial.

Anarchists and voluntarysts like Mike E want to reduce the limitations of the goverment and create more and more opened area for all people to participate in and share the same level of opportunity, that also increase the autonomy, freedom, and creativity of the people. Statists like me belive in the Formula of Left-wing Democracy: "state = public; goverment = all the people; nation >>>>> individual", therefore we want a strong state-owned enterprise which does things by the people, for the people, of the people, works for the sake of the people, not for selfish benefits and profits of the company leaders.

In reality, none of these things happens. Either in private sectors or in the goverment, fat cats and oligarchs dominate the market, occupy nearly all the assets and power, and create thick barrier which prevents small enteprises from entering the market. That's what we call oligopoly.

That's why I say, privatization or nationalization, it depends on the circumstance. In all cases, people need a strong legal, executive and supervising systems to kick the ass of the bullshiters and supervise the acts of the enteprises.

@Mike: There are oligarch in the private sector, too, if we look back in the late 19th and early 20th century, the area where consortiums, syndicates, and trusts dominated the market and monopoly the economy. But today, we have anti-trust, anti-monopoly laws and system so the problem is more or less resolved, and the competitiveness has been increased.

Austin wrote:Ulyukayev: "Russian defense industry spends 3 times more than on education and health"

Understandable. First, Russia is one of the main weapon exporters. Second, we have this and that in Ossetia, Ukraina, and the war-mongers in the West. But then I would like to see more investment in the civillian industry and agriculture. After all, a strong military (強兵) is being fed by a wealthy country (富國).

Oh yeah, cause Marxism isn't a Utopian belief.... Voluntarism isn't based around competition, but rather based on the idea that civilization can flourish with or without a government. - In theory it sounds great, but even I have to admit that it never has been attempted.

I understand that.... However, Madison was 100% correct when he stated that interest + power = corruption. Do you honestly think that any government today is "for the people"? - That is the reason your typical MURICAN' Tea-bagger is an idiot, becuase they sincerely believe that a piece of paper (the Constitution) will "force" the government to be small, and "for the people"! - Yep, cause we all "know" that will work. As for the idea of a government that "does what the people wants".... - Hate to say this, but most of the time the "people" are a bunch of uneducated idiots! If we had a similar system here in the US, our country would be ashes, and I'm not kidding!

The idea is to limit the power of both companies and the government.... As of right now (in the US and many other countries), the government works to benefit corporations and other organizations, ever hear of "lobbyists"? - They and the MIC are the real rulers of this countries and the "others". In fact, by stopping QE and reducing corrupted contracts for large corporations (Lockheed...), they will be the ones the most affected at first! Statism can be anything from monarchy to fascism to communism... - It means "government intervention", so any economic or political intervening form of government is statist. As I've said before, corruption is bound to happen when there is power, and the opportunity for ones gain.


You and Werewolf don't seem to get what "private sector" I am talking about... I don't mean the Fed, or large companies like Boeing which "rule the world" via government. - The basis is simple, slowly move government services over to either the "large private sector" (you guys are so scared of) or to small businesses that can offer the services. It may not be perfect, but government services are about as bad as you can possibly get. 

IMHO, go watch "introductions to Voluntarism" by Molyneux (who or may or may not know and like) or you could go for the crazier side by watching Kokesh. - His interviews are great, more so when he absolutely murders a Marxist, Liberal, or Republican.

 - I know that, and I think that you can find my opinion on that in one of my "paragraphs". 

You and Werewolf base your ideology on government, I hate to break it to you, but government has NEVER truly been for its people, and never will. You can ban lobbyists, take away an oligarchs wealth, and add more anti-corporation laws, but they will NEVER be muted. They will buy politicians on the inside as demonstrated by every country today, and bit by bit they will take back the power until you are back to square one! Corruption exists, and it will NEVER go away until you limit its power, which is called "government".

lets return from "economic rants" back to "economic news"

Russian Oligarch Arkady Rotenberg (net worth $2.6 billion USD) Italian assets worth $36 million have been frozen by the Italian govt., looks like a lot of Oligarchs will pay dearly for not keeping Russia's money that they stole in Russia, now it'll force them to rethink. This will have the opposite effect that NATO wants, the most dangerous faction to the Russian population is the neoliberal financier oligarch faction, by doing this their actually weakening their own influence in Russia lol!

magnumcromagnon wrote:Russian Oligarch Arkady Rotenberg (net worth $2.6 billion USD) Italian assets worth $36 million have been frozen by the Italian govt., looks like a lot of Oligarchs will pay dearly for not keeping Russia's money that they stole in Russia, now it'll force them to rethink. This will have the opposite effect that NATO wants, the most dangerous faction to the Russian population is the neoliberal financier oligarch faction, by doing this their actually weakening their own influence in Russia lol!

No. They have plenty of money inside Russia to huddle for the winter.

What it does do, is potentially make them angry at our beloved Tsar and protector.

sepheronx wrote:Now Norwey is joining sanctions against Russia.

Why now all of a sudden?

US pressure - it took a bit longer to break Norway too.

TR1 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Russian Oligarch Arkady Rotenberg (net worth $2.6 billion USD) Italian assets worth $36 million have been frozen by the Italian govt., looks like a lot of Oligarchs will pay dearly for not keeping Russia's money that they stole in Russia, now it'll force them to rethink. This will have the opposite effect that NATO wants, the most dangerous faction to the Russian population is the neoliberal financier oligarch faction, by doing this their actually weakening their own influence in Russia lol!

No. They have plenty of money inside Russia to huddle for the winter.

What it does do, is potentially make them angry at our beloved Tsar and protector.

Mr. Hope and Change?

sepheronx wrote:Due to sales slumped on cars in Russia, Avtovaz is laying off 2,200 people out of a total of 64,000 employees. Wow, they have a lot of employees for a car manufacturer.

Anyway, maybe the Russian government needs to look into other methods to convince peoole to purchase new cars. Maybe new taxes and restart their cash for clunkers program (which boosted sales last time).

Mechel, largest mining company in Russia that has been in financial trouble for years, stocks slumped by over 20%.

I guess the company needs to be sold off or find other ways to deal with its mess. And I dont agree with US methods like chapter 11 bankruptsy that is common over their.

Cash for Clunkers has restarted this month. It should help.

Nice  

Turkish company opened a large plant in Tatarstan

Rosstat: the unemployment rate in Russia fell to 4.8%

kvs wrote:

Viktor wrote:Nice  

Turkish company opened a large plant in Tatarstan

Rosstat: the unemployment rate in Russia fell to 4.8%

But we were told that the Russian economy is stagnating.   Clearly not.   Unemployment goes up during stagnation and recession periods.   And before some clown claims that this is only because of government interference in the Russian economy, Russia is not running any make work projects.   In fact, it is still following the monetarist advice from the 1990s and this is private sector job creation.   Of course, it helps to spend money on rearmament but such spending cannot explain the low unemployment rate.   The labour force is 76 million and military-associated industry employs 2.5 million people.   It's not like you can take the unemployed and retask them to be engineers and machinists by snapping your fingers.

+1 Of course the West will spin things so it looks like the Russian economy is struggling, but the reality is anything but that... Russia's big push to China is proof that their economy is looking to grow further, so let's hope that works out well... I just want to see Russia pioneering the next-generation of reactors (LFTR's), as China is working on them and a joint-effort could be extremely beneficial... As for the MIC, it is flourishing considering the sanctions. - Isn't funny how Russia has a lower unemployment rate than the US?

The NATO economic warfare against Russia reminds me of some Middle Eastern banana republic.

Say some woman gets attacked by perverts and then she gets jailed for "causing it".

Its clear NATO wanted to steal the Crimea and place missiles in Donbass, so it now comes out with this bullshit.

I wonder if Russia could be provoked into military action somewhere. Or "overt" destabilisation of some form.
I'm thinking of sponsoring someone else's invasion of the Lvov area etc.

If Russia has to get grief for doing nothing, maybe it should GET something.

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As an aside, I actually think some of these "analyst forecasts" are scare tactics against Russia ie pure bullshit forecasts.
Russia can cause massive ec damage to the EU. And the US is now losing credibility with many places due to its economic (and other!) terroro campaigns.

As zg18 said correctly few days ago

Central Bank of Russia continues to increase gold reserves

As a result, the total reserves of Russia rose to 1,112.5 tons of gold

Russia is gona get 3.1 bin$ by the end of the year + prepay for any future gas at 385$/m3

Under Pact, Russians To Give Gas To Ukraine

Under Friday’s deal, which Moscow and Kiev are expected to approve by next week, Ukraine would pay Russia $3.1 billion toward its outstanding bill, in two separate installments by the end of the year. In exchange, Gazprom will ensure that at least 5 billion cubic meters of gas are supplied to Ukraine from October to March at the set price of $385 per 1,000 cubic meters, which must be prepaid before delivery

Lets hope the wolrd willl have switched almost entirely to renewable and nuclear  nuclear energy before these oil pckets are opened to continue to pollute the world.

I hope russia's main plan for the future isn't "drill, drill drill, and destroy the north pole ecosystem so we can make drilling easier" but rather focus on methane and nuclear fusion

kvs wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Lets hope the wolrd willl have switched almost entirely to renewable and nuclear  nuclear energy before these oil pckets are opened to continue to pollute the world.

I hope russia's main plan for the future isn't "drill, drill drill, and destroy the north pole ecosystem so we can make drilling easier" but rather focus on methane and nuclear fusion

I agree, but given NATO's oil crack addiction such news has got to hurt.  

Russia is the only country (aside from China) that is going to deploy a new fleet of fast neutron breeder reactors (the BN-1200 series) during the 2020s.  Stupid governments like in Germany are going from nuclear to coal (and indirect nuclear since Germany is buying electricity from France).   Alternatives are nice and should be applauded, but there is no large scale energy storage technology that can make them viable without a constant baseload from  conventional power sources.  

Thats why less money should be spent on drilling research and instead on making alternative energy better and makingf fossil fuels safer for the enviroment.

I think the west has done much more to make our enviroment go to hell, but that doesn't mean russia should try follow their example.