KomissarBojanchev wrote: sepheronx wrote:no, that isn't nearly even close to enough time for all you stated. So try again. Money evidently enough didn't solve all of the issues from the industrial base. But you think that money does. If so, take a look at Europe and even USA and then get back to us.
Most successful western technological companies became successful and popular for far less than 15 years. Not to mention china, especially it's car and hardware industry. How could china which has never before had an automotive or electronic development history suddenly outcompete russia in both which has 100+ years of experience in them?
What about Russia's own history? The soviet union became an economic superpower in less than 15 years and while in those times the country was in a critical state, the same can be said about today's Russia to some extent. Moreover the USSR then didn't have ANY access to foreign capital and had almost zero influence on the international economy.
Automotive Industry of China is a failure for export but for domestic, is a success (and they don't even come close to sales of the luxury side of things in China compared to Buicks, Bently's and such). Why would you imagine it wouldn't? Look at the population of China vs Russia. Flood the domestic market with cheap cars and it will do very well, especially in a nation full of poorer people in comparison.
Automotive of the western countries are also very old, and American automotive industry maybe excluding Ford, is always in dire straits and in need of financial assistance, even though they are supposed to be doing "better". Asian automobiles are the ones doing the best, because there was form of protectionism as well as concentration of effort in the companies. So in this case, Hyundai obtained a lot of assistance and economical advantages in advancing itself.
Russia hadn't and doesn't give these massive subsidies. Only subsidies are through individual programs like cash for clunkers or other assistant programs that may indirectly goes to the industries through purchases. But overall, the industries are on their own. A mixture of piss poor management in the past and obsolete equipment is what gave way to new management and new equipment. Now look at Avtovaz. They are exporting to other countries and opening up production in other countries - Egypt is building Lada Granta's as an example. Since 2012, Lada Granta's are the most sold vehicles in Russia and gaining traction elsewhere due to being much cheaper and quality is a lot better than previous lada's.
Electronic industry in Russia was always none existent, especially in civil sector. It is actually only recently it gained traction. With the introduction of the Elbrus E2K architecture of the early 2000's only made way for their first modern Elbrus processor and of course, it is tied directly to military and industrial sectors. While Baikal electronics are aiming at the civil and government markets in the near future. If Russia didn't have this money, they wouldn't bother with the investments nor there would be a market for it as average people wouldn't be able to afford it. Russia still has various semiconductor companies, and companies like Mikran sell to tons of countries, China included. Then came way of the 90's where Asian production was not only much cheaper but more refined than Russia's and Russia couldn't compete since half the world had contracts in such production. Brand names are not one of them as Apple doesn't produce the parts needed at home, but simply "invent" (More like take already existing ideas and marketing as new) and selling it worldwide. Smart yes, but nothing inventive or hard. Russia has their own brands of computer as example (like dell) that has been around since the 90's and they are quite big, already producing their own line of motherboards in their own facilities unlike dell that re-badges Foxconn motherboards, but these brands are tied mostly in Russia and some CIS countries. Same with their cellphones. I would like to get the effire a7 smartphone as I have read good things about it. But not available out here unless I try to contact the manufacturer.
Using the automotive industry is a bad idea as well, since a lot of automotive industries are not performing as well as they had hoped. If Avtovaz was far more aggressive and opening up manufacturing in other countries, I would imagine they too would be far bigger than they are now. But they don't. Same with Gaz. One thing Russia is known for doing, is keeping the manufacturing themselves and they don't look at the aspect of making their companies multinational. Only a few companies have done it, and they done it through purchasing out other companies in other countries (Rostelsmash owning a Canadian and American tractor company(s)).
Simply throwing money at something doesn't solve the issue - This is evident in the shipbuilding industry. It also comes from the people themselves. Lets face it, people in Russia for the longest time were far more interested in purchasing German made crap like Volkswagen or BMW because of nothing more than "status" symbol. They fall victim to same as many Indians lets say in that same category. Nothing wrong with Tata automobiles and some of their SUV's are real good. Cheap automotives as well. But they don't compete against BMW's or Mercedes in India because of same exact reasons. Same in Canada. People would rather purchase a BMW than a Toyota Corolla or Hyundai Santa Fe or Kia Serento even though these three automobiles outperform the BMW in terms of reliability in the Lemon guide for automotive (real world experience ranking vs some magazine ratings).
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