Russian Economy General News: #5

sepheronx wrote:

Austin wrote:Russian Carriers Struggle as Sanctions Drag Economy Down

Got any other more credible links?  

Aeroflot is a massive company (much larger than Astana airlines).  They are not in "Dire straits".  They are doing quite well.  Not as well as before but well.  Some others relied on long distant flights, so they are screwed.  But this article is pure nonesense and as I pointed out in other thread, are trying to make it sound like Russia's GDP drop will be 9% (gee, we heard this one before).

I think it is time to find yourself some new sources Austin.

One thing I think people like to forget is that large companies tend to be quite adaptive to various situations due to having large revenues to be able to make such changes.  In this case, Russia will increase domestic flights, and change routes to other countries.

max steel wrote:Russia isnt the only country having titanium . period .

"For the Russian market, the decline in oil prices inevitably implies a reduction in business activity, increased outflow of capital and a General deterioration in the mood of investors," notes the analyst of Rye, Man & Gor in Moscow Sergey Pigarev. - Given the high dependence of the Russian economy from oil revenues, the fall in the cost of Brent and ruble exchange rate creates a negative assessment of the Russian market for foreign investors".

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Austin wrote:Russian Carriers Struggle as Sanctions Drag Economy Down

Got any other more credible links?  

Aeroflot is a massive company (much larger than Astana airlines).  They are not in "Dire straits".  They are doing quite well.  Not as well as before but well.  Some others relied on long distant flights, so they are screwed.  But this article is pure nonesense and as I pointed out in other thread, are trying to make it sound like Russia's GDP drop will be 9% (gee, we heard this one before).

I think it is time to find yourself some new sources Austin.

One thing I think people like to forget is that large companies tend to be quite adaptive to various situations due to having large revenues to be able to make such changes.  In this case, Russia will increase domestic flights, and change routes to other countries.

Actually Aeroflot has increased a lot of their routes now and in the near future. I have found an English source, but I cannot post it without breaking forum rules. If anyone is interested, I will share it over PM.

flamming_python wrote:

Neutrality wrote:USA sharpened sanctions against Gazprom. Now Gazprom can't receive technologies necessary for exploration and obtaining of gas and oil in the Sakhalin project. This blatantly shows that this sanctions politics has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine and everything with the USA using scumbag methods to push out competition out of the oil market.

I say the time has come to completely destroy the American space industry. Force Roskosmos to stop the delivery of RD-181 engines and look for other partners to sell. I think China and India would be interested.

magnumcromagnon wrote:The most effective countermeasure would be to introduce an titanium embargo on NATO states, and cut a deal with China to make up the difference with a 25-50% mark up. It's the most effective way to weaken NATO's airpower, much more effective than any military system that Russia or any country could produce, and it'll give China a 'strategic bottleneck' and leverage it could use against the US and Japan. As I said before Boeing who just so happens to be heavily invested in the NATO ABM's, is heavily reliant on Russia for titanium...so reliant that Russia provides at least 40% of the titanium for Boeing, and a good portion of it's landing gear.

The level of arrogance that orbits Boeing's 'chairman of the board', for them to be the main contractor for the GBI Euro Meatshield that threatens Russia, while simultaneously being reliant on Russia for at least 40% of it's titanium, as well as rocket engines that power their Atlas V rockets, as well as maintaining the ISS.

Uhh no

You know what's arrogant?

Cutting yourselves out of a market and pretending that by so doing you're hurting the other guy's economy; because you're so important and your technologies are so precious and no-one else can produce what you're producing.

That's exactly what the US and EU have done, and it's turned out to be a mistake that's hurting their own companies and pushing Russia to develop domestic alternatives and give business and partnerships to rapidly rising producers in Asia.
Russia then responded not by cutting out it's own companies from Western markets; but by cutting out even more Western producers from Russian markets - agricultural prodeucers in this case.
Result? Russia 2 : US/EU 0.

What Russia shouldn't do, is commit the same mistake as the US and EU.
Delivering engines is good business.
Delivering titanium is good business.
Any deals, where Russia actually sells high-value added, innovative goods to any market - is good business.

There is absolutely no reason to stop it. What would the objective be exactly? Yeah, just like in Russia's case, Boeing and NASA and so on would be temporarily hurt, they will take loses, etc... But just like Russia, in the longer run, they will develop or source their own alternatives - Russia is no more irreplacable to anyone than the West is; a lot less so actually.
And when they do come up with alternatives; they won't go back to doing business with Russia again. Boeing has invested a lot in Russia. Not just titanium; they have R&D centres here, JVs and some other projects. This is a very mutually profitable partnership; it doesn't matter how bad the government relations are, this is business FFS. And being part of whatever American defence projects is business for Boeing too. It's a corporation, the politics of this or that don't interest it.

Some of you guys are willing to chuck away some of Russia's most profitable business ventures and biggest customers for the sake of some short-term political capital.
Only the West is dumb enough to do that, no need to follow it to the abyss.

Neutrality wrote:.........................
......,Creating short-term political goals only is bad, I agree. Creating short-term political goals with long-term economical gains, however, is a better strategy IMHO. flamming_python even you have to start thinking that perhaps playing the nice guy isn't always the best strategy. Iran wasn't playing the nice guy when they were hit with sanctions and they are still far from being the nice guy today, when these sanctions are about to be lifted

Werewolf wrote:Unlike the West, Russia has all kinds and the biggest resources on this planet, for cheap prices and the highest quality. The West has nothing to offer in that amount they need for their products, nor prize or quality. Russia should and must increase costs for Titanium at least 40%, the US and their vassals of EU can not without Titanium and there are no alternatives, since alternatives are all BRICS members except of useless ukraine and Japan can not deliver such amounts like China,Russia or Kazakhstan. They all would profit from increasing costs on Titanium, not to mention they are already selling at low price for highest quality of titanium, just fair so they get money for the quality they provide.

SAMARA, 8 Aug — RIA Novosti. Companies from China will be built in Ulyanovsk for the packaging of tea and the production of marble tiles, the cost of the two projects is estimated at 400 million rubles, the press service of the government of the Ulyanovsk region.

"Investment projects will be implemented at the site of a port special economic zone. The total investment will amount to 400 million roubles for 200 million rubles in every project," — said in a release.

The signing of the two agreements was held in Chengdu in the framework of the round table of heads of regions of the Volga Federal district and representatives of the regions of the upper and middle reaches of the Yangtze river.

The first agreement is with the company "Jumin" — includes investment in the construction of a centre for distribution and packaging of tea on the territory of the Ulyanovsk region. Earlier it was reported that the region has already chosen a site for the company to Chinese investors.

SAMARA, 8 Aug — RIA Novosti. Chinese investors have begun preliminary projects and draw up land for the construction of a bus factory in the Saratov region, told RIA Novosti the Ministry of economic development of the region.

"Currently under pre-project and technical-economic justification of the project. Once the certification and other mandatory procedures the parties intend to begin construction of the plant", — reported in regional economic development.

According to the press service of the government of the Saratov region, now investors are engaged in registration of land in the Krasnoarmeysky district of the region. The production site is 62 kilometers from Saratov on the Federal highway Syzran-Volgograd. The plant will be located between the cities of Volgograd, Saratov, Voronezh, Penza.

The agreement on creation of joint Russian-Chinese venture for the production of buses between companies Dongfeng Yangtse Hongkong Limited ("Dongfeng Yangtze Hong Kong limited") and LLC PC "Signal-Mash" (Saratov region) was signed in October 2014. The joint venture company "Dongfeng Yangtze — Saratov" was registered in December last year. The estimated investment in the project is around 100 million US dollars.

Werewolf wrote:

Prince Darling wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Unlike the West, Russia has all kinds and the biggest resources on this planet, for cheap prices and the highest quality. The West has nothing to offer in that amount they need for their products, nor prize or quality. Russia should and must increase costs for Titanium at least 40%, the US and their vassals of EU can not without Titanium and there are no alternatives, since alternatives are all BRICS members except of useless ukraine and Japan can not deliver such amounts like China,Russia or Kazakhstan. They all would profit from increasing costs on Titanium, not to mention they are already selling at low price for highest quality of titanium, just fair so they get money for the quality they provide.

funny that they didnt do that until now, probably because reality has nothing to do with your words

They also got nukes and looking by aggressive primitive russian nature they should have nuked already half the world but reality looks different. Such phrases reflect nothing on reality with some people's thoughts, but fact remains BRICS countries are nearly monopoly on Titanium export and without doubt their titanium means they can dictate the costs for their goods, the russians but tend to sell cheap, far cheaper than it is worth. They sell RD-180 engines for almost nothing and such technology is not in the reach of US for the considerable amount they would had to spend for several years to achieve an acceptable engine in near same performance compared with import costs of engines of such engines that outperforme their existent or future engines in performance and cost/effeciency.

Some real facts for you, because you seem to have forgoten... Who controls resources has the power to dominate. That is an ancient established fact, that is also the reason why everyone fights over resources and why Russia is constantly invaded or presented as a threat or a primitive nation that has no rights to live so "civilized" countries can justify aggression or direct war with Russia. Resources are the key to power and they do not attack Russia because they are jeoulse of anything or they feel russia being a threat, but because of resources.

max steel wrote: Georgia rejects anti-russian Sanctions-PM  

http://tass.ru/en/world/812944

Werewolf wrote:

max steel wrote:Even if Russia bans titanium to US it won't create much of a problem . China , Japan , Kazakhastan will sell it to usa .

I think you missunderstand what BRICS is and that such measures could well be within a cartel like set up of controlling market of a few exportors. That is how oil and energy sector works anyway. They do not need to ban it just all have to adjust the price for titanium up at least 40%, make money while reducing US/EU capability of bringing titanium with profit into projects and highering the costs of military equipment, which is a very good strategy since US and its NATO dogs are driving the anti-russian propaganda to justify higher military spendings and are trying to get more equipment into service. It is only in russias interest to reduce military capability of NATO if it is in her interest and realm of possibility and it is.

Neutrality wrote:One thing to keep in mind. This year, on September 13, the 7-year economic cycle ends. There are many doomsday conspiracy scenarios out there but just analyze this one and you'll see that every major stock market crash happens every 7 years. So mark that date in your calender. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Neutrality wrote:One thing to keep in mind. This year, on September 13, the 7-year economic cycle ends. There are many doomsday conspiracy scenarios out there but just analyze this one and you'll see that every major stock market crash happens every 7 years. So mark that date in your calender. It will be interesting to see what happens.