miketheterrible,
As I said, 1% growth is stagnation. The Soviet Union grew until the last few years of the country. It wasn't doing well since the late 1970s. The living standards
relatively declined vs. the West, its economic position weakened, slowly yes, but surely.
Another example: Japan's growth has been similar since from the early 90s onwards. And since then, it has not been a great example economic dynamism and growth in living standards, not that it really matters that much in Japan's case, because it was already fully developed by the 80s, if not slightly earlier.
Yes, there was a growth of 2 trillion rubles, but the global economy grew even faster (not so important) and the Western economies grew at a similar rate and in some cases even faster (important).
That's the very definition of stagnation, thank you.
I've read the Hellevig's article. I respect his expertise and I think he might be on to something, however he's certainly exaggerating the overall growth, I don't think the figure is directly comparable to other countries. I simply base my views on the official figures, that is all.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I never said that Russia has been stagnating since 1991 or 2000. On the contrary, Russia's economy has grown massively since 2000 (or to a large extent, it has recovered from the post-Soviet collapse),
I'm very aware of that, don't worry.
But Russia has been stagnating since 2013, kind of anyway.
It's probably overall true that its industial, scientific and especially social indicators (like life expectancy, homicide rate, overall safety etc.) have kept improving, which can be explained by the fact that they are normalizing after a massive collapse back in the 1990s, to a level where those indicators should be for a country as developed as Russia. In other words, in some ways Russia is still a negative outlier, not the other way around.
For example, similar Eastern European countries like Hungary or Latvia still have considerably lower homicide rates and a higher life expectancy than Russia, for example, because they weren't as messed up in the 90s. But yes, Russia is catching up, which is a good thing in any case.
Hole wrote:"Most developed countries".
What does this mean?
Which country is more developed than Russia?
Italy? Greece? Canada?
Canada especially and Italy are more developed than Russia, they have higher living standards. Simple. Please list statistics and facts that indicate that those countries are not more developed than Russia (other than debt).
I'm sure there might actually be some...
there certainly are some in which Russia beats the US by 2020, or so, like homicide rate or even infant mortality, not that you will hear that in the Western media. That however doesn't mean the Russia has higher living standards than the US overall, it certainly doesn't, but I do agree that the difference is much smaller than most people think.
But in a nutshell, Russia's PPP GDP per capita is around 60% of Canada and maybe 70% of Italy. Certainly respectable by global standards, but still quite a bit lower.
What are you guys actually suggesting? "I like Russia, Russia *****, Russia perfect, its statistics are fully reliable, whereas in the West and China, they're fully fake! Only Russia's GDP numbers are even remotely real!" Really? ...
Gunship Democracy, yes, industrial production is growing much faster than the overall GDP, which is good.
However if you look at economy now there is massive legal and organizational preparations for both scientific and economic growth. Only then IMHO all that funding will be released. LAst but not least Russia is 5th year at war in economy plane...
Exactly, I've mentioned the year 2021 several times.
I want to make clear that I'm not pessimistic on the Russian economy. But growth needs to pick up in the long-term, and it WILL in a few years time.