Russian Liberal Opposition

Yet another dissident proves to be neck-deep in to corruption, this time Garry Kasparov:

US May Prosecute Russian World Chess Champion Kasparov Over Corruption

magnumcromagnon wrote:Yet another dissident proves to be neck-deep in to corruption, this time Garry Kasparov:

US May Prosecute Russian World Chess Champion Kasparov Over Corruption

Ohh you little slimy liberal scum, you were incapable to be useful as an anti russian for the US and now they prosecute you?

Karma is a fucking bitch!

Werewolf wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Yet another dissident proves to be neck-deep in to corruption, this time Garry Kasparov:

US May Prosecute Russian World Chess Champion Kasparov Over Corruption

Ohh you little slimy liberal scum, you were incapable to be useful as an anti russian for the US and now they prosecute you?

Karma is a fucking bitch!

Remember how he was the 'world champion' of anti-corruption LMAO? And now 2015 is the year the Russian 5th column imploded, with the likes of Navalny being exposed as a foreign agent, Gaidar's daughter meeting and befriending Sockpuppetshivili in Odessa, Vladimir Bukovsky being prosecuted for possessing child-pornography, Garry Kasparov being prosecuted for corruption, Nemtsov being executed 'gangland style' by the very intelligence network that controlled him, but all those pale in comparison to the fact that Vladimir Putin has a ridiculous 88% approval rating...

Werewolf wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Yet another dissident proves to be neck-deep in to corruption, this time Garry Kasparov:

US May Prosecute Russian World Chess Champion Kasparov Over Corruption

Ohh you little slimy liberal scum, you were incapable to be useful as an anti russian for the US and now they prosecute you?

Karma is a fucking bitch!

this is the same Kasparov that claimed to everyone in the west that would listen to him that Putin, Medvedev and United Russia were corrupt ... Karma is indeed a bitch

Opposition rallies in Moscow for ‘rotation of power’ in Navalny-led protest, calling for “fair elections”

magnumcromagnon wrote:Opposition rallies in Moscow for ‘rotation of power’ in Navalny-led protest, calling for “fair elections”

rotation of power? Navalny wants maidan but receives one way ticket to Magadan and then let him rotate between levels with uranium ores

PapaDragon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Opposition rallies in Moscow for ‘rotation of power’ in Navalny-led protest, calling for “fair elections”

rotation of power? Navalny wants maidan but receives one way ticket to Magadan and then let him rotate between levels with uranium ores

But that would actually make him useful for a change...

4000 people was participating ? I though Navalny claimed that he would mobilize 40000 people

These 5th column rallies claim that there are no fair elections. OK, so where are the opinion poll results showing the
"massive" support for Navalny and other compradores? This is a very important detail. In NATO states opinion polls
are routinely used to identify levels of support for parties and politicians. Voting results are usually close to opinion
polls unless there is some big scandal. We have had in the past various NATO based pollsters showing that support
for the liberasts is under 15%. Current polling including by the "pro-West" Levada Center confirm that there is no
large base of support for Navalny, etc. Yet Navalny keeps on claiming he should be, in effect, the president of Russia.

higurashihougi wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Opposition rallies in Moscow for ‘rotation of power’ in Navalny-led protest, calling for “fair elections”

rotation of power? Navalny wants maidan but receives one way ticket to Magadan and then let him rotate between levels with uranium ores

But that would actually make him useful for a change...

4000 people was participating ? I though Navalny claimed that he would mobilize 40000 people

The figure is closer to 1000.

kvs wrote:These 5th column rallies claim that there are no fair elections.  OK, so where are the opinion poll results showing the
"massive" support for Navalny and other compradores?   This is a very important detail.  In NATO states opinion polls
are routinely used to identify levels of support for parties and politicians.  Voting results are usually close to opinion
polls unless there is some big scandal.   We have had in the past various NATO based pollsters showing that support
for the liberasts is under 15%.   Current polling including by the "pro-West" Levada Center confirm that there is no
large base of support for Navalny, etc.   Yet Navalny keeps on claiming he should be, in effect, the president of Russia.

These SOB tried to repeated what happened in December 2011. The problem is that, Putin's support in Sep 2015 is much much higher than in Dec 2011.

And 2011 failed so there is no reason for the 5th columnists to achieve anything in 2015.

But they have to do something anyway, in order to receive money from the West.

Excellent read:

Face It: Liberals in Russia Are Just a Fringe

[quote="magnumcromagnon"]Excellent read:

[url=http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/face-it-liberals-russia-are-just-fringe/ri9798]Face It: Liberals in Russia Are Just a Fringe[/url][/quote]
i was especting this

victor1985 wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Excellent read:

Face It: Liberals in Russia Are Just a Fringe

i was especting this

no way in Polish media liberals are mainstream of Russian opposition and if not denied by force they woudl rule Russia into bliss or well being and democracy.

5th column propaganda in Russia about how bad Putin has been for Russia's economy.

They took the nominal exchange rate and are spreading the routine lie that the GDP and
incomes all took a proportional hit from the exchange rate change. Of course only idiots
and liars would use dollars to "measure" these economic parameters.

So the inflation rate is 16.5% and not 100%, which means that prices in Russia have not
doubled. That means that the 33,278 ruble average income buys 16.5% less, which makes
it more like 28,565 rubles. But wait, what is that I see, the income was 27,000 rubles in
2012, the reference year for this "indictment of Putin" comparison. Oh my, so even with
the higher inflation, the incomes have gone up enough to offset it!

Please, retards, just give it up and move the f*ck out of Russia. Go suck Uncle Scam's
schlong in New York or Los Angeles. Or move to London. Just get the your 5th column
asses out of Russia.

If intelligence had anything to do with wealth or power then explain George W Bush becoming president... a man who said with all seriousness that the vast majority of imports into the US come from outside the country....

Intelligence will only get you so far... I know a lot of very intelligent people who have little drive and no ambition who are earning no where near as much as some people I know who just know how to earn money for nothing.

Look at the number of rich men and women who left school at 15 or so...

I have read that a lot of these people tend to do well because they don't fear failure... a school they would have been taught that failing or getting it wrong is bad... it is only bad if you don't learn anything from your mistakes.

In life everything is a risk... doing nothing is the biggest risk as there is no return on that risk.
Taking risks offers the chance of a good return... judgement of the risk benefit ratio can mean the best returns come from managed risk...

kvs wrote:

5th column propaganda in Russia about how bad Putin has been for Russia's economy.  

They took the nominal exchange rate and are spreading the routine lie that the GDP and
incomes all took a proportional hit from the exchange rate change.   Of course only idiots
and liars would use dollars to "measure" these economic parameters.  

So the inflation rate is 16.5% and not 100%, which means that prices in Russia have not
doubled.  That means that the 33,278 ruble average income buys 16.5% less, which makes
it more like 28,565 rubles.  But wait, what is that I see, the income was 27,000 rubles in
2012, the reference year for this "indictment of Putin" comparison.  Oh my, so even with
the higher inflation, the incomes have gone up enough to offset it!

Please, retards, just give it up and move the f*ck out of Russia.  Go suck Uncle Scam's
schlong in New York or Los Angeles.   Or move to London.   Just get the your 5th column
asses out of Russia.

We should make an edit to this and repost it online with explenation.

The funny thing is, the 5th column in Russia cannot do even basic economic calculations.  Someone needs to bring forward to them that their economy isnt in USD amd even official data stipulates GDP drop is roughly 3.8% this year.  Which then would mean the actual calculation is done via PPP and not nominal like these morons think.

sepheronx wrote:
We should make an edit to this and repost it online with explenation.

The funny thing is, the 5th column in Russia cannot do even basic economic calculations.  Someone needs to bring forward to them that their economy isnt in USD amd even official data stipulates GDP drop is roughly 3.8% this year.  Which then would mean the actual calculation is done via PPP and not nominal like these morons think.

It requires people with a willingness to accept objective facts and reality instead of wallowing rabid hate fantasy.
But it would be nice to circle some of the items in that poster and show that they contradict the drivel being peddled by it.

I will make a slight correction to "done via PPP". Actually the GDP deflator is a convolution of PPI and CPI. The PPP
approach is when comparing different economies and not the same one. The GDP deflator uses domestic consumer
and producer price inflation to adjust the summed GDP figure in nominal domestic currency prices. PPP is not an
inflation related adjustment, it attempts to match different products and services in a given country and the reference
country and then adjusts the nominal exchange based prices (it is only indirectly related to inflation, which impacts the
long term, "structural", price differences).

Here is my attempt at information to insert into a counter-poster:

Russian CPI in 2013, 2014 and 2015: 6.48%, 11.36%, under 15.5% (the 5th column poster is lying)
(source: http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/russia/historic-inflation/cpi-inflation-russia-2015.aspx)

So the cumulative inflation from the end of 2012 to the end of this year is under (1.0648*1.1136*1.155=1.3696 or 37%).
The average income increased from 27,000 rubles to 33,278 rubles or 23.25%. So the real average income has fallen by
under 13.75% and not 45% as claimed by the poster using dollar values.

In contrast, the GDP grew in 1.3% in 2013 and 0.6% in 2014. It will fall about 3.8% in 2015. So we have
(1.013*1.006*0.962=0.9804) 2% decline and not the 42% claimed by the poster.

I would say Russian income earners have done pretty well considering the scale of the ruble devaluation
and all the sanctions and NATO hate propaganda.

Good post man.  This guys use of USD terms is to try to paint this massive drop.  Sad attempt really.

kvs wrote:

sepheronx wrote:
We should make an edit to this and repost it online with explenation.

The funny thing is, the 5th column in Russia cannot do even basic economic calculations.  Someone needs to bring forward to them that their economy isnt in USD amd even official data stipulates GDP drop is roughly 3.8% this year.  Which then would mean the actual calculation is done via PPP and not nominal like these morons think.

It requires people with a willingness to accept objective facts and reality instead of wallowing rabid hate fantasy.
But it would be nice to circle some of the items in that poster and show that they contradict the drivel being peddled by it.

I will make a slight correction to "done via PPP".  Actually the GDP deflator is a convolution of PPI and CPI.   The PPP
approach is when comparing different economies and not the same one.    The GDP deflator uses domestic consumer
and producer price inflation to adjust the summed GDP figure in nominal domestic currency prices.    PPP is not an
inflation related adjustment, it attempts to match different products and services in a given country and the reference
country and then adjusts the nominal exchange based prices (it is only indirectly related to inflation, which impacts the
long term, "structural", price differences).  

Here is my attempt at information to insert into a counter-poster:

Russian CPI in 2013, 2014 and 2015: 6.48%, 11.36%, under 15.5% (the 5th column poster is lying)
(source: http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/russia/historic-inflation/cpi-inflation-russia-2015.aspx)

So the cumulative inflation from the end of 2012 to the end of this year is under (1.0648*1.1136*1.155=1.3696 or 37%).
The average income increased from 27,000 rubles to 33,278 rubles or 23.25%.  So the real average income has fallen by
under 13.75% and not 45% as claimed by the poster using dollar values.

In contrast, the GDP grew in 1.3% in 2013 and 0.6% in 2014.  It will fall about 3.8% in 2015.  So we have
(1.013*1.006*0.962=0.9804) 2% decline and not the 42% claimed by the poster.

I would say Russian income earners have done pretty well considering the scale of the ruble devaluation
and all the sanctions and NATO hate propaganda.  

This is the real data. The reality is that they are quite mediocre. Russia desperately need to create a solid economy, solve the chronic problems and develop away from an oil economy.
From 2000 to 2012 would rate this attempt as 7/10 which is good but nothing great given the low starting point. From 2012 to 2015 I would give 5/10.

Alexei Kudrin Strikes Out, Again

And this is an enemy of the country. Take a look.

sepheronx wrote:Alexei Kudrin Strikes Out, Again

And this is an enemy of the country.  Take a look.

The comments are gold like always.

Someone said "John McKudrin" and i would say it is very fitting.

sepheronx wrote:Alexei Kudrin Strikes Out, Again

And this is an enemy of the country.  Take a look.

Just try and find a single example of similar behaviour by ex-ministers in NATO countries. This sort of brazen 5th column
behaviour is something that is rather unique to Russia. Some tyranny.

kvs wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Alexei Kudrin Strikes Out, Again

And this is an enemy of the country.  Take a look.

Just try and find a single example of similar behaviour by ex-ministers in NATO countries.   This sort of brazen 5th column
behaviour is something that is rather unique to Russia.   Some tyranny.

He should be barred from all economic and political talk that is official.  Actually, I dont even know why they bother with the gaidar forums since the guy who found it was also a piece of shit.

Rus gov isnt helping by just allowing such activity to freely happen.

So essentially Kasyanav (Misha 2%) acquired money from Atlantic Councel members.  As you probably know why.

Hopefully this will be the nail in the coffin and put an end to the Paranas party and such scum.

http://thesaker.is/anti-putin-opposition-leader-kasyanov-caught-in-strasbourg-with-his-pants-down-and-blames-kadyrov/