Russian Liberal Opposition

GarryB wrote:America and the west are no different except that being much further from nature most westerners wouldn't know what to do when the rubbish man stops collecting their rubbish, let alone where the nearest safe water supply is to where they live...

When New Orleans flooded a short while back people sat on freeways a few hundred metres from stadiums set up as help centres... they couldn't make 100 metres through the water to get there... in some poor African country some guy carries his mother through a mountain range to get help for her...

Comfort has made western people fat and lazy.

GarryB wrote:If black people were being shot so regularly and for such trivial reasons (like being black which made me scared), or the large number of prisoners they have locked up in Guantanimo without charge... including children in Russia the west would have a fit.

AlfaT8 wrote:I'll be frank.
Destroying Russia isn't too difficult.

One way is with Immigration, but it's very long term.

All you need to do is convince "1" administration to implement something like a "Hard Seller Act", and wait.
The trick is to have enough immigrants flood Russia and to become "their" representatives, and slowly yet surely you will rise to power and take over the nation, and this will send the displaced locals against you, which will divide the nation and eventually lead to major conflict.

AlfaT8 wrote:Another way is through Subverting Russian Culture and Morals.

We already know this one, simply put, it's the rise of a Russian Proggressivism (Utopian Cultural Socialism).

Luckily, the Russian Orthodoxy is still very strong in Russia as well as Patriotism still being strong as well.

miketheterrible wrote:https://antimaidan.ru/news/18490

So protest yesterday had something around 12,000 people showed up. Of course opposition and fake news Twitter claim 22,000.  Now we don't know exactly if these are supporters of these dolts overall or if they were bussed in or what (still pathetic turnout for a city of 13M).  But anyway, the commission stated they will not adhear to blackmail and will uphold the law because they have proof of the libtards opposition of falsifying signatures which is a criminal offense.

So Navalny is demanding people to continue to protest till their people get to run in elections (even though they were caught red handed and did something illegal, which means is anti democratic if they demand to break the law so they can still partake in elections).  Anyway, since majority of the other protests were small this one indicates (since sanctioned) it was all opposition that partook (communists, etc).  

Anyway, this may actually force Russian authorities hands to act and actually dismantle Navalny.

higurashihougi wrote:The true problem is the ones funding such mess. Catching the pawn may make them silence for a while, but the masterminds will soon brainwash other people to turn them into other pawns.

It is clear that clowns like Navalny cannot make a name without somebody funding him. The problem is, which kind of social power is benefited from Navalny. Inside and outside Russia, who want to use Navalny for what benefit. And how Russian people deal with these masterminds.

miketheterrible wrote:Apparently he pays a lot of his stuff in Bitcoin.

So there is a place to start looking.

calripson wrote:First, having studied bitcoin it is clear that it was not developed by some unknown Japanese guy.

Secondly, the strategy of targeting local Moscow elections is an intelligent one. There is a flaw in the Russian electoral process that allows multiple candidates to dilute the vote and to allow an opposition backed candidate to make it to the second round. There are sufficient populations of "liberals" in parts of Moscow and Saint Petersburg to elect those candidates. Once in office, the can grandstand for media attention and cause trouble. As Lenin noted, it's the capital that counts in a revolution. Nobody cares what is happening in the hinterlands.

There are three possible solutions to this problem:

1. Gerrymandering - districts must be drawn to dilute the liberal vote as much as possible
2. Military bases (were the vote is overwhelmingly pro-government) can be created and included in such a way to allow those personnel to vote in liberal districts
3. The current system of dozens of candidates progressing until one first passes 50% must be changed

The fourth option is to create controlled opposition liberal parties but my feeling is the Navalny people are too smart for this

Disallowing candidates is a short term solution that feeds into the propaganda loop of a authoritarian government that does not allow dissent and which creates over time more liberal supporters.

In the U.S. system they have no trouble marginalizing threatening candidates (with the exception of the bombastic Trump) like Ron Paul. In Trump's case they had to act to triangulate him after the fact with the whole Russia-gate nonsense. Trump was unique in his wealth and celebrity status.

AlfaT8 wrote:This is why the "Privilege" to vote must be restricted, to only those that contribute..

higurashihougi wrote:@Rodion: my opinion is that these problem you address cannot be solved unless Western ruling class still receives enough profits and are still able to keep enough citizens under control so that risk of an uprising is insignificant.

The Western ruling class only care about their ruling position and their ability to extract profit from the society. Which means, hiring immigrant workers and moving "jobs" to other countries with cheaper labor price is acceptable even in the expense of increasing unemployment at the homeland.

We so far only criticized lazy unemployed people as parasites. But we haven't move to this questions: why the "job providers" hire cheap labors in other countries, why "job providers" mistreat and exploit immigrant workers instead of giving these jobs to the local unemployed people ?

And why don't these unemployed people stand up and demand that they would like to work in these job AND receive good payment so that immigrant workers and foreign labour forces will no longer be exploited and mistreated by Western "job providers" ?

What I means is, we usually put the blame on unemployed people, but we haven't ask the question, why the system generates such a phenomenon and why the system managers i.e. the ruling class let that happen ?

And actually, Western powers already carry out a number of, quite barbaric, policies to force welfare receivers to work. We already heard about the one-Euro-job. We already heard about a certain 80 yrs old German lady have to work to earn her welfare. Even the most uncivilized country does not dare to mistreat such an old lady, but these kinds of mistreatment is normal in "civilized" West. No surprise when Western people tends to be mind broken.

Something like Russia full scale invasion on Ukraine ,will be what US and UK have hoped to happen , but Russia didn't fall for the bait..

higurashihougi wrote:The true problem is the ones funding such mess. Catching the pawn may make them silence for a while, but the masterminds will soon brainwash other people to turn them into other pawns.

It is clear that clowns like Navalny cannot make a name without somebody funding him. The problem is, which kind of social power is benefited from Navalny. Inside and outside Russia, who want to use Navalny for what benefit. And how Russian people deal with these masterminds.