Russian Liberal Opposition

LMFS wrote:I seriously think we are dealing with someone with actual mental problems here. It is a pity but is also not our fault nor a burden we are responsible for carrying. The guy simply cannot think like a sane person.

So troll-tard Tsavo Pussy shows what is his
"standard" for evidence. Some clown or collection of clowns makes a claim and this claim is "proof".

By the same token troll-tard Tsavo Lion rabidly ignores the corruption of Biden and his family. Biden's pedophilia oozes out in
numerous videos of him hitting on girls, some under the age of 8. But Putin and his palaces are the only "facts" in this clown's
mind. Biden covered for Hunter in the Burisma affair while in public office when he ordered the yanqui Ukr pets to remove the
prosecutor working on that corruption case. But, muh, Putin billions.

Navalny was the last hope (at least for those who live on YouTube) but with him hitting the pavement like a turd the horrifying reality is seeping in and they are losing their shit

Navalny Movement Scraps Protests as It Digs In for Long Haul

MOSCOW—The jailing of Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny last month galvanized the biggest popular protests in Russia in nearly a decade, as his supporters were joined across the country by average Russians upset with falling living standards and shrinking political freedoms.

But Mr. Navalny’s allies have scrapped further protests following the detention of more than 6,000 in the recent demonstrations as well as police violence against the protesters—factors that could make it more difficult to keep mobilizing followers.

Instead, his movement will focus on parliamentary elections this September, when his backers hope to unseat the ruling United Russia party loyal to President Vladimir Putin.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/navalny-movement-scraps-protests-as-it-digs-in-for-long-haul-11612701865

PapaDragon wrote:

LMFS wrote:I seriously think we are dealing with someone with actual mental problems here. It is a pity but is also not our fault nor a burden we are responsible for carrying. The guy simply cannot think like a sane person.

Told ya' he is 404

Navalny was the last hope (at least for those who live on YouTube) but with him hitting the pavement like a turd the horrifying reality is seeping in and they are losing their shit

Come to think of it, that airplane redirection was hilarious as fuck, Navalny thought that this would be his big moment but instead he ended up like this:

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

LMFS wrote:I seriously think we are dealing with someone with actual mental problems here. It is a pity but is also not our fault nor a burden we are responsible for carrying. The guy simply cannot think like a sane person.

Told ya' he is 404

Navalny was the last hope (at least for those who live on YouTube) but with him hitting the pavement like a turd the horrifying reality is seeping in and they are losing their shit

Come to think of it, that airplane redirection was hilarious as fuck, Navalny thought that this would be his big moment but instead he ended up like this:

Care to explain the reference?
After all not everyone is into hentai like yourself

GarryB wrote:

.- the regime showed it's piggy bandit nature; its mask was completely removed by the FBK.

So FBK is a respected independent organisation, or a bastard creation of Navalny... Fkups, Bstards, and Cnts... is that the translation?-its perceived reputation isn't relevant; it's Putin's reputation that is at stake now.

- that's coming; it's called gradual application of pressure.

It is not because there is nothing to seize... Putin isn't that stupid, but the west are... so all the oligarchs in Russia that were stealing and stashing stuff away in the west are now worried because it is low hanging fruit for Americans desperately searching for Russian shit to sanction.-there r 100s of $Ms of Putin's assets there under different names  too.

.- not if that accompanies with seizures of their assets & personal sanctions.

Simple... don't allow your assets to get within reach of western countries... it is not rocket science...-too late now.

But hilarious that you think western sanctions are working...-they bite for sure, "death by a thousand cuts".

- they still have $ & enough rubles to bribe the top brass. Recall how Nicolas II was forced to abdicate after domestic situation deteriorated.

Love how your mind works... Russia is on the brink of collapse and its police are shooting protesters in the streets... it seems you think....-wrong: it'll take a while, but in the end this corrupt regime will go with a bang.

Except Putin is still by far their best bet for a leader for at least the next 10 years, no one has been shot, despite illegal protests of small groups of idiots...-it'll be a miracle if no1 dies in future protests & detentions before 2022; it only looked stable, but it's on the feet of clay, like the late Russian Empire & the USSR were.

It is America where people are being shot by police with no investigation... which just makes it murder doesn't it?- Russia doesn't have the US racism problem, but the police there treats civilians like cattle. Before, it was called "militia", then after 1 drunken & deranged militiaman shot a few shoppers in the supermarket, the law governing it & the name was changed. Ukraine followed suit, but Belarus didn't. The OMON, or riot police, still has M in it. But even after a purge of many unprofessional/substandard officers, there were a few wrongful deaths, long before the latest unrest. Most issues haven't been fixed. Now, they act like the occupants, but only with Russian names & passports.

- the only real criminal offence he ever committed is standing up to Putin, refusing to die, & dare to return. He can get out the same day he agrees to be deported for good.

If he did what he did in the US he would have been in jail years ago.-I'm not idealizing the US, by any means. But it doesn't mean that both US & RF should never come out of barbarism, come hell or high water.

-earning him more support from those who admired Putin only 2 weeks ago.

What Putin has done has not changed, Putin has had nothing to do with Navalny getting arrested... this has nothing to do with Putin, because it is a police issue and a courts issue. Presidents get involved in political cases like western politicians demanding Navalny be released, or Assange be murdered in his cell...See how that works?- I see it better than u: Navalny is a politician, he ran for Moscow mayor, & was obstructed from forming a party & challenging Putin in elections.

-I don't have access to real evidence to present; even if I did, u can always say it's fake or was photoshopped.

The shit you are talking about... bribes etc there is no evidence of because it is all made up...-that's what official propaganda wants u to believe.
Putin was in the KGB... so what... a lot of people in Russia worked for the KGB. It means nothing.-in the Russian reality, it means a lot, & u better believe it!

it's easy to dismiss/ignore anything to preserve a certain worldview.

It is easy to dismiss stuff that does not make sense.- but whatever makes sense to u, it doesn't to me.

Putin doesn't have any dirty secrets so they make them up...-he does, & they r now exposed as never before. the FBK followed the $; Navalny has the relevant investor's education & skills to follow all those trails like a wolfhound.

Show me the evidence used by Putin's courts against Navalny, not his media, & that Putin wouldn't benefit from killing & now prosecuting & jailing Navalny.

They are not Putins courts.- I don't want to hear that fairy tale anymore! if a judge must be changed to hear the Navalny's case & brought to a police station to do that, then there is no separation of power at all. Many others already figuratively asked Putin to pull his pants up or take his cross off.
Linking Putin to Hitler is another good indicator of a fuckwit...- I didn't, the others did.

Also that the laws & procedures r followed, not violated, in his prosecution. Let's hear from independent Russian criminal law experts. Those I heard all say that there's no precedent to how his cases were conducted.

No, there isn't... for stealing 400K from a foreign company there is no way he should be walking the streets ignoring parole restrictions and limits... he should have gone straight to jail.- he earned them according to a contract; a lot bigger bribes & thefts, incl. those connected to Putin's circle happen all the time there, but somehow it's the real opposition that gets all the blame now.

- what rules? let's see the list he didn't follow. show evidence that the gov. did act in good faith & with diligence, not on a whim.

I don't have to. You have to prove Putin did it... that is your claim.- I'm not as good as the fictional Sherlock Holmes, but can use his methods of deduction & elimination. que bono? if he didn't eliminate threats to his rule by such methods, he would be in prison or grave now, like many dictators before him.

- that's not & shouldn't be the topic under discussion on this tread- we r talking about events & issues in Russia, not US or France.

How can you in the US complain about the situation in Russia when France and the US are demonstrably worse.- again, that doesn't make the situation in Russia any better than it is, when being compared not to worse examples, but with what it should be. Everything is relative.

- other Putin lovers here post their sources, so why should I do the same? I still read & watch them but can see their lies & misrepresentations that u don't.

You see them in your head perhaps.- that's ur of conjecture, made with contempt; should I speculate more what u see in ur head/dreams?

.- I didn't praise US demplutocracy here, did I? Let's focus on our topic!

The topic is the western funded Russian liberal opposition who want to turn Russia into the US.- not true. show me in their program documents they say that. borrowing certain things isn't = to copy everything.

- by blockading it or making his stay there unsafe/not pleasant, or removing him from power.

He would likely arrive by helicopter,.. -those 3 helipads will come handy, but his 3 helos better have chaff to dispense. But all this is moot because it is not his and he likely will never stay there..- with the FBK help, now he'll avoid it like a plague, at least till the dust settles. But what is to prevent Ks of protesters blockading all the roads/coast & storming it? some rich Russian/Georgian folks may even get mortars from army arsenals & reduce it to rubble. Then Putin will be pulled out of the bunker underneath like Saddam was, with Saakashvili greeting him, unless he kills himself 1st.

- facts out of context is not complete truth, even if none r omitted.

Facts rarely come from the mouth of a convicted embezzler.- there's even less reason to believe a non-convicted 1. a good looking apple may have a worm in it; in fact, a can worms in Putin's case.

-how do u know that it's only by his talents/efforts? what if he had advisors who did it, with him acting as a figurehead?

It is his job essentially as a manager is to pick good people under him and get them to do the work as directed by him. Pick the right people, make sure they know what they are doing and set them on their task and check back on them every once and a while to see any progress of if they have ideas or different solutions that might work better.- as Nemtsov showed, it's still not all due to his & his team talents that Russia got better- w/o the high oil prices, her economy would be in the dipper gutter it is now.

.- none that u saw & would accept, but that evidence exists.

If it is not accepted then it is not evidence... it is heresay.- only since u & others like u refuse to accept it?

Familiar modus operandi! W/o poisoning, how did he fall into coma?

Well there is the evidence... there are millions of people around the world in hospitals in comas...-what was the cause of it then? the hospital in Omsk didn't name anything remotely legible.
I never realised the level of evil of Putin to have poisoned all those people...- pl. spare me from ur syllogisms & twisted logic next time.

EXCEPT REAL NOVACHOK... THE REAL STUFF, NOT THE BS THE UK PISSES ON ABOUT, IS LETHAL... NO COMA... JUST DEATH IN MINUTES.- it was from the same family, & designed not to act instantly; in trace amounts, it didn't work 100% to kill him.

- no shit! FYI, all foreigners r followed in Russia, so there was no need to follow Navalny.

To find the honey it makes more sense to follow the Bees than to watch the trees with flowers.-right, those foreigners were the bees to be followed to honey which was Navalny.

that was overkill. He could be detained at home or his office with less drama.

But he is a drama queen... he probably had an erection when they cuffed him.- how silly! why should the police, if it's independent of Putin & professional, be concerned with all that? it's not a James Bond movie.

But Putin actually played into his plan to allow him to claim that it was all about showing his power over him.

Of course... foreign agent embezzling criminals should always be treated with respect and be above the law at all times.- r u sure that Putin isn't really working for German or some other interests, besides not his own? he was stationed in Germany, had contacts there & could be recruited to get the cut from gas exports. before I joined the USN, I cleaned restaurant tables; now I'm "turning tables" on u!

-gradually applied pressure didn't work on him.

Bullshit... most non violent crimes are not punished with jail times in Russia these days... having full prisons hasn't made the US a better place so they are looking for alternative solutions.- intimidation is the preferred tactic used by bandits, & Putin is 1 of them, & now it is he who is getting scared.

- & becoming a martyr.

A martyr no one gives a shit about is still a martyr I suppose.... but makes no difference to anything.- 10s, if not 100s of Ks/Ms of people who r not even his supporters do care; that's another of ur delusions.

- r u sure? so, it's all Western propaganda, with several labs confirming them?

Labs that confirm yet refuse to show their results are propaganda bitch mouth pieces for the Americans wanting NSII stopped.- their printed results is just a peace of paper with formulas & narrative that will be dismissed as fake & propaganda by Russia, just like u dismiss anything that contradicts ur convictions.

- since u like to switch to my place, let me ask: how the elites in NZ treat poor Whites, Pacific Islanders, & Maoris?

Never seen our elites personally, most poor Pacific Islanders choose to live here on benefits rather than live in the islands they came from on less. Most poor pissed off Maori go to Australia.- & r they treated there better than their Blacks?

- pl. present me a full story on that.

You wont find any real news about investment in Russia on CNN...-so, there r no other sources on that?

- there r already many Anglicisms in Russian; it won't happen.

Putins replacement from the Communist party will sort that out...- the CPRF won't be ruling alone, if at all.

- let's see who will be left standing & chosen a winner in the end. as we say here: we r not out of the woods yet!

Navalnys the guy the west wants for the job... how could that possibly be good for Russia.-they want Putin gone, if Navalny & the opposition he leads or part of can help in that, so be it. that's called pragmatism.
Russia needs to realise the west is over and the rest of the world is where their future is.-only after her double headed eagle on the coat of arms changes to a single headed, or if both heads look in 1 direction. The Nazis, Americans, & Mexicans had/have their eagles too. Empires r addicted to such symbolism.

A society that relies on law enforcers to keep going in in deep decay.

But that is America and France and Germany...-true, but somehow there is more stench in Russia. There was a Soviet saying: the west is rotting, but we have the stinking smell.

- if Putin's rating falls, as it does now, & his party looses in the Duma, & the oligarchs loose a$$ets, he wins.

Putins ratings will change over time but each time it moves 1% that is more people than ever voted for Navalny...- & other opposition candidates.

his biggest problem will be to keep his supporters from defecting; even w/o Navalny, some1 else would take his place to expose his "nakedness".

Yeah, under his clothes he is naked because he is a person. Under Navalnys costume is half a man with a stick up his ass... the guy is a puppet for foreign governments...-like Lenin, Uncle Ho, Sun Yat Sen, Saddam, & now Modi? don't make me laugh!

- u got it!

Navalny is EU and US funded... they want... and he wants Russia to be just like them.- he's not that stupid to be a useful idiot.

- at least it has a long border & good relations with China to learn from that philosophy. If the Mongols could, why not the Russians?

You want Russia to learn that they should not know who their real leader is from the Chinese communist party leader Xi... whose face is probably in every house and every subway in China...- Xi, like any other CCP member, isn't a true Taoist. Russia has many Cinologists that can explain Taoist concepts to those who would listen.

- these r just ur assumptions to fit ur idea of reality; don't expect me to take it as truth.

These are assumptions that fit the known facts. Claims Putin can be bought does not fit the character of the man and his last 20 odd years in power.- that's a myth believed by his useful idiots; as u said, he's a naked human under his clothes after all; by now, he & his kids/lovers have enough & rn't for sale anymore.

- the oligarchs now kissing his boots been committing bigger crimes but r still free to enjoy life; how come?

Maybe they are not publicly dissing the Russian president and calling him a murderer and poisoner and trying to collaborate with the west to get the Nord Stream II project cancelled to try to cost the Russian people billions of dollars so the US can peddle its LNG more competitively to the EU?- they r profiting from his rule, but fleecing the RF. no wonder they smear the FBK, Navalny & the liberals, while professing their loyalty to Michail Ivanovich- a code name they use for Putin. btw, if he was that clean, they would use his real name while conversing in public.

- that'll happen later, unless Putin resigns before it's too late.

He does not need to resign.- IMO, the RF needs his resignation ASAP, & the sooner he realizes it, the better.

-besides the point; Trump done a lot of damage while president, so there's more reason to support the opposition in Russia.

So you think Putin got Trump into the whitehouse in the US..-no, he got there on his own, but the FSB cultivated him for future use as a normal practice
..and trump did a lot of damage and in revenge you want to get Putin fired so that Russia gets a little fucked up too...- I don't want Russia to be fucked, her people got raped by Putinism already!

analyse usage data, like the man I quoted, & u'll see that most views r done in European RF in the lunch hour.

The man you quoted probably works for the CIA and just typed those numbers in himself.- he's not the only 1 who can analyze utube; where r his debunkers that proved that the clip has no impact on the public opinion in the RF?

- there r 10x more, I don't see much of critical thinking of ur own here. denials, ignorance, refusals, & bias r omnipresent in ur posts.

Youtube clicks is not evidence of anything...-time usage showed it was being watched in European Russia during the lunch hour, & calculated as average 20min at a time. Not unusual for a 2hr clip. even if no1 watched it till the end, they got the message: Putin is a criminal.

.- yes, they had their fun; finally, we made some progress!

Progress? We have established that Putin would be stupid to buy land or hide money in the west... which means odds are there is no stolen money because he would have no way to keep it.- the West intel was just watching him & he got complacent; if he tries to get those assets back now, he'll find the trap had closed.

- PM me & teach me to do that. But I doubt the new sanctions will not close that market.

It is not hard it is just maths... you can buy product x from Russia - name me a Russian product that USA needs so bad & that no1 else is in the business of importing it.

Hang on... you want to get rid of Putin in revenge because you think putin inflicted trump on you.- already refuted above; I don't have such shallow reasoning.

the Eurasian Union want be whole w/o it.

Russia alone is enough of europe to be part of eurasian org. Any extra would spoil the mix...-Brzezinski was right: w/o Ukraine, Russia can't be an empire. The Eurasian Union is just a new 21st century name for it.

-anti-Putin isn't anti-Russian! as a non-Russian, u r not qualified to call any1 there a traitor!

You want to remove the rightful and legal leader of Russia from his position and replace him with a western tool.- that's another myth: he never was rightful nor 100% legal.

- he is 1 of those who gave the bribe; now it's a hot potato to him & his friends.

It is not a bribe to build himself a mansion.- true, but he didn't build it for himself. If he did, Putin would've taken it away: "how come he has a bigger & better palace than I do, set up a restricted zone & uses my FSO to guard it, that's an insult! Let's put him in a prison camp for corruption & seize his assets like we did with Khodorkovsky & his Ukos. Connect me with the Prosecutor General!". Thanks, the evidence had come the full circle.

- then, Putin was even more brazen & cavalier having the $1B palace built for him.

It is not Putins mansion.- I hope it'll never be his, even de-facto.

look up the maps of the Shang & Han Dynasties & compare them with maps of the Tang, Ming, Ching eras & the modern China.

No. -u forced my hand:


https://courses.lumenlearning.com/sac-asianarthistory/chapter/shang-zhou-and-qin-dynasties/

https://www.sutori.com/story/shang-dynasties-vs-han-dynasties--KfPFLtcpsQxFDFkaU9ctEniX

https://www.sutori.com/story/ancient-china-from-shang-to-han-dynasties--AkVZFUEndQGLDjX1MiYCXWdA
China also held Vietnam for a K years; the trend is to expand to the SE Asia & then Australia, & NZ is just next to it.

Finally on if Putin is corrupted - of course he is. He is human after all,

So guilty without evidence. I guess the pope and mother teresa are corrupted too...- yes, they r/were; many others accused them of that.

Just one of his watches costs more that what he should have earned leagally from salaries in several years.

What is this bullshit with the watches?  There are no state owned watches he can wear... Russia and the Soviet Union have a strong history of making excellent watches is it possible a factory he visited that made watches might have given him an expensive one... I am sure he gets expensive gifts all the time... and once people hear he likes expensive watches then that would become a good choice for any future gifts.- which will be viewed as bribes; a person in his position shouldn't be taking them. Did he become the president of Russia to sport watches while most of his people spend all their time trying to have ends meet?

He does not seem to have sold out the Russian people so far for new watches though....- being wrapped in the flag isn't enough to keep rosy glasses on his citizens subjects
..otherwise the west would not be so keen to try to get rid of him.-Ngo Di Diem didn't sell his S. Vietnamese but was still removed in a coup. A good precedent!

- no, there was gradual tightening of control & more authoritarianism.

Yeah, like lockdowns and having to wear masks...-& cracking down on mostly peaceful protests, dissent, the independent media & restricting freedom of speech.

I hope Putin will get that picture in his daily briefing, if he didn't see it already!

Kasparov's website... Please...-it least he has better applied logic skills than u; don't judge a book by its cover!

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

LMFS wrote:I seriously think we are dealing with someone with actual mental problems here. It is a pity but is also not our fault nor a burden we are responsible for carrying. The guy simply cannot think like a sane person.

Told ya' he is 404

Navalny was the last hope (at least for those who live on YouTube) but with him hitting the pavement like a turd the horrifying reality is seeping in and they are losing their shit

Come to think of it, that airplane redirection was hilarious as fuck, Navalny thought that this would be his big moment but instead he ended up like this:

Care to explain the reference?
After all not everyone is into hentai like yourself

PapaDragon wrote:
Tzavo is losing it more than usual, he is devolved into posting nothing but YouTube videos and he hides it all behind hyperlinks hoping that someone will slip up and click on them thinking t's an actual news article  

Navalny Movement Scraps Protests as It Digs In for Long Haul

MOSCOW—The jailing of Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny last month galvanized the biggest popular protests in Russia in nearly a decade, as his supporters were joined across the country by average Russians upset with falling living standards and shrinking political freedoms.

But Mr. Navalny’s allies have scrapped further protests following the detention of more than 6,000 in the recent demonstrations as well as police violence against the protesters—factors that could make it more difficult to keep mobilizing followers.

Instead, his movement will focus on parliamentary elections this September, when his backers hope to unseat the ruling United Russia party loyal to President Vladimir Putin.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/navalny-movement-scraps-protests-as-it-digs-in-for-long-haul-11612701865

Tsavo Lion wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Tzavo is losing it more than usual, he is devolved into posting nothing but YouTube videos and he hides it all behind hyperlinks hoping that someone will slip up and click on them thinking t's an actual news article  

dead wrong: as per rules, links need a description, & I just started following them!
The siloviki (security forces) completely control Russia, Putin's power has become nominal

Tsavo Lion wrote:How good became bad under Putin

60 minutes in hot pursuit of 02/05/2021

Blast from the past: They Chose Freedom - Episode 1
a four-part documentary by Vladimir Kara-Murza (Jr.), is dedicated to the history of the dissident movement in the USSR from its inception in the 1950s to the fall of communist rule in 1991. The film presents key episodes from the history of dissent & KGB involvement in its suppression.

2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BlY39J3Hpo

3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAyHqgVctGg

4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfaofpDxiKY

Tsavo Lion wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Tzavo is losing it more than usual, he is devolved into posting nothing but YouTube videos and he hides it all behind hyperlinks hoping that someone will slip up and click on them thinking t's an actual news article  

dead wrong: as per rules, links need a description, & I just started following them!
The siloviki (security forces) completely control Russia, Putin's power has become nominal

Big_Gazza wrote:

Navalny Movement Scraps Protests as It Digs In for Long Haul

MOSCOW—The jailing of Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny last month galvanized the biggest popular protests in Russia in nearly a decade, as his supporters were joined across the country by average Russians upset with falling living standards and shrinking political freedoms.

But Mr. Navalny’s allies have scrapped further protests following the detention of more than 6,000 in the recent demonstrations as well as police violence against the protesters—factors that could make it more difficult to keep mobilizing followers.

Instead, his movement will focus on parliamentary elections this September, when his backers hope to unseat the ruling United Russia party loyal to President Vladimir Putin.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/navalny-movement-scraps-protests-as-it-digs-in-for-long-haul-11612701865

Nav-anally thinks he and his idiot rabble will "unseat" Putin?...

hah...

hahaha...

/splutter

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/cough

BWAAA...  HAAAA....  HAAAAA.....  HAAAA...... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bring it on, you little fucking traitorous comprador maggot !!!  

kvs wrote:
Note the inane language, worthy of troll-tard Tsavo Feline, about galvanized protests.

An incident in Maryland in which a driver attacked a deputy sheriff with a stick before being shot to death was caught on film by a witness. The man can be heard calling on the deputy to use his gun.