The Uran-9 has manpads and ATGMs so I don't see why IFVs or BMPTs should have any less armament.
Uran-9 is a robot designed for a variety of roles that is too small to carry a 120mm or 100mm gun so gun tube launched ATGMs or SAMs are not really an option.
The BMPT already carries Ataka missiles that come in HEAT and HE Frag versions for anti armour use and also anti aircraft/soft target use.
The BMP-3 already has 100mm guided missiles to do the same.
Neither vehicle needs additional externally mounted weapons that could be damaged in combat or require crew to climb around the outside of the vehicle to reload.
"Ditto with ATGMs." What does this mean?
Means "the same for".
The arguments given for SAMs also apply to the use of ATGMs.
In other words I said:
SAMs are generally big and are pretty redundant if you can fire 120mm guided rounds through the 120mm gun/mortar.
Ditto with ATGMs.
Which basically means:
SAMs are generally big and are pretty redundant if you can fire 120mm guided rounds through the 120mm gun/mortar.
ATGMs are generally big and are pretty redundant if you can fire 120mm guided rounds through the 120mm gun/mortar.
As for 30mm rotary cannon the Russian military always seems to favor claiber over fire rate so I guess they could just ask KPB to make them a 57mm rotary cannon and have both.
Rotary cannons are useful for 30mm rounds because the increase in rate of fire means it can put up small unaimed interceptors more rapidly... think of it in terms of a shotgun blast sending up hundreds of small pellets per shot to intercept small fast moving targets.
It makes no sense to make large calibre guns into rotary cannons when such larger calibres rely on guided shells for interception performance or air burst rounds rather than rate of fire.
About the gatling 57mm gun, if created, not sure if any current platform can whistand its weigh and its recoil.
Its size and weight alone would make it fairly useless, and no matter what rate of fire it achieved the capacity for any vehicle to carry ammo for it would be limited... there is no point having a 20 ton gatling gun that has space left for 40 rounds of ammo because the gun is too big and the stabilising mechanism is huge...
The systems shown carry a maximum of 140 rounds, so 120 rounds per minute is plenty...
The advantages of sticking a bunch of different systems into one platform may be outweighed by just having one cannon-type weapon and the option to mount a bunch of different missiles for different purposes, like the "Epoch" and the Uran-9 turret.
Exactly... Hollywood and computer game land vs reality... you might carry 10 different assault rifles in a computer game, but in the real world you carry rather different weapon types to offer differing capabilities and you might have a back up weapon or two.
Instead of carrying an SA-80 and an FAMAS and a Steyr and an M4 all in 5.56mm, you'd pick one and just carry the weight of the three guns you leave behind in extra ammo.
I absolutely agree. I am favour of having just a single rapid-fire 45-57mm autocannon paired with a few externally mounted large caliber ATGMs.
I am not suggesting using this vehicle as a mortar carrier replacement... the gun/mortar is there as a replacement for the BMP-3s 100mm gun in the direct fire role with a heavy HE payload with a backup capacity to engage point targets at extended range with guided rounds and of course small aerial targets too.
No I was not a vehicle with 2 or 4 AO-18s could wipe out sizable formations of enemy infantry and light armor in a very short amount of time while a 57mm could not but the 57mm does have the advantage in range and armor penetration.
The Tunguska has about 2,000 rounds of ready to fire ammo on board and most other vehicles wont carry that much more.
The extreme rate of fire of the AO-18 is to hit small manouvering targets rapidly... ground targets don't need that sort of rate of fire so bursts would be used instead of long continuous automatic fire... if rate of fire is needed then two twin barrel 2A38M guns is perfectly adequate for the job of obliterating groups of enemy in the open... and tunguska and pantsir vehicles are already in service... the Armata versions will have plenty of armour for a role on the front line dealing with enemy hard points... of course a direct fire 120mm gun/mortar would do a better job against sandbag bunkers...
If your target is 100 infantry and 20 LAV-25s then the AO-18 is clearly the weapon best suited for the job.
Actually no.
Against 20 Lavs a 57mm gun with semi armour piercing HE rounds would be devastating... each shot would really fuck them up... while air burst 57mm rounds above the ground those 100 infantry just lay flat on would be vastly more effective than trying to hit them with thousands of 30mm rounds... of course the 30mm option would look more impressive with dust and crap everywhere but the gunner wont know if he is hitting flesh or hitting just dirt with big long bursts.
If you target is 5 CV-90s then the 57mm weapon is best suited for that role.
Yeah.... odds are you are not going to get that sort of thing happening... the enemy will have a range of target vehicles present and all will be firing back at you... the 57mm gun means you can fire from further away and still get good kills.
A 120mm gun/mortar with guided rounds also means standoff range...
Maybe there should be 2 difforent configurations of BMPT.
a long range BMPT with a 120mm gun mortar and a 57mm autocannon
and a short range BMPT with 2 AO-18s some unguided rockets and some ATGMs
BMPTs are used to attack light armour and enemy infantry and are intended to support tanks.
I rather suspect they will come in two configurations... both with 57mm weapons... one high velocity and one grenade launcher.
The one with the grenade launcher as the main gun will have a battery of Bulat short range ATGMs and a couple of big Kornet missiles for tanks, with its grenade launcher for use against soft targets and infantry, while the other model with the high velocity 57mm gun would likely also have Bulat and Kornet, but be more oriented for use against enemy mechanised forces.
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