[Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

calripson wrote:T-72 and T-90 derivatives are 1970's vintage technology at heart. It's time to shift production to modern designs. Just to replace all the tanks in the 1st Guards Tank Army will take 5 years at 100 per year not to mention T -15 in the armored units which would be another couple of hundred units. I would apply the same rationale to Su 57 production. Time to shift 100% to modern designs. No more re-polished 50 year old designs. It's 2021.

mnztr wrote:The T14 has a huge amount of automation on it, including the unmanned turret. The Russians are logically uneasy that there may be a weak spot they missed so going all on one tech is not gonna happen. Even the US operates a very broad range of versions of M1. The M60 was manufactured until 1983 and only retired in 1991 by the USA. It is still quite widely used elsewhere T-55  is stilll used very widely. With remote controlled turrets the upgrade potential of old tanks is even further increased. You can drop that 5T turret on, uparmour the hell out of the tank with the weight savings and end up with a pretty dangrous MBT.

Big_Gazza wrote:
My view is that the modernised T-72/80/90 fleet is a strategic resource for future conversion into UGVs once the technology finally matures and tactical doctrines are established for effective warfare by unmanned vehicles.  Future armoured formations will be characterised by heavily-protected manned Armata-style vehicles supported by a large number of UGVs, both controlled by remote from operators in Armata vehicles, as well as autonomous AI-controlled.  

Until that becomes a reality, the Russian military will maintain its Soviet-era tank designs and continue with progressive evolutionary upgrades.

lyle6 wrote:As we've seen even designs that weren't really meant for long term exploitation like the T-64/72 pattern could serve for at least half a century with upgrades keeping them just barely ahead of obsoletion. The T-14 designed with modularity in mind should serve for at least that long while keeping more or less abreast with the bleeding edge provided they keep the factories working for that much long just as the US does with its Abrams. A few battalion sets per year is not much compared to cold levels of production, but that was then when equipment was so much cheaper and the military budget was several times larger.

Another issue is the T-14 is the pinnacle of tank technology - higher technology means much higher levels of competencies necessary to operate the equipment effectively. One of the selling points of the Soviet tank design school was of the huge commonality in operation between the later and early models which meant that transitioning from say a T-55 to a T-72 is not going to be that much of an issue. This was made possible through deliberate streamlining and simplification of technologies which made it so that operating and maintaining these vehicles would not require much more out of a mostly conscript operator pool.

The T-14 is the exact opposite. It will require much more heavily trained and skilled operators with far broader skillsets, which only means more time and resources spent for any single Armata crew member's education. Draftees aren't going to cut it as we've seen one park his tank in the middle of red square for everyone to see. The next generation of tankers could very well be closer to attack helo pilots than they are to today's tankers with how involved they are going to be. You could even see it in their crew stations:

marcellogo wrote:
A platoon of Tanks is 9 men, a company 30, just take the section and squad platoon commanders and vicecommanders of an actual conscript based infantry btg and you are served.

GarryB wrote:Actually I would say in the newer vehicles and aircraft the operators are becoming more like managers than direct users.

The information at their fingertips and their options to do different things and call support are greatly magnified with the new gear and equipment.

The commander of a T-55 could not see the live video feed of a drone operating above his unit, and certainly could not see the EO view of a nearby Mi-24 Hind and mark on the display the enemy position he wants the helicopter to engage for him.

There will be AI systems scanning all available video feeds from cameras all over these vehicles so if something is moving it can attract the attention of the commander for instance. Pressing a button might allow the system to jump from potential target or threat to the next allowing the user to prioritise and engage in a suitable order...

Flying a Flanker would be much easier than flying a MiG-23, with the Su-35 having most of the manual procedures like measuring the time an SARH target needs to be illuminated during an engagement fully automated or made obsolete...

In comparison the T-14 will be easy to operate once you know what everything does... and the Su-57 will probably fly itself most of the time.

Rosatom has created a shell for the Armata tank


Rosatom state Corporation is working on standard ammunition for the t-14 Armata tank.

"The projectile will be ready by the time the installation batch of tanks is delivered to the Russian Armed forces at the end of 2021," Andrey Terlikov, General designer of the vehicle developer, Ural transport engineering design Bureau, told IDEX 2021 in Abu Dhabi. His words are quoted by RIA Novosti.

- Ammunition is a separate topic. There are very high requirements for power and efficiency. Rosatom is the elite of the Russian research and production complex. There will definitely be success here. The development of ammunition is synchronized with state tests, as a result, the tank will go to the troops with this ammunition, " Terlikov said.

The international premiere of "Armata"took place at IDEX. Uralvagonzavod also brought a new UBIM armored vehicle to Abu Dhabi.

Given the profile of Rosatom's activities, it is logical to assume that the ammunition in question is an armor-piercing sub-caliber projectile of increased power. Its core is made of extremely strong and heavy material. Depleted uranium is optimal.

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LMFS wrote:Serial deliveries of "Armata" will begin in 2022

Andrey Terlikov, General Director - Chief Designer of the Ural Design Bureau of Transport Engineering, said that they intend to reduce the cost of the tank in the course of its serial production.

ABU DHABI, February 21. / TASS /. Serial deliveries of T-14 Armata main battle tanks to the Russian Defense Ministry will begin in 2022. Andrey Terlikov, General Director and Chief Designer of the Ural Design Bureau of Transport Engineering (UKBTM, part of the Uralvagonzavod concern (UVZ) of the Rostec state corporation), told reporters at the IDEX-2021 international arms exhibition.
Special project on the topic

"From 2022, we will enter stable serial deliveries of these machines," Terlikov informed.

According to him, UVZ has already signed serial supply contracts with the RF Ministry of Defense. "State tests of the" Armata "are underway, we expect their completion within the next year or two. By the end of 2021, under one of the contracts, it is planned to supply an initial batch of cars," Terlikov said.

The pilot batch of the T-14 Armata main battle tanks will be equipped with the latest ammunition. "The development of a new ammunition for the" Armata "is engaged in the enterprises of Rosatom - the scientific elite, a serious resource is involved. It is synchronized with the development of the tank, during the state tests we docked and coordinated it. The pilot batch of" Armata "will go with this ammunition," Terlikov said.

"Armata was created in order to ensure superiority over the best analogs. We keep the bar at the required height. We are not going to surrender positions," he added.

Tank cost
Terlikov said that UVZ intends to reduce the "Armata" cost in the course of its serial production.

"Even today, according to <...> contracts <...> between UVZ and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the figures are adequate. There will be a counter movement here: we will work out the technology, reduce labor intensity, increase manufacturability and, taking into account the deflator for new contracts, we will agree on a price that will suit both sides, "Terlikov informed.

According to him, "it is too early to say unequivocally that this is a mass car."

The general director added that the real cost of the tank will be determined in the third year of serial production. "Then the development of technologies for the manufacture of the final sample, the manufacture of components will be completed," Terlikov explained.

Cannon "Armata"
Terlikov said that the "Armata" cannon has a significant superiority over the armament of tanks of other countries.

"The gun on the Armata is new, this is its main distinguishing feature. The whole vehicle is built around the" cannon-projectile "system. The tank has superior weapons power. The muzzle energy of the gun is higher than that of our [foreign] colleagues," Terlikov informed.

According to him, a wide range of ammunition has been developed for the "Armata" cannon. "This is a new ammunition load, including a range of ammunition - armor-piercing subcaliber, caliber, high-explosive fragmentation with remote detonation. Due to weapons, we count on a significant advantage," added Terlikov.

The first foreign demonstration of the T-14 "Armata" tank is taking place at the IDEX 2021 international arms exhibition.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10757027

PapaDragon wrote:
Hell yeah, stick with what works

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