[Official] Armata Discussion thread #5

Look above: its the cassettes for the projectile and charges. Someone was even kind enough to position an old APFSDS projectile just to compare

Russian military will receive more than 40 Armata tanks after 2023 - Military Industrial Complex Board

Moscow. December 9th. INTERFAX - The Armata tank has received new shells, state tests of the entire complex will be completed in 2022, First Deputy chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission (MIC) of Russia Andrey Yelchaninov said in an interview with Interfax.
"The tests are continuing. This year, the new ammunition for the tank also entered state tests. We expect them to be completed in full in 2022. More than 40 Armata tanks will be transferred to the troops after 2023," Yelchaninov said.
According to him, the T-14 is a step forward for decades, the re-equipment of troops for this machine will be phased and smooth as the service life of tanks of previous generations expires.
As Interfax reported, the Armata platform was developed by Uralvagonzavod Concern as a base for the T-14 main battle tank, the T-15 heavy infantry fighting vehicle and the T-16 armored repair and evacuation vehicle. Armored vehicles on the Armata platform are being tested.
The T-14 is considered the world's only tank of the third post-war generation. According to military experts, "Armata" is a new word in tank construction, has no analogues in the world. This is a fundamentally new and completely Russian development. The T-14 tower is uninhabited. For the first time, the crew is placed in an armored capsule separated from the ammunition.

https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=562009&lang=RU

miketheterrible wrote:40 by 2023?  I thought they were to transfer 100 this year?

What happened?

They got or are getting 20 this year. The rest of the article was news to me also so am sharing. As with all news, will have to wait and see.

calripson wrote:So, since the 2016 unveiling of Armata, Kurganetz, and Bumerang platforms - 5 .5 years later, we have: maybe 20 Armata tanks being delivered this year or maybe not. (After being told 100 were being produced 2 years ago). Zero Kurganetz and zero Bumerang in service. These cannot all be technical issues. Sounds to me like the bean counters would rather procure warmed over 1970s tech retreads than pay the rubles for modern and survivable armor technology.

UVZ has the production capacity to shit out several battalions per year. But what for?

The very best that NATO has to offer are just warmed over Cold war leftovers as well which modernized T-90s could handle just fine.

The vast majority of NATO tanks were never even upgraded since the cold war ended - and the T-72B3s which form the backbone of Russian armor would absolutely mop those up without any issues whatsoever.

calripson wrote:
Or, they have decided that in the era of suicide drones and advanced fire and forget anti-armor weapons the survivability difference isn't worth the money.

And yet the Russians keep pouring money into armor all the same. Several battalions per year worth of T-72B3/80BVM/90M. They've also heavily invested into supporting arms like artillery and tactical air defences.

calripson wrote:The neocon wet dream scenario is Ukraine destroying large numbers of separatists' tanks or Russian tanks sent into Donbass via the 400 Javelin missiles they have provided or the Turkish suicide drones. Replicating the Israeli experience in Lebanon or the Armenian experience in Nagorno Karabakh. No one ever said they were original. If the Russian military has not thought through this scenario and developed countermeasures for it; they are criminally incompetent.

What the **** are you talking about? The Russian Army fields significantly outsized advantages in artillery (3-1, more like 7-1) and tactical air defences (crushing vs. nil) -  both hard counters to Javelins and UCAVs.

If anything, only the terminally blind and stupid can think Javelins and Bayraktars could even make a dent against an even halfway serious Russian advance...