IRAQ - Fight on Islamic State: News #1

tomorrow it goes to the UNSC.... lets see what happens afterwards.

Complete and utter annihilation of Turkish forces is what should happen next. Blatant incursion into someone's territory and refusing to remove them afterwards because apparently it's in both the interest of Turkey and Iraq to fight against IS: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/12/07/turkey_army/ (annonymous deputy from the Turkish parliament says that Turkey will not remove their army from Iraq).

I wonder what US will do, till now the US only said in a statement taking info from unreliable turkish new agencies.

Brett McGurk wrote:Brett McGurk: We are encouraged by reports that Turkish military forces have pulled back from the Iraqi border as diplomatic engagements proceed.

The U.S. does not support military deployments inside Iraq absent the consent of the Iraqi government.

They risk Iraq going to Russia if they don't tell erdogan to go home. Thing is Putin right now can't wait for a situation to take revenge on dictator erdogan, this is such a situation and US knows this as well.

The only problem I see for Russia is they close bosphorus as tensions keep going up, what do you guys think about this? Of course Egypt could close Suez for turkey in return.

iraqidabab wrote:They risk Iraq going to Russia if they don't tell erdogan to go home. Thing is Putin right now can't wait for a situation to take revenge on dictator erdogan, this is such a situation and US knows this as well.

The only problem I see for Russia is they close bosphorus as tensions keep going up, what do you guys think about this? Of course Egypt could close Suez for turkey in return.

Lets see what happens at the UNSC meeting

They can also transport material from other ports outside of the Black Sea if need be...it would just add a few days to the journey

iraqidabab wrote:

They risk Iraq going to Russia if they don't tell erdogan to go home. Thing is Putin right now can't wait for a situation to take revenge on dictator erdogan, this is such a situation and US knows this as well.

The only problem I see for Russia is they close bosphorus as tensions keep going up, what do you guys think about this? Of course Egypt could close Suez for turkey in return.

Suppose Iraq asks for military assistance against Turkey. I don't think Moscow will let this opportunity pass. They'll probably give them a last ultimatum to pull out immediately or everything else will follow. Turkey's move could be closing the Bosphorus but let's consider for a moment that there are American, British and French warships in the Black Sea. I don't think they'll like having their ships trapped close so close to a military rival (Russia).

But that's just me brainstorming.

Russia asks for U.N. council talks on Turkey action in Syria, Iraq

reuters wrote:Russia has asked the United Nations Security Council to hold closed-door discussions on Turkish military action in Syria and Iraq, diplomats said on Monday, in the latest sign of increasing tensions between Moscow and Ankara.

Cyberspec wrote:They can also transport material from other ports outside of the Black Sea if need be...it would just add a few days to the journey

They will do it that way most likely, play nice and let Turks make even bigger morons out of themselves by closing Bosporus. Spoiler: they will never close it, way to drastic, and even if they do plenty of options for Russia...

As for Russia helping Iraq, Caspian flotilla just happens to be on maneuvers now of all times. Certainly a coincedence....

Cyberspec wrote:They can also transport material from other ports outside of the Black Sea if need be...it would just add a few days to the journey

Adding few days is least of a problem. Costing double or more is what might be an issue here.

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:They can also transport material from other ports outside of the Black Sea if need be...it would just add a few days to the journey

Adding few days is least of a problem. Costing double or more is what might be an issue here.

Its not a few days, its potentially weeks.

Yeah, depending on port it can become quite long.

Surely Russia can transport material via caspian sea to Iran then truck it into iraq...

sheytanelkebir wrote:Surely Russia can transport material via caspian sea to Iran then truck it into iraq...

That would require thousands of truck maybe even. Its doable ofc but not very convinient way, lets also mention not very safe way either.

It would take longer and cost more, but you guys are making it sound like they'll be going to another planet

Possessions of Da'ish militants killed by Iraqi forces in the Makhoul mountains:









Some guys from Dagestan apparently.

Ground is not doable.

You would need to go either through Azerbaijan or Georgia/Armenia to go to Iran.

Armenia is likely OK.

The other two are very likely against having Russian military convoys going through their land.

Even assuming they say yes. Once you're in Iraq what? Iraqi held part and Syrian held part are cut-off from each other. The only place you can actually cross into one another and isn't fully controlled by the IS... is were all those reports of Turkish and US soldiers are coming from.

If Turkey close the straights, an air-bridge is more than likely, occupy a couple more airbases, artillery to clean up the area around, engineers to upgrade them to receive heavy An-124 rotations...

Bidoul wrote:Ground is not doable.

You would need to go either through Azerbaijan or Georgia/Armenia to go to Iran.

Armenia is likely OK.

The other two are very likely against having Russian military convoys going through their land.

Even assuming they say yes. Once you're in Iraq what? Iraqi held part and Syrian held part are cut-off from each other. The only place you can actually cross into one another and isn't fully controlled by the IS... is were all those reports of Turkish and US soldiers are coming from.

If Turkey close the straights, an air-bridge is more than likely, occupy a couple more airbases, artillery to clean up the area around, engineers to upgrade them to receive heavy An-124 rotations...

You could ship stuff though Caspian Sea to Iran and then use ground routes, but that would require making safe route though East Syria.

making such a route is not very difficult. there is only one small town which is isis on the iraqi side... rutba.

Militarov wrote:

You could ship stuff though Caspian Sea to Iran and then use ground routes, but that would require making safe route though East Syria.

True also it could be the perfect excuse for Russia and Iran to put some actual boots on the ground, securing a logistical route and thus reliving pressure from the SAA.

Treachery, treachery

Vassal rebels against master

https://www.rt.com/news/325202-iraqi-parliament-us-agreement/

The Iraqi parliament's Security and Defense Committee has called for a review and cancelation of the agreement with Washington on security, a committee member has stated.

Iraq needs either to overhaul the terms of the agreement on security or annul it, Hamid Mutlak, an Iraqi Parliamentarian and member of the Defense and Security Committee told Sputnik.

“The [Iraqi] government and the parliament need to be review its security agreement with the US, because Washington is not serious about its implementation. We will demand its cancelation,” Mutlak stated.

iraqi air force begins recon flights against the turkish incursion.

"Two months ago, first official flight of an Iraqi CH-4B Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) was performed during the visit of Defence Minister, Mr. Khaled al-Obeidi at al-Kut Air Base. On December 6th, a CH-4B from 100th Squadron was engaged for the first time in an airstrike in Ramadi destroying an artillery piece hidden in a factory. This gun was targeting Iraqi forces stationed at Palestine Bridge north of the city. On 25 November, with the support of the bombing of the international coalition led by the US, Iraqi security forces (ISF) and anti-terrorism forces regained Palestine bridge, which crosses the Euphrates. The video below show the FLIR of one of these drone targeting a gathering of ISIS fighters, western of the city of Ramadi, destroying one vehicle with an HG-10 ATGM (Anti-Tank Guided Missile). Iraq ordered CH-4B to China, probably after the visit of Chinese foreign minister in February 2014. First batch was received on January 23rd, 2015."



Source: http://aerohisto.blogspot.fr/2015/12/first-airstrikes-for-iraqi-ch-4b-uav.html

Militarov wrote:"Two months ago, first official flight of an Iraqi CH-4B Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) was performed during the visit of Defence Minister, Mr. Khaled al-Obeidi at al-Kut Air Base. On December 6th, a CH-4B from 100th Squadron was engaged for the first time in an airstrike in Ramadi destroying an artillery piece hidden in a factory. This gun was targeting Iraqi forces stationed at Palestine Bridge north of the city. On 25 November, with the support of the bombing of the international coalition led by the US, Iraqi security forces (ISF) and anti-terrorism forces regained Palestine bridge, which crosses the Euphrates. The video below show the FLIR of one of these drone targeting a gathering of ISIS fighters, western of the city of Ramadi, destroying one vehicle with an HG-10 ATGM (Anti-Tank Guided Missile). Iraq ordered CH-4B to China, probably after the visit of Chinese foreign minister in February 2014. First batch was received on January 23rd, 2015."



Source: http://aerohisto.blogspot.fr/2015/12/first-airstrikes-for-iraqi-ch-4b-uav.html

Good for China and Iraq. This is a great step forward.