The angled deck on Kuznetsov is used just for landings, but in a newly designed carrier, broadly the same size, it could host at least a single catapult.
Actually there is a long run takeoff position on the angled deck for aircraft with a full fuel load and a full load of weapons... it is rarely used because to take off with full weapons means you have to use them or ditch them before landing... and for the aircraft on the carrier they never carry anything like a full load because their primary mission is air to air combat and AAMs are nothing like a full weapon load. Even with the Gefest & T upgrade with the Su-33s they would likely only be carrying a couple of R-73s and a couple of R-77s for self defence and a couple of 500kg bombs for the bombing mission they were on, which is nothing like their max capacity in weapons.
At least, but if the AEW/AWACS requirement could be declined into a UAV platform, somewhat lighter and smaller than a combat aircraft, shorter catapults with a smaller general footprint could be the answer, making conceivable to install two catapults, for the sake of redundancy and fault tolerance.
The point is that you compromise the design to make it smaller and lighter... it is better to use a bigger and heavier AWACS aircraft with better radar and better performance and just use a proper cat system to launch them. Two cats would be over kill as most of their fighters will be Su-57 based and therefore have a rather good thrust to weight ratio and almost no external drag issues with all their weapons being internal. The smaller lighter more powerfully engined Su-57 should easily be able to get airborne using a ski jump on a larger deck, if a larger heavier aircraft with less engine power and external weapons drag on the smaller deck of the Kuznetsov can already operate normally.
A cat can be used to launch AWACS platforms and perhaps an inflight refuelling aircraft based on the AWACS type so the fighters and the AWACS aircraft can stay airborne for longer over greater distances.
It doesn't matter - NOBODY is going to give you exact dat. If you have them be my guest please. Yet the point is THERE ARE no meaningful differences in payload, radius or speed between V/STOL and regular fighters if you use STOL take off . Yet this saves you a lots of costs and complications in shipbuilding.
Correction, they are going to give data that makes their product look good... if all your aircraft are going to be taking off in STOL mode then WTF is the point of developing a new 5th gen fighter that can land vertically?
Why add the complication and expense to something already complicated and not very cheap?
They add weight indeed there is always a trade off. You want short start and landing (ew vertical) you pay weight penalty.
It is more than just a weight penalty... it makes the design fat... it means you need a fricken enormous engine just to get barely supersonic... it means most of the internal structure carries high pressure air to puffer jets in the nose, the tail and the wing tips... any of which is damaged in combat and you wont be landing vertically anywhere... except nose first into the sea.
True you need AWACS, but Russian already put low end AWACS on Ka-32. Such stuff you caneasily put on Fregat drones (VSTOL ones
The Ka-31 is not bad, but if they are talking about EM cats and a boat with a 330m deck I am pretty sure it is not so they can fit more VSTOL aircraft.
They want a decent sized long ranged AWACS platform... which also means quite a large aircraft operating from the carrier that could also be used as an inflight refuelling aircraft to extend range and operational times for all the fixed wing aircraft that operate from the carrier... sort of the opposite of making the planes VSTOL.
The better build carrier with unit cost 10billion and then add a new fighter to it? Smile Making 48 makes no sense . Better~200+ look ad Gripan or Rafale. Tiny means 20-30 small fighters in CV config. 6-8 in mixed ASW/Patrol role.
The new carriers are for air defence, odds are they will likely have 48 plus aircraft that are Su-57s, and of the remaining 42 aircraft they will likely have about 8 of the AWACS/Tanker aircraft type... 2-4 being AWACS and 4-6 being inflight refuelling aircraft that can also perform light transport roles.
They will probably have 4-6 Kamovs in the SAR role and likely a dozen or so in the anti sub role, and perhaps a dozen MiG-29KRs for training and multirole missions... so that leaves how many for drones?
48 + 8 + 6 + 12 + 12 = 86
They will probably carry more than 4 drones so some of my figures might be over estimates perhaps...
Of course for certain missions they might carry extra aircraft like Ka-29 transports or Ka-52K attack types.
Perhaps because MiG-29 is not sold neither produced at all. Old and not used by Russian AF. No wonder.
Why they re-vive MiG-35 ? to export it because of niche an dto work on small fighter too.
Take head out of sand and shake for a bit... MiG-29 in use in Russian AF. Export contracts for MiG-29KR to India. Upgrade contracts to India for MiG-29. Egypt buying MiG-29 family aircraft. Russian Navy already has MiG-29KR aircraft and will not be disappearing in 10 years... and wont have had that many hours on the airframes by then either.
Previously the trainer for the admiral K was the Su-25, which in that capacity had no weapons on it.., it was not ground attack... it was purely training. Now they have two seat MiG-29s they can use for training and also other roles too...
Lets talk about actual example how many Russian planes operated in 3 years in Syria and how many ships were armed and sunk?
Considering the direct opposition to Russia in Syria had no means to sink ships there was only one purpose for armed ships in that conflict... ie Show.
If the conflict had been further afield and the situation more contested, then the need for armed support of a supply line becomes more important.
Carriers and other ships take a long time to build so you need to decide you need them well before you ever actually need them... otherwise it is too late.
A d how those numebrs relate do 20-24 fighters in small carrier.
You wouldn't get 24 fighters on a small carrier... it would not have enough fuel for 24 aircraft for very long...
And airwing was actually auxiliary. Soviets were smart and knwe they have no chance in confrontation midway style.
When the Soviets were building the Kievs there were all sorts of promises about VSTOL aircraft... they would be the only things flying in WWIII because all other aircraft would not be able to take off because all the airfield would be destroyed and all that shit.
Also they would make awesome ground attack aircraft... able to hide behind cover and pop up and attack and then roar off at high speed like a plane... except that experience in afghanistan showed it was all bullshit... VSTOL aircraft have no endurance even with STOL takeoffs, and they are fragile and vulnerable to ground fire... and the arrangement of their engine nozzles means they attract IR guided missiles from any angle... the air coming out of the side nozzles on a Harrier would make it an easy target for most IR guided MANPADS...
BTW In case large medium carriers will be chosen VSTOL still can be used on lighter LHD as extra fighter support.
Fighter support for LHDs would be more sensible in the form of the already developed Ka-52K and Ka-31...
Great then new Russian fighter wont be base don 70 year sold frame but only 50 year soled one!
Wow... because the US who spends 700 billion a year on defence is so much better off with their F-35s and F-18s.
Exactly what makes a mix of Su-57s and MiG-29KRs... well actually MiG-35s... so bad?
We know: their performance is comparable
You mean the super stealth brand new F-35 only has comparable performance to the F-18... an ancient aircraft... really?
Is that what VSTOL does to an aircrafts performance... makes it as good as a previous generation aircraft?
You mean maneuverability against adversary and adversary is what? ah F-35C or F-35B? or you are going to attack mainland America with 40 MiG-29 based fighters ?
Of course... that is what we have been saying all this time... these CVNs are for the invasion of the United States of America...
The aircraft on these carriers are airborne eyes and teeth and they will be used to defend the ships operating with the carrier.
a) Navy requested in according to Bndaryev
The same navy that requested and then rejected the Yak-41.
Today they want to see what can be made... and if they can perform a miracle they might buy some, but I rather suspect they wont and they will end up going for the Su-57.
Remember when the Kuznetsov was being developed in the 1970s all the mockups had MiG-23s on the carriers because that is what they thought would be operating from them... when these carriers are ready their might be a new plane we know nothing about that is ready for the job... whether it is all Russian or paid for by the UAE... or just a modification of the Su-57.
You compare Chinese or Indian size of economy with Russian? or you believe there is no relation between size of economy and military capabilities?
Big heavy planes don't always win... look at the F-4 and then F-15 and then F-16, or F-4, F-14, and then F-18. In both cases they got heavier and more expensive and then they ended up going smaller and slower and more expensive... the next step in both cases is stealthy which is super expensive, but they went big and low numbers and small and big numbers in the F-22 and F-35 respectively...
Do you think why Russia neither build carriers nor AMD?
Russia did build AMD... what do you think those missiles around Moscow were?
What do you think S-400 and S-500 are?
What is the Kuznetsov?
What are the plans for a 330m long CVN?
VSTOL is actually STVOL as living example proves (F-35B) . Example of Syrian campaign proves also that limited fighter continent is enough is such situation. That is surprisingly close to size of small carier airwing.
The example of Syria is a poor example of the navy testing their aircraft in a realistic environment.
The Navy is not going to be supporting the Russian Air Force or the Russian Army around the world in various hot spots... well it will if needed but its primary role is its own operations and its own defence... it will be protecting its surface ships and its subs and indeed things like oil rigs and other assets at sea from direct threats like pirates but also against active enemy forces potentially supported by powerful allies.
Its role wont be to send 4 Su-33s into enemy airspace to drop some dumb bombs from 10,000m on some terrorist HQ or Comms centre... or ammo dump.
Most of the time the 330m long carrier wont have 90 aircraft on board... it will more likely have 40-50 aircraft on board... possibly even less.
If the oil prices don't rise, all other things being equal to their present status, building CVNs may take a lot longer & prove to be detrimental to other more pressing needs. Even w/o involvement in Syria, the ME & FE, contingencies in the "post-Soviet space" may force them to cut funds for CVN construction. Selling Su-35s to PRC,etc. & FFGs to India won't help. Saudi Arabia could also order CV/Ns but she needs those B$ for the drive to reorient its economy from dependence on oil exports.
The billions they will spend in infrastructure and support vessels and shipyards/docks is already being spent... and the cost wont come out of one years budget... it will come out of 15-20 years of the budget... they will have already started it... including investment in EM cats and most likely new AWACS platforms with different radar antenna options.
Oil prices really don't come in to it, because the Russian government isn't an oil dependant nation any more... wake up and smell the roses.
Saying Russia can't afford it is like saying relax Russia... you don't need all those expensive nuclear weapons either... a carrier is not about becoming an imperial nation that invades and batters small countries into submitting to their will... it is the best level of defence a navy can offer its capital and other ships of its surface fleet as well as its submarines.