Syrian War: News #20

ultimatewarrior wrote:Putin got played by NATO. Erdogan is going to give S-400 to Trump in exchange for Patriot 3. Erdogan gets Patriot 3 and F-35 and Trump gets S-400.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181547331822456832

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181553630354259968

There is nothing there that suggest that..
Erdogan have very little reasons to give S-400 to US..

the reason to get S-400 in first place is to defend against US military , in case
they kicked from NATO ... So Erdogan needs S-400 to fight against Pentagon..
but the export version they will get are useless against Russia ,since they will know how to counter it..

flamming_python wrote:Didn't take them long

https://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/08102019
Iraqi Kurdistan appeals to Russia to support Syrian Kurds

Kurds fate is sealed.. They are doomed.. i see a 95% probability that US will not do anything
if Turkey start bombing armed kurds militias..

Even when im not a fan of Gasputin.. i don't think he is completely retard..and completely insane..
to go and defend traitors like Kurds ,that have been collaborating with NATO in disbanding Syria.
and provoke a new major war with Turkey , in defense of traitors and opportunistic that have chosen
to follow US as their ally over Russia.. . What more likely Putin will do is offer a corridor for any Kurds who wants
to flee the war of Turkey ,and do it disarmed in order to enter Syrian side. By turkey controlling kurdistan zones in north of Syria is the last nail in the coffin of Kurds land. he will switch to IRAQ kurds zone and control their oil fields.. and this will be good for IRAQ too.. to finally put an end to Kurdish separatism and stealing their oil.
Putin will likely remain neutral.. but offer humanitarian aid to fleeing kurds from their zones.. Now Kurds will face war and Syrian army will most likely remain neutral..

Iran and Russia and China and other nationalists, should play tactical. The most hostile and strongest anti - national elements in Syria is the SDF. yes. Since they are highly organised and allied to Yanks with separatist agenda. The Rats are largely spent force. Also the Turks, are our neighbour. And within easy reach. Economically and otherwise.

So sitting and waiting is best policy. Or turning a blind eye to Turk incursion. They say it is temporary. If SDF members change policy and allow SAA to enter east to protect borders and they renounce separatism and participate and compromise on constitution, then they can join SAA to defend Syrian / Kurd lands.

https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1181920671603056645

Hmm, don't like it. Slicing off a huge section of Northern Syria, like Northern Cyprus. Since Russia officially gave the green light (RIA), hopefully something good can come of it.

Nothing surprising. History shows very well that when you are a guerilla fighting for US interests you end up being bombed after they used you. Kurds are as stupid as Turks.

Some people love it. Some people don't. Putin better be careful. Erdogan and Trump are NATO cahoots. Soon they may invade Damascus together. Will Putin attack Turkish and American armies if they march on Damascus? Assad must be shitting his pants.

...Kurds are as stupid as Turks.

I dunno man, Turks are not the ones being given 2$ whore treatment right about now

This US pullout was definitely a surprise for everyone, Erdogan especially otherwise this ops would have started yesterday when Optimus Trump announced pullout

It only started today because Erdogan was here in Serbia previous couple of days on official visit

US destroyed turkish army with the failed coup. Erdogan send all the staff to jail. He doesn't trust its airforce.

Russia let that operation to happen so that nato hates turkey even more and they will probably support a war in Cyprus. Now the west will sanction them and it will end up by a destabilization of Turkey and civil wars by supporting the kurds. And don't forget russians hate turks, since the su24 even more. They are the one who send arms to Chechnya. They won't forget that because erdogan bought 2 s-400.

That's what US have done in the middle east since 1991. They need a new enemy. Isis, iraq and afghanistan doesn't offer a powerfull enemy to keep the stupid US people togather.

A conventional war is what they want to prove that the billions spend in their military industry is worth destroying small countries.

Erdogan is falling in the trap pretty easily.

Isos wrote:US destroyed turkish army with the failed coup. Erdogan send all the staff to jail. He doesn't trust its airforce.

Russia let that operation to happen so that nato hates turkey even more and they will probably support a war in Cyprus. Now the west will sanction them and it will end up by a destabilization of Turkey and civil wars by supporting the kurds. And don't forget russians hate turks, since the su24 even more. They are the one who send arms to Chechnya. They won't forget that because erdogan bought 2 s-400.

That's what US have done in the middle east since 1991. They need a new enemy. Isis, iraq and afghanistan doesn't offer a powerfull enemy to keep the stupid US people togather.

A conventional war is what they want to prove that the billions spend in their military industry is worth destroying small countries.

Erdogan is falling in the trap pretty easily.

Turkish 2016 alleged coup was set by Erdogan himself

George1 wrote:

Isos wrote:US destroyed turkish army with the failed coup. Erdogan send all the staff to jail. He doesn't trust its airforce.

Russia let that operation to happen so that nato hates turkey even more and they will probably support a war in Cyprus. Now the west will sanction them and it will end up by a destabilization of Turkey and civil wars by supporting the kurds. And don't forget russians hate turks, since the su24 even more. They are the one who send arms to Chechnya. They won't forget that because erdogan bought 2 s-400.

That's what US have done in the middle east since 1991. They need a new enemy. Isis, iraq and afghanistan doesn't offer a powerfull enemy to keep the stupid US people togather.

A conventional war is what they want to prove that the billions spend in their military industry is worth destroying small countries.

Erdogan is falling in the trap pretty easily.

Turkish 2016 alleged coup was set by Erdogan himself

That's right. Erdogan orchestrated the coup. They claim they killed the pilot who shot down Russian Su-24. It was a lie. What's the pilot's name? Where? I call that BS.

"TURKEY JUST STARTED ‘OPERATION PEACE SPRING’ IN NORTHEAST SYRIA (VIDEOS)."



https://southfront.org/turkey-just-started-operation-peace-spring-in-northeast-syria-videos/






The Turks are thinking of doing what they did in Kobani, either the Turks do that or this ends badly for the Turks. Russia, SAA and Allies just need to sit back on this and watch them destroy each other.




"KURDISH FORCES SHELL SOUTHERN TURKISH CITY WITH ROCKETS (VIDEO)."




https://southfront.org/kurdish-forces-shell-southern-turkish-city-with-rockets-video/

Turkish 2016 alleged coup was set by Erdogan himself

I don't think so. Russians seem to have help him counter that and that's when he started having bad relations with Obama and US in general.

The Turks are thinking of doing what they did in Kobani, either the Turks do that or this ends badly for the Turks. Russia, SAA and Allies just need to sit back on this and watch them destroy each other.

Kurds have a large amount of weapons and ATGM. They will be helped by the europeans and russians/iran by means of weapon transfert.

Turks will feel it badly.

ultimatewarrior wrote:Some people love it. Some people don't. Putin better be careful. Erdogan and Trump are NATO cahoots. Soon they may invade Damascus together. Will Putin attack Turkish and American armies if they march on Damascus? Assad must be shitting his pants.

I don't think Erdogan and his military planners are that fool...
To try to over run damascus.. you know how expensive that will be for Turkey Army? and with Russia
helping Damascus.. Erdogan will need allies in the zone and will not completely destroy its relations with Russia.
and Americans at same time..

Most likely things to happen..
1)Americans retreat in full from Kurdistan.. Check..
2)Turkey Army invades.. Check
3)Kurds talk to Syrian army and they offer protection if disarm completely....
And so the Syrian army could create its own Buffer zone in kurds zone ,while at same
time leaving its own space for Turkey army to operate.. and create its buffer zone..

So if Russia do diplomacy right ,that i don't see how they will fail now ,after so much progress with Turkey,and Syria government and SAA follows Russia policy to the letter ,it could have Turkey and Syrian sharing buffer zones in Kurdistan Syria.. the northest zones controlled by turkey ,the souther zones controlled by Syria.. and Kurds kurdistan project completely destroyed.. a Project that ironically was setup by NATO major powers to keep Turkey always in check.. Kurds were anti Turkey forces to cause problems  to turkey ,to IRAN and to Syria too.. But Assad managed to keep doors of dialogue open with Kurds..  to have some kind of acceptable relations ,with major differences from time to time.

This naturally is a not sustainable project for Erdogan in Turkey ,because they will face major resistance ,and the zones they control will be forced to participate in Turkey elections .. So those kurds will cause problem to Erdogan in any elections , so will not help Erdogan popularity at home ,to keep indefinitely an army in Syria.

In more news Kurds Syrian democratic forces.. are truly desperate and asking help France now ,sending a delegation to help Kurds fight Turkey.. I don't think france will risk a war with Turkey for kurds and will be neutral.  

This entire policy of US in Syria is the mother of all failures.. the biggest blowback in history to any US policy.
Is worse than Vietnam and North korea wars combined as a failure to achieving any tactical advantage..
This could threaten NATO iron shield around Russia ,because if they kick Turkey from NATO , then Russia navy there will have free movement in the mediterranean sea ,no longer contained in black sea in case of a war with US and target US bases in italy.. This also threatens Israel domination in the zone...  

But don't listen me.. listen a Russian military commentator opinions on the whole subject..
he do an analysys and is the best description of how doomed are American middle east policy..
Doomed no matter in which direction they go.. Basically Turkey have Americans policy makers grabbed
by the balls.. and can ask anything.. and so eventually to keep Turkey as an ally will sooner or later
hit Israel interest too..  

Mikhail Khodarenok,
military commentator for RT.com. He is a retired colonel. He served as an officer at the main operational directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/470505-turkey-nato-us-syria/

This is why Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is not scared by anyone’s threats to kick Turkey out of NATO. He knows they are empty. Nothing will stop Ankara from pursuing its policies, not even NATO.

The alliance, on the other hand, will have something to lose in case this type of punishment is indeed applied to Turkey, and these political, military and reputational losses can be disastrous.

First of all, this will leave a serious gap in the ranks of the alliance, which will not be easy to repair. Secondly, a move like this will inevitably trigger a discussion about NATO’s very existence. In other words, Turkey might play the role of that key piece in a tower puzzle that, once pulled out, sends the whole structure collapsing.

Meanwhile, Trump’s threat to “obliterate” Turkey’s economy (which must be interpreted as “obliterating” Turkey as a state), clashes seriously with the interests of the European Union both in terms of economy, but even more so in geopolitical terms. The demise of Turkey could mean the fall of the last wall standing between Europe and floods of migrants from the Middle East.

Having allies is crucial to a military and political campaign of any kind, but it seems unlikely that Trump’s stance on Turkey will secure him any in Europe. This kind of rhetoric coming from the White House can have no other effect than giving the green light to full-scale armaments cooperation between Moscow and Ankara. This eventually might lead to a whole new balance on the geopolitical map of the region.

It looks like Trump has already made one serious mistake by suspending the F-35 deal with Turkey, and now he is on track to aggravate the situation and lose one of the key US partners in the region.

Very soon, we may hear completely different rhetoric and a change of tone from Washington when it comes to Turkey. Otherwise, the US might end up having to deal with two ‘Irans’ in the region.

So didn't i told Israel is the biggest loser in their Syrian war project ? even though it can be debatable ,
since Kurds will lose their entire Kurdistant project.. the only thing i did not saw was how bad it could be
for US policy warmakers ,future in the entire region.   Turkey Pushing US out of Syria while keeping good terms with Russia strenthen IRAN and Russia position significantly and significantly helps Turkey position too..  And US declaring economy war or military war against Turkey ,completely destroy their own Alliance and leadership and NATO own existence.. because when Turkey shutdown American planes.. No other NATO player will form in line to fight turkey ,in retaliation of US trade war with Europe.  

If erdogan goes full retard ,and betray Russia interest again.. it will be Good for kurds and for US.. and very bad for turkey security.. with Kurds being armed not only by Europe but Russia too..

So i don't see any way for US , to save its position in the middle east. they simply their greed made their policies to blowback on them.. US elites like Graham in senate is asking on kicking Turkey from NATO ,so that will put
Turkey completely in the hands of Russia and IRAN.  and Turkey ,Russia and IRAN will be the new Bosses in the zone.. Saudi Arabia and UAE if smart will move towards the Russian-CHina to defend their sovereignty and allowing turkey to keep his own zone... Jordan will be next.. and will move to Russian side.. so A real possibility for the first time ,to counter US and Israel. in Middle east ,when US influence is kicked from there. If Turkey stay
in good terms with Russia no matter what ,it will be a real possibility ,to totally kick US from the middle east. and
creation of very well armed nations ,that can defend their sovereignty and air space ,with help of Russia and China. and a new world order indeed with muslim nations for the first time ,in the driver seat as equals..
US and Israel losing the control of the entire Middle east is what is at risk.  

Two points about Iran's position. First that I don't think Iran should get involved against Turkey in Syria. Even if the Turks advance far south and cut the access by Iran / Iraq route to Lebanon. Since SDF may not surrender, unless they loose all control and all American bases. And this may be necessary to allow kurds to make peace with Syrian government. Integrity of Syria is far more important than immediate land route to Lebanon. Second the Syrians asked for Iran Air defence Bavar 373. Why ? They have S300. But better they get to manufacture short range SSBM. And strike back. Far better. Iran should help. Look at Yemen.

Hehehe.... Whenever i need confirmation of what US deep state policy makers are thinking..
the fastest way is to just visit CNN and see what their headlines are..

basically i can assure with 100% of confidentiality , that The Pentagon and CIA are not happy
of Turkey invasion on Northen Syria.. the best word is panic.. what the US military feels like..
This is because CNN headlines are telling things like a major genocide is about to start against kurds by turkey
army.. and that everyone is angry at Trump for allowing it..

The idea of US military being forced to leave abruptly from kurds zones by turkey invasion is what makes them very angry ,And They also had to be very angry with Trump from giving signals to Turkey ,that they
will leave.. since Trump is using twitter to brag about he all the time wanted to end with the endless wars..

But Trump is doing the right thing.. not only from a Good guy/humanitarian point of view but also doing the less bad thing for US Empire ,and that is avoiding confrontation with a major NATO player ,that is a very important
for US security ,in keeping control of the Bosphorus strait..through Turkey.. to block Russian military and navy from entering in western europe from the south .

So visited Infowars.. and was this so called "Expert" saying that this was a "plan" of the deep state ,to
setup Trump ,to provoke a major war.. bla bla bla.. just fairy tales... This is one of the worse possible scenario
for US to happen in Syria.. is about to happen.. and that is being kicked from Northern Syria in an humilliating
way ,by the use of force.. of Turkey army.. and have to choose between standing with Kurds or with Turkey..
The only much worse scenario will have been American troops to stay in Syria kurdistan and american soldiers
being shelled by Turkey army.. and many killed.. that will be horrible for US image as "super power" and leadership.. and will encourage other nations to do the same of Turkey and IRAN and challenge US hegemony
without fear.

So Trump is moving into the side of its fanbase once more , of a policy of peace and ending the wars..(at least in Syria .. case..since he still is destabilizing venezuela) that he promised.. at the expense of getting everyone in washington DC angry.. including his own party.. I think Trump realize ,that he have nothing to lose since the democrats and with some help of republicans started the process already.. anyway.. so best thing he can do is seek again to get closer to the people ,to the American base

Isos wrote:

Turkish 2016 alleged coup was set by Erdogan himself

I don't think so. Russians seem to have help him counter that and that's when he started having bad relations with Obama and US in general.

The Turks are thinking of doing what they did in Kobani, either the Turks do that or this ends badly for the Turks. Russia, SAA and Allies just need to sit back on this and watch them destroy each other.

Kurds have a large amount of weapons and ATGM. They will be helped by the europeans and russians/iran by means of weapon transfert.

Turks will feel it badly.

Why would the Russia and Iran help the kurds? The Kurds have back stabbed both Russia and Iran. All Russia and Iran has to do, is set back and watch the Kurds come to their senses.

Didn’t a member on here shite on about ‘we’ll (US) never leave northern Syria’....

Why would the Russia and Iran help the kurds? The Kurds have back stabbed both Russia and Iran. All Russia and Iran has to do, is set back and watch the Kurds come to their senses.

They have nothing to lose and it's not about helping them but make more damage on both sides. Turks sent arms to Chechen, they help those alquaida squads with their drone attacks on Hmeimim, they sent their army into Syria and it will be a nato members destabilized more than it is.

Kurds never stabbed russia. There was no war btw SAA and kurds and they even talked about cooperation against turks few hours ago but didn't reach an agreement.

Isos wrote:...Kurds never stabbed russia. There was no war btw SAA and kurds and they even talked about cooperation against turks few hours ago but didn't reach an agreement.

Kurds were shelling SAA while they were trying to close the ring around Aleppo or have you forgotten this already?

Whatever happens now Kurds are FUBAR (as expected)

All Turks have to do is break the strong points with airforce and artillery and flood the area with proxy jihadists (AKA future settlers) and let them and Kurds bleed each other dry while they bomb the Kurds from the air after they are flushed out

As fort Kurds cooperating with SAA and Russia, they had dozens upon dozens of opportunities and they refused every single time because they kept asking for everything and offering nothing in return, even now they are probably still asking for same stupid sh*t as before despite Turks blowing them to bits as we speak

All because they made the ultimate mistake: they got drunk on someone else's power

Turks also made that same mistake back when they shot down Russian Su-24 but to their credit they switched on their brains eventually and have been acting intelligently ever since unlike Kurds who have been going full retard since 2011

First Squawk
@FirstSquawk
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REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRATIC U.S. SENATORS GRAHAM AND VAN HOLLEN UNVEIL OUTLINE OF PROPOSED SANCTIONS ON TURKEY, INCLUDING TARGETING ERDOGAN'S U.S. ASSETS, IMPOSING VISA RESTRICTIONS

All Turks have to do is break the strong points with airforce and artillery and flood the area with proxy jihadists (AKA future settlers) and let them and Kurds bleed each other dry while they bomb the Kurds from the air after they are flushed out

Kurds already repelled turks :


Coordination & Military Ops Center - SDF
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#Breaking
#SDF destroyed a Turkish armored vehicle while repelling Turkish army attack in the village of Ein Diwar, west of #Dirk, in the triangle border point between #Syria, #Iraq and Turkey.

Seriously the Kurds will need a lot more than the destruction of an Armored car ,to defeat turkey..
Turkey always send their freedom fighters first as meat shield to inspect the environment to whether
or not there will be resistance.. Kurds have zero Chance to defeat Turkey.. don't forget Already they lost
the battle against Turkey near Latakia in a kurd city.. the first zone that Turkey invaded to remove kurds from there.. and they took it in less than 2 weeks.. Kurds are over rated ,they have no chance to fight back turkey
just using manpads. and TOW missiles..


In other news.. It looks the real very serious battle is happening in Washington DC..
like we have never seen in years.. probably last time was during Kennedy times and you know
what the CIA did to him..

this was just day ago.. former CIA director calling for a coup on trump openly..
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/coup-brennan-calls-on-republicans-in-congress-to-abandon-trump-and-oust-him-from-office/

then trump orders reduction of national security staff..
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-security/trump-orders-substantial-cut-in-national-security-council-staff-bloomberg-idUSKBN1WK02X


Trump vs  the Democrats ... looks like a full scale political war /coup is in progress..
and Reports of Marines being activated by Trump to counter any armed coup again his Presidency..
all this war on Trump , began when he fired John Bolton. over his policies in afganistan. it is when US media went crazy with conspiracies of Trump did this that.. and escalated when Trump began to target Biden corruption in Ukraine..  So it looks like a major split in washington DC is happening and the elite lawmakers planning a coup
on Trump.. and trump taking actions to protect himself..




that news is very strange.. why would Trump cut so much national security staff ,unless he felt they were in the white house spies working for democrats ,that threatened his security and his life?  conspiracy theories sites are reporting this as Trump war on the CIA ,that was kicked from the white house..

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index3003.htm
US Marines Ordered Activated For 19 October “National Emergency” As Trump Throws CIA Out Of White House

So maybe is an exageration , but is very rare to say the least to see Reports of Military exercises to overthrow Trump , and lots of people working in National security staff kicked from white house..  Trump ordering
US troops leaving Syria ,and falling short to green light turkey to invade and fight kurds in Syria , could be the last straw that Warmakers can tolerate.. Nixon was impeached for pushing a policy of peace with CHina and with Russia too.. and ending US military war on Vietnam.. the watergate scandal was fabricated to force him to resign..after ending so many wars..  So we could be seen a repeat of history again.. any President that
ends wars that Pentagon and CIA wants to fight ,gets impeached..

This is either the greatest theater /show ever , to fool Russia and perhaps commit an agresion against Russia base and blame it on Rebelious Pilots not following Trump administration but the democrats and CIA...
or there is indeed a major real coup in progress.. and they evaluating a military coup option..
This should really concern Russia.. because a nuclear super power like United States,, to face a military
coup ,could trigger a world war 3.. against Russia , withing hours or days of the coup .if hardline crazy factions
get in power in US.. through a military coup..

Brennan and his sidekicks could quite possibly end up in jail. So they have no choice but to escalate and do all they can to get rid off Trump.

If I was Trump I'd be watching my back as well since the CIA is after him. But IMO, Trump isn't just some lone outsider. He must have some backing within the power structures, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to win back in 2016. If alternative news sources are to be believed, Trump has support within the DIA (Military Intel)

@papadragon

If kurds offer nothing to Russia and SAA, then why not SAA advance 30 km East to settle some refugee and fight the terrorists? Now no chance of direct confrontation with yank?

@Isos

Sanctions against Turkey will provide more chance for China and Russia to reach the Med. No obstacles. Belt and road through Turkey and Syria and Iraq.

@ vann7

Agree. The SDF need more than  women soldiers and red star flag and Ak47 to defeat Turkey. Iran can come from South to stop supply from Iraq by yank. And keep Southern corridor open for future to Lebanon. Iranians can now act, as Yanks leaving. Also little to loose by skirmishes with few yank special forces in desert.