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    Russian Oil and Gas Industry: News #2

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    Post  owais.usmani Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:48 pm

    https://112.international/politics/germany-not-to-change-its-position-on-nord-stream-2-53026.html

    Germany not to change its position on Nord Stream 2


    Germany's position on the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline remains unchanged - the project must be completed. It was stated by German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, presenting the priorities of Berlin during its presidency of the European Union, Deutsche Welle reports.

    "We will not change our decision on this project. We believe that it is an issue of diversification of our energy supply sources," the minister said, commenting on the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which Russian Gazprom is trying to complete.

    Maas noted that it was a matter of economic policy for Berlin.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:34 pm

    The pipe layer Fortuna is on the move again, heading north of Kaliningrad and not far off the coast.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:31 pm

    The US not letting up. Now adding TurkStream to the pot.


    Washington, July 16 : US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has threatened companies involved in the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline between Russia and Germany and the TurkStream pipeline project stretching from Russia to Turkey across the Black Sea.

    "Today, the Department of State is updating the public guidance for CAATSA (Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act) authorities to include Nord Stream 2 and the second line of TurkStream 2," Pompeo was quoted by the Xinhua news agency as saying at a press briefing on Wednesday.

    "This action puts investments or other activities that are related to these Russian energy export pipelines at risk of US sanctions," he added.

    Pompeo said that the two projects are not commercial but serve as Moscow's tools to exploit European dependence on Russia's energy supplies that ultimately undermine transatlantic security.

    "Companies aiding and abetting Russia's malign influence projects will not be tolerated," he noted.

    "Get out now or risk the consequences."

    President Donald Trump has long voiced his discontentment about the Nord Stream 2 project, complaining about Germany's large payment to Russia on energy and "delinquency" on military spending.

    The Nord Stream 2, stretching 1,230 km from Russia to Germany via the Baltic Sea, is scheduled to start operation in the middle of 2020.

    Meanwhile, the TurkStream, which was inaugurated in January, will provide gas to Turkey and the south and southeast Europe in two parallel pipelines, running 930 km through the Black Sea, from the Russian city of Anapa to the northwestern Turkish town of Kiyikoy in the Trace region.

    One pipeline will supply gas to Turkey, and the other will reach the Turkish-European border to carry the gas first to Bulgaria, Serbia and Hungary.

    TurkStream will deliver a total of 31.5 billion cubic metres of Russian natural gas each year, with Turkey receiving half of it and Europe, the rest.
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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:28 pm

    Pompeo can huff and puff but he will not be blowing anything to do with Russian gas exports down. EU-peons have a stark
    choice: freeze in the dark or buy affordable Russian natural gas. The result of yanqui imperial wannabe edicts will be that
    the EU passes laws protecting its companies from US sanctions. Mark my words.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:32 pm

    This will just force people to move away from the US.

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    Post  owais.usmani Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:12 am

    JohninMK wrote:The US not letting up. Now adding TurkStream to the pot.


    Washington, July 16 : US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has threatened companies involved in the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline between Russia and Germany and the TurkStream pipeline project stretching from Russia to Turkey across the Black Sea.

    "Today, the Department of State is updating the public guidance for CAATSA (Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act) authorities to include Nord Stream 2 and the second line of TurkStream 2," Pompeo was quoted by the Xinhua news agency as saying at a press briefing on Wednesday.

    "This action puts investments or other activities that are related to these Russian energy export pipelines at risk of US sanctions," he added.

    Pompeo said that the two projects are not commercial but serve as Moscow's tools to exploit European dependence on Russia's energy supplies that ultimately undermine transatlantic security.

    "Companies aiding and abetting Russia's malign influence projects will not be tolerated," he noted.

    "Get out now or risk the consequences."

    President Donald Trump has long voiced his discontentment about the Nord Stream 2 project, complaining about Germany's large payment to Russia on energy and "delinquency" on military spending.

    The Nord Stream 2, stretching 1,230 km from Russia to Germany via the Baltic Sea, is scheduled to start operation in the middle of 2020.

    Meanwhile, the TurkStream, which was inaugurated in January, will provide gas to Turkey and the south and southeast Europe in two parallel pipelines, running 930 km through the Black Sea, from the Russian city of Anapa to the northwestern Turkish town of Kiyikoy in the Trace region.

    One pipeline will supply gas to Turkey, and the other will reach the Turkish-European border to carry the gas first to Bulgaria, Serbia and Hungary.

    TurkStream will deliver a total of 31.5 billion cubic metres of Russian natural gas each year, with Turkey receiving half of it and Europe, the rest.

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-07/17/c_139218422.htm

    Germany rejects U.S. sanctions threat over Nord Stream 2 pipeline


    http://www.china.org.cn/world/2020-07/18/content_76285421.htm

    German industries condemn US sanctions threat against Nord Stream 2 pipeline


    https://tass.com/world/1179957

    US sanctions against Nord Stream 2 contradict international law - EU

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    Post  owais.usmani Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:15 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/134364/

    NOVATEK shipped the first LNG shipment to Japan via the Northern Sea Route



    PAO NOVATEK announces the first supply of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the Yamal LNG project to Japan via the eastern route of the Northern Sea Route, which was carried out by a subsidiary of the Company NOVATEK Gas & Power Asia Pte. Ltd.

    The consignment was delivered by the Vladimir Rusanov gas carrier under a spot contract. In full compliance with the schedule, the unloading was carried out at the Ohgishima LNG Terminal in Japan.

    This is the first successful experience of calling and unloading an ice-class LNG carrier Arc 7 in a Japanese port, which will further increase the volume of LNG supplies to this country.

    “We pay great attention to the development of the logistics chain of our LNG projects,” said Lev Feodosiev, First Deputy Chairman of the Management Board of PAO NOVATEK. “The planned commissioning of a transshipment terminal in Kamchatka will significantly expand the possibilities for competitive LNG supplies throughout the Asia-Pacific region.”

    Yamal LNG (50.1% - from Novatek, 20% - from French Total and Chinese CNPC, 9.9% - from the Silk Road Fund) is Novatek's first plant to liquefy gas. The project is being implemented on the basis of the South Tambeyskoye field (Yamal Peninsula). The plant has launched three technological lines for the production of LNG with a capacity of about 5.5 million tons per year each; in 2020, the fourth stage of Yamal LNG is expected to be launched.

    A comment from the above link:

    By the way, according to the latest BP statistical yearbook, the actual geography of LNG supplies from Russia in 2019 turned out to be the following (they have quite adequate figures for LNG trade, since they use market sources):

    Europe - 15 million tons

    Latin America - 0.1 million tons

    Middle East - 0.6 million tons

    Asia-Pacific region - 13.2 million tons, including : Japan - 6.4, China - 2.5, Rep. Korea - 2.3, Taiwan - 1.5, India - 0.2, others - 0.3.

    Since Sakhalin ships 10-12 million tons of LNG, supplies to Asia from Yamal were small, although Asia has always been viewed as a more attractive market.

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    Post  owais.usmani Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:43 am

    https://sputniknews.com/business/202007271079990386-russia-reportedly-surpassed-us-in-lng-exports-to-china-in-june/

    Russia Reportedly Surpassed US in LNG Exports to China in June



    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russia exported 396,000 tonnes of liquefied natural gas (LNG) to China in June, while US exports amounted to 340,000 tonnes during the same period, Bloomberg reported on Monday, citing data from China’s General Administration of Customs.

    According to the customs data released on Sunday, Russia’s LNG exports to China increased by 20.7 percent compared to May figures, while US exports were 2.4 percent higher than in May.

    In June 2019, Russia exported 67,000 tonnes of LNG to China. The US did not export LNG to China a year ago.

    Overall, China imported 5.79 million tonnes of LNG in June, up by 29 percent when compared to last year.

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    Post  slasher Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:24 am


    Nord Stream 2 AG appeals EU court ruling in Gas Directive action

    This is interesting:
    In May 2020, Germany’s Federal Network Agency exempted the Nord Stream pipeline from those requirements for the period of 20 years, but refused to do the same for Nord Stream 2.
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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:46 am

    https://www.rbc.ru/business/11/08/2020/5f31659b9a79474f93c37c0f

    Russia’s Oil Product Exports To The U.S. Jump To 16-Year High

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    Post  owais.usmani Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:33 am

    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/plus213529196/Sanktionsdrohung-EU-bildet-Abwehrfront-gegen-USA-im-Streit-um-Nord-Stream-2.html

    EU forms defensive front against USA in the dispute over Nord Stream 2



    https://www.neweurope.eu/article/disdaining-us-threats-germany-russia-forge-ahead-with-nord-stream-2/

    Disdaining US threats, Germany, Russia forge ahead with Nord Stream 2

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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:52 am

    Its getting real ugly between two NATO members now: Twisted Evil

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    US senators’ letter on Nord Stream 2 sparks outrage in Germany



    A letter sent by three US senators warning the owner of a port on the Baltic Sea of “crushing legal and economic sanctions” if it continued to provide “significant goods, services, and support” for the controversial Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline has caused outrage in Germany.

    Republican lawmakers Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton and Ron Johnson sent the letter to Fährhafen Sassnitz GmbH, the operator of Mukran Port, on August 5. In the letter, they drew attention to the “broad array of US sanctions and guidance targeting the Nord Stream 2 project”.

    The move pitched the municipality of Sassnitz, which owns 90 per cent of the company, into the middle of the intensifying transatlantic struggle over the pipeline, owned by the Russian gas company Gazprom.

    It was a development that Frank Kracht, the mayor of Sassnitz, said will have serious implications for local officials including himself. Now German politicians across the political spectrum are demanding retaliation against an ally they say has gone too far.

    “[The senators] have no right to influence the sovereignty of our city or our state, the sovereignty of our federal republic, or of Europe with such letters,” Mr Kracht told the Financial Times. 

    The far-right Alternative for Germany party (AfD) has called for sanctions on Russia, imposed in response to its annexation of Crimea, to be lifted. Meanwhile, the Greens’ foreign affairs representative, Jürgen Tritt, described the American senators’ threats as an “economic declaration of war”. He called for German companies to be given protection against the “Wild West methods of Washington”.

    Last week, in a fresh turn in this increasingly bitter tussle, Klaus Ernst, who represents the leftwing Die Linke party in the Bundestag, sent a letter in response to the Senate foreign relations committee.

    In the letter, seen by the FT, he asked the senators to “imagine” if Germany were to write in such a manner to American ports of similar size, mentioning Lewiston in Idaho, the home state of Jim Risch, the chairman of the committee.

    Nord Stream 2 has been controversial since its inception. The US argues that the pipeline, which terminates at a receiving station in northern Germany, increases European energy dependency on Russia. Berlin, which backs the project despite complaints from some eastern European neighbours, believes Washington wants to scupper it in order to sell the continent American liquefied natural gas.

    For months, German officials largely ignored US objections, which enjoy bipartisan support and are therefore likely to persist, whatever the result of November’s presidential election.

    In July, however, Germany began to take US threats seriously after Mr Cruz, a Republican, and Democratic Senator Jeanne Shaheen pushed a bill to toughen sanctions in such a way that even companies or officials working only indirectly on the pipeline could be affected.

    Mr Kracht said neither he nor Mukran Port would respond to the senators. “This letter is structured to spread fear, create insecurity,” he said. “I will not deal with such weapons.”
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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:54 am

    https://www.naturalgasintel.com/u-s-sanctions-said-unlikely-to-halt-nord-stream-2-pipeline/

    U.S. Sanctions Said Unlikely to Halt Nord Stream 2 Pipeline


    Expanded U.S. sanctions will not likely halt Russia’s Nord Stream 2 (NS2) natural gas pipeline, according to Uniper, but management has warned investors that the chances of delays have increased.

    In 2017, Uniper was among five European companies that agreed to provide long-term financing for 50% of the estimated $11.8 billion project, with Russian state-controlled gas company Gazprom providing the rest.

    Uniper CEO Andreas Schierenbeck, speaking during a second quarter conference call earlier this month, said in a “worst-case” scenario the pipeline “would never be finished.” The question would be, “can we get our money back or not? But that’s a thing to be seen at the moment. I don’t expect that scenario…I think we underlined that probably with all the other financial investors of that project.”

    In a last-ditch attempt to stop construction of the 745-mile, 5.3 Bcf/d line that would traverse the Baltic Sea from Russia, to Greifswald, Germany, the Trump administration last month unveiled a plan to potentially sanction companies that participate in the project.

    The U.S. Department of State plans to remove a clause that previously grandfathered NS2 from the 2017 Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA). The act, imposed during the Obama administration, would allow the United States to impose sanctions against NS2 participants that do not wind down investments.

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the pipeline, which has significant investment from European companies, needs to be stopped because it would strengthen Russia’s stranglehold on the European Union (EU), which relies on Russia for about half of its gas imports of 340 billion cubic meters/year.

    The Trump administration has touted U.S. liquefied natural gas as crucial for curbing Russian influence, and NS2 likely would reduce European demand for domestic imports.

    Twenty-four of 27 EU member states filed a complaint with the State Department over the use of sanctions to influence American foreign policy goals, Bloomberg reported, citing an unnamed European diplomat.

    Uniper management does not expect the line to be stopped, but “the probability of a delay or even noncompletion is increasing.” The NS2 consortium is “working to mitigate the effects of the currently still suspended pipelaying activity and to bring the project to completion.”

    European countries that would receive gas from NS2 have said the project is necessary to lower prices and provide security of supply. Gas transit through Ukraine has previously been cut in cold winter months because of disputes with Russia.

    “A completion of the project receives strong political support from several country governments as well as the EU,” Uniper management said. If the project is not built Uniper indicated it may need to impair the loan and forfeit planned interest income.

    Uniper said it earned around $49 million in interest in the first half of 2020 from the NS2 financing loan, compared with $39 million) in the first half of 2019.

    Before the U.S. policy change was announced, the pipeline was expected to be completed by 2021. Many experts still expect it to be completed.

    Republican Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas, Tom Cotton of Arkansas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin ratcheted up tensions earlier this month in a letter to Fährhafen Sassnitz GmbH, which operates Mukran Port in Germany. They warned of “crushing legal and economic sanctions, which our government will be mandated to impose” if the company does not cease cooperating with Russia’s Gazprom in NS2. The small port houses two pipe-laying vessels that Gazprom plans to use to complete NS2.

    In addition to removing the grandfathering clause in CAATSA, the senators cited the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) signed into law in December. Among other things, the act requires the president to impose sanctions on foreigners involved in providing pipe-laying vessels for NS2.

    In July, the Senate passed its version of the NDAA for fiscal year 2020, which also would require sanctions against companies that “facilitate providing vessels for such activities, or that provide insurance or certain services for those vessels.”

    German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas earlier this month reportedly told Pompeo of his “dismay” over the senators’ threat, according to the Associated Press.
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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:30 pm

    Imperial wannabe US cunts. Back in the 1930s and 1940s they didn't raise a finger to stop US companies from succoring the Nazis.
    Now these cunts are terrorizing foreign companies from doing normal business because it competes with their ambitions.
    Nord Stream II does not have any human rights aspects involved. US support for the Nazis had the full spectrum, including the
    Holocaust.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:31 am

    Liked the idea of removing sanctions against Russia... that would be the ideal response from Germany because all this shit is about making Russia the enemy of the EU so the US can maintain control of the EU via HATO and other mechanisms.... an EU wielding the resources of Russia with cheap energy and raw materials would be a much bigger threat to the US than Russia on its own... especially at a time when the US wants EU and even Russian support in dealing with China...

    The more they try to use their power to bludgeon others the more opponents they create and sales of body armour will only increase.... so their blows will become less and less effective...
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    Post  owais.usmani Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:08 pm

    https://tass.com/oil-gas-industry/1195683

    MOSCOW, August 31. /TASS/. Gazprom supplied 1 bln cubic meters of gas in the Q2 to China via the Power of Siberia pipeline at prices significantly higher than European, Head of Gazprom's Financial and Economic Department Alexander Ivannikov said during a conference call with investors.

    "It is also worth noting that in the second quarter, Gazprom supplied about 1 billion cubic meters of gas to China via Power of Siberia gas pipeline at prices that significantly exceeded European prices. As the volume of gas supplies under the CNPC contract grows, the Chinese market will provide a more significant contribution to Gazprom's revenues and profits," Ivannikov said.
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    Post  kvs Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:25 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/merkel-pressed-sabotage-critical-russian-gas-pipeline-retaliation-navalny-poisoning

    Merkel Smerkel "pressured" to stop Nord Stream II.


    1) My how quick the conclusions are drawn. As if any sober investigation of the "crime" would find the guilty party this fast. This proves that
    the use of "novichok" (if it was actually used) is pure political theater designed to assign instant blame.

    2) Deutschland can go and eat shit. It can burn some more coal instead of cleaner natural gas. Hey, maybe the can send Navalny to the ovens.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:43 am

    Russia needs to be proactive... cancel Nord Stream II and redirect the pipes to deliver their gas to Kaliningrad... let them enjoy cheap gas supplies. They could set up liquification facilities there and load up ships with Russian LNG (liquified natural gas) which they can ship to Germany for 3-4 times the price they would have been paying for gas that is piped... it will still be cheaper than freedom gas from the US and they should have more than what they need... unlike the American sources...
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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:12 am

    GarryB wrote:Russia needs to be proactive... cancel Nord Stream II and redirect the pipes to deliver their gas to Kaliningrad... let them enjoy cheap gas supplies. They could set up liquification facilities there and load up ships with Russian LNG (liquified natural gas) which they can ship to Germany for 3-4 times the price they would have been paying for gas that is piped... it will still be cheaper than freedom gas from the US and they should have more than what they need... unlike the American sources...

    NS2 capacity of 55 bcm per anum is severe overkill for the population and industry of Kaliningrad, I think they already have enough gas there as per their requirement. Setting up LNG plant at Kaliningrad to resell the gas of NS2 would require billions of dollars of investment, plus if that gas has to be sold as LNG, it would be much wiser and cheaper to build the LNG plant right at Saint Petersburg or Ust Luga.

    That being said, I think its pretty obvious now that Germany is not going to abandon NS2. NS2 is probably going to be a bit more delayed but ultimately Germany is going to get that gas.

    Also, I do believe that NS2 is most probably the very last gas pipeline Russia has built to Europe. All the future pipelines would be going towards east.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:05 pm

    You don't seem to understand the concept of "long term investment". This plant could provide Kaliningrad ridiculous amount of revenue, and high paying wages. Cheaper gas (as it's expensive in Kaliningrad compared to other Russian regions) and give huge opportunities for Russia to force it's export to Europe which will still be cheaper than US gas. Let alone, mean more money for Kaliningrad.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia needs to be proactive... cancel Nord Stream II and redirect the pipes to deliver their gas to Kaliningrad... let them enjoy cheap gas supplies. They could set up liquification facilities there and load up ships with Russian LNG (liquified natural gas) which they can ship to Germany for 3-4 times the price they would have been paying for gas that is piped... it will still be cheaper than freedom gas from the US and they should have more than what they need... unlike the American sources...

    Wow Garry I am impressed you are starting to take notes from the US playbook.

    So let me get this straight, cancel the deal which Russia would be in violation of, Germany has kept its end of the deal.

    Tell the Germans "hey we are doing this pay us 4x the price of the gas or FU because screw deals, we wanna boost our income"

    You are becoming more American every day. What you have suggested is literally what we do. But it's okay if Russia does it right? but if the US does it you complain and complain and complain.

    Hypocrisy is funny.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:24 am

    NS2 capacity of 55 bcm per anum is severe overkill for the population and industry of Kaliningrad

    Quite true, but even connected to Germany it was only ever going to be allowed to deliver half that capacity anyway.

    Kaliningrad is Russian, so it would be an excellent way of delivering cheap gas to a region of Russia.

    I think they already have enough gas there as per their requirement.

    Cheap gas brings with it potential for growth in a range of energy intensive industries which will also make it more competitive with its european neighbours.

    Setting up LNG plant at Kaliningrad to resell the gas of NS2 would require billions of dollars of investment, plus if that gas has to be sold as LNG, it would be much wiser and cheaper to build the LNG plant right at Saint Petersburg or Ust Luga.

    Why would it be cheaper or wiser? It could create new jobs and work for the port at Kaliningrad... the pipeline is already mostly built, so completing it to a different terminus is the best use of the money already spent.

    That being said, I think its pretty obvious now that Germany is not going to abandon NS2.

    How can Russia be sure... look at the Novachok bullshit Merkel is spouting at the moment... how much longer will she remain in office and what will her replacement be like... I would doubt they will be pro Russian... or even Russian neutral...

    NS2 is probably going to be a bit more delayed but ultimately Germany is going to get that gas.

    They are ultimately going to want cheap gas... they are not actually doing anything active to help Russia getting it done though are they?

    Also, I do believe that NS2 is most probably the very last gas pipeline Russia has built to Europe. All the future pipelines would be going towards east.

    If Europe had a cheaper alternative they would have taken it years ago... Russia has been trying to improve reliability of delivery and all they get is shit from the EU for their efforts... screw the EU... pay 10 times more and get some of that Freedom Gas...

    Russia can liquify its gas and sell it to anybody around the world once it is on a ship.

    So let me get this straight, cancel the deal which Russia would be in violation of, Germany has kept its end of the deal.

    I would expect there are lots of outclauses that could be used... like the French used with the Mistral deal... and the US used with the Iran nuclear deal an the ABM treaty and the INF treaty and soon the new START treaty...

    Tell the Germans "hey we are doing this pay us 4x the price of the gas or FU because screw deals, we wanna boost our income"

    Nothing to do with boosting their income. Liquifying gas costs money so when they sell it at a higher price they are just covering the cost of liquification... they usually don't make more money.

    What they are telling the Germans is that you complained that you didn't get your gas when Ukraine was stealing it, so we have found a solution that prevents any other customer from stealing gas being sent for you by piping it directly to you, but you are still giving us shit about it and being a pain in the ass... why are we bending over backwards to provide cheap energy for you and your industries that are direct competition internationally to our industries?

    We normally stick to deals even when it is not ideal for us like the INF treaty, but in this case it really is not worth it... instead we can pipe gas to another part of Russia that would likely appreciate cheap gas and could turn it to their advantage...

    You are becoming more American every day.

    Actually I recently lost a bit of weight... Razz

    What you have suggested is literally what we do.

    Russia has not bombed its competition to provide the EU with gas, nor has it regime changed any country to the same purpose.

    But it's okay if Russia does it right? but if the US does it you complain and complain and complain.

    It is funny that the worst thing you can say about Russia is that it might be acting sort of like the US does... even though you are wrong.

    Russia has been asserting its right to disagree and do what it thinks is right since Putin got in office... that is why he is hated in the west... and garners respect most other places...

    Russia making the best of a bad situation is not hypocrasy.... the EU and US accusing Russia of using energy as a weapon to control the EU is the hypocrasy..
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:39 am

    I could say worse things about them but why bother? Unlike you, I do not call out others for doing what others do and yes Garry it is full-blown hypocrisy and what we have here ow is a hypocrite trying to defend their hypocritical views

    I have a very simple motto "Don't bitch if everyone is doing it".

    French used no out deal, they paid the free for breach of contract and failure to deliver the product and that was it, you know this so you just lied here. Stop lying Garry you should know better.

    You can dress up your hypocrisy all you want, fact is you openly said Russia should cancel its obligation for the sole reason of planting a plant at Kalin then charge x3-x4 the price. That's literally canceling a deal to boost their income. Hey if the Russians wanna do that, let them I don't care simply pointing out you are a hypocrite for supporting methods used by the US when it comes to Russia but also complaining any chance you get if the US does it.

    Oh but it has done things to its competition maybe not bombs, but don't worry one day when Russia makes the amount of bucks we do and wants to keep making those bucks they will start dropping those bombs. Russia simply isn't in a position to behave like we do.



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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:33 pm

    Yanqui morons think that they will get magical export capacity for LNG to replace 160 bcm/year of Russian piped supply. Even tripping on mushrooms will not generate such retarded puree of BS.
    Qatar is the only source of LNG that Uncle Swine-shit can use. He has no personal export capacity. ZERO.

    And even though Qatar exports around 110 bcm/year it does not have the capacity to export 270 bcm/year to replace Russian as a supplier of gas to Europe. So Uncle Swine-shit is
    basically crapping all over his allies/vassals while bleating about Russian blackmail. In yanqui newspeak cheap and reliable gas supply is blackmail. But sanctions terrorism of
    pipe laying companies is "freedom".
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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:36 pm

    In the last year we have had Russian LNG tankers delivering gas to the USA.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-united-states-importing-natural-gas-russia-91221

    Russia needs to stop doing this. Uncle Swine-shit's sanctions need an answer. And a swift kick to the 'nads of energy are a good start. Russia loses nothing
    by not selling its gas. The demand is not disappearing but increasing with time.


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