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Tu-160 "White Swan"
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[quote="JohninMK"]Good picture of the size difference.
oh, well now i understand what girls are talking that size does matter
oh, well now i understand what girls are talking that size does matter
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Tu-160 Air International/Piotr Butowski
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Putin spoke about the possible increase in the contract for the Tu-160
"We signed a contract for 10 cars at the beginning of last year. Another 10 will be upgraded by the Tu-160. And, maybe, we will even increase the number ... taking into account the fact that the Tu-160 is becoming a completely new car, with huge, necessary for Ministry of Defense capabilities, the Ministry of Defense does not preclude an increase in the contract for the future, "- said Putin, talking to the workers of the plant - a branch of PJSC" Tupolev. "
https://ria.ru/20190513/1553453614.html
"We signed a contract for 10 cars at the beginning of last year. Another 10 will be upgraded by the Tu-160. And, maybe, we will even increase the number ... taking into account the fact that the Tu-160 is becoming a completely new car, with huge, necessary for Ministry of Defense capabilities, the Ministry of Defense does not preclude an increase in the contract for the future, "- said Putin, talking to the workers of the plant - a branch of PJSC" Tupolev. "
https://ria.ru/20190513/1553453614.html
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dino00 wrote:Putin spoke about the possible increase in the contract for the Tu-160
"We signed a contract for 10 cars at the beginning of last year. Another 10 will be upgraded by the Tu-160. And, maybe, we will even increase the number ... taking into account the fact that the Tu-160 is becoming a completely new car, with huge, necessary for Ministry of Defense capabilities, the Ministry of Defense does not preclude an increase in the contract for the future, "- said Putin, talking to the workers of the plant - a branch of PJSC" Tupolev. "
https://ria.ru/20190513/1553453614.html
Ludicrous translators. The Russian word is "machina" which is closest translated as "machine" not "car".
Nice to see the Tu-160 progressing. No reason to throw it out and put all the eggs in the basket of the PAK-DA.
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If things hadn't gone tits up in the early 1990s the plan would have been for 50-100 Tu-160s together with a force of subsonic cheaper to operate Bears.
I rather suspect the future plans are for 50-70 Tu-160s and 50-100 cheaper to operate PAK DA subsonic bombers... with perhaps variations like an inflight refuelling tanker aircraft for strategic forces and an MPA and possibly an AWACS platform with surface located radar antenna...
I rather suspect the future plans are for 50-70 Tu-160s and 50-100 cheaper to operate PAK DA subsonic bombers... with perhaps variations like an inflight refuelling tanker aircraft for strategic forces and an MPA and possibly an AWACS platform with surface located radar antenna...
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dino00 wrote:Putin spoke about the possible increase in the contract for the Tu-160
"We signed a contract for 10 cars at the beginning of last year. Another 10 will be upgraded by the Tu-160. And, maybe, we will even increase the number ... taking into account the fact that the Tu-160 is becoming a completely new car, with huge, necessary for Ministry of Defense capabilities, the Ministry of Defense does not preclude an increase in the contract for the future, "- said Putin, talking to the workers of the plant - a branch of PJSC" Tupolev. "
https://ria.ru/20190513/1553453614.html
so we talk about new built Tu-160s since there exist no more than 14-16
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George1 wrote:dino00 wrote:Putin spoke about the possible increase in the contract for the Tu-160
"We signed a contract for 10 cars at the beginning of last year. Another 10 will be upgraded by the Tu-160. And, maybe, we will even increase the number ... taking into account the fact that the Tu-160 is becoming a completely new car, with huge, necessary for Ministry of Defense capabilities, the Ministry of Defense does not preclude an increase in the contract for the future, "- said Putin, talking to the workers of the plant - a branch of PJSC" Tupolev. "
https://ria.ru/20190513/1553453614.html
so we talk about new built Tu-160s since there exist no more than 14-16
Is said that there will be at first 10 new machines and 10 modernized. Maybe they are going to retire the oldest ones and modernize/renew the newest ones, with new avioncs and engines.
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jaguar_br wrote:George1 wrote:dino00 wrote:Putin spoke about the possible increase in the contract for the Tu-160
"We signed a contract for 10 cars at the beginning of last year. Another 10 will be upgraded by the Tu-160. And, maybe, we will even increase the number ... taking into account the fact that the Tu-160 is becoming a completely new car, with huge, necessary for Ministry of Defense capabilities, the Ministry of Defense does not preclude an increase in the contract for the future, "- said Putin, talking to the workers of the plant - a branch of PJSC" Tupolev. "
https://ria.ru/20190513/1553453614.html
so we talk about new built Tu-160s since there exist no more than 14-16
Is said that there will be at first 10 new machines and 10 modernized. Maybe they are going to retire the oldest ones and modernize/renew the newest ones, with new avioncs and engines.
No. None of the old ones are close to retirement.
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Second, Kinzhal is a rocket powered manouvering rocket that is relatively short and fat... not a good design for internal carriage on a strategic cruise missile carrier.. wrote:
Kinzhal is a standard balistic missile launch on aircraft. Kinzal has limited maneuverability in the terminal phase of the flight.
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Kinzhal is the air launched version of Iskander, which is a ground launch solid fuelled rocket designed to manouver all the way to the target to evade SAM air defences... which means the air launched model is probably the same.
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Tu-160 Strategic bombers in Anadyr
According to the Department of Information and Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on August 14, 2019, two Tu-160 strategic missile carriers of the Russian Long-Range Aviation aircraft performed a long non-stop flight from the [Engels] base to the Anadyr airfield.
The flight duration was more than eight hours, during which time the Tu-160 crews covered over 6 thousand kilometers. The flight was carried out without refueling.
The events were held as part of a planned tactical flight exercise under the leadership of long-range aviation commander of the Russian Air Force, Lieutenant General Sergei Kobylash, which will last until the end of this week.
During the exercise, the tasks of relocation to operational aerodromes, as well as flights with refueling in the air, will be worked out. The event involved about 10 aircraft Tu-160, Tu-95MS, IL-78.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3738155.html
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miketheterrible wrote:jaguar_br wrote:George1 wrote:dino00 wrote:Putin spoke about the possible increase in the contract for the Tu-160
"We signed a contract for 10 cars at the beginning of last year. Another 10 will be upgraded by the Tu-160. And, maybe, we will even increase the number ... taking into account the fact that the Tu-160 is becoming a completely new car, with huge, necessary for Ministry of Defense capabilities, the Ministry of Defense does not preclude an increase in the contract for the future, "- said Putin, talking to the workers of the plant - a branch of PJSC" Tupolev. "
https://ria.ru/20190513/1553453614.html
so we talk about new built Tu-160s since there exist no more than 14-16
Is said that there will be at first 10 new machines and 10 modernized. Maybe they are going to retire the oldest ones and modernize/renew the newest ones, with new avioncs and engines.
No. None of the old ones are close to retirement.
Well the soviet Tu-160 are not close to retirement in 2019, but in 2035 will have more of 45 years.
The question is clear, the Tu-160M2 will go to Engels with the soviet Tu-160, and to Ukrainka
Now, in total, there are one regiment of Tu-160 and tree of Tu-95.
You need to put the dates in perspective.
The production of Tu-160 will be small, so to build 50 to 55 pieces it will be necesary 15 years, so you are in 2035.
The Tu-95MSM is a stopgap for the half of fleet of Tu-95 can remain n service until 2035 or so.
Then, about 2035, the soviet Tu-160 will have 45 or more years, so the next is build other 16 or 18 for replace the soviet models.
It is so simply, at the end the 4 long range bombers regiments will have a standard model: Tu-160M2 , that is that should have happened in the 90´s if the USSR had remained
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https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/123269/
Are these new Tu-160 being built or just the old ones being modernized?
Are these new Tu-160 being built or just the old ones being modernized?
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owais.usmani wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/123269/
Are these new Tu-160 being built or just the old ones being modernized?
I would say existing ones undergoing refurbishment and upgrade...
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It is so simply, at the end the 4 long range bombers regiments will have a standard model: Tu-160M2 , that is that should have happened in the 90´s if the USSR had remained
I don't agree... I think by 2035 they will likely have about 60 or so White Swans, but they will also likely have 40-50 PA DA bombers in growing numbers to replace both the Bears and the Backfires.
Production of the White Swan will be extended because they will also be making PAK DAs there too from about 2026-2028 or so...
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And how is the progress of the creation of a modernized version of the White Swan - Tu-160M?
- At the end of 2020, as part of the state contract, by order of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia, the first Tu-160M aircraft built from scratch will be rolled out. In parallel, the construction of the first batch of production aircraft under a contract with the Ministry of Defense is underway (for 10 aircraft - IF) . In addition, a deep modernization of the Tu-160 combatant is underway - this work will be completed within the time frame set by the military department
Good interview with Denis Manturov Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation
https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=2&nid=515705&lang=RU
- At the end of 2020, as part of the state contract, by order of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia, the first Tu-160M aircraft built from scratch will be rolled out. In parallel, the construction of the first batch of production aircraft under a contract with the Ministry of Defense is underway (for 10 aircraft - IF) . In addition, a deep modernization of the Tu-160 combatant is underway - this work will be completed within the time frame set by the military department
Good interview with Denis Manturov Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation
https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=2&nid=515705&lang=RU
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magnumcromagnon wrote:
They can make this machine a stealth vehicle by introducing flattened angled surfaces where there are curves and by making the
intakes into a wide saw-tooth fan-like shape. It really is just one step away from the magic of stealth.
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The first motor compartment for strategic bombers Tu-160M2 new construction
According to the Vzletnaya Striza factory newspaper of the V.P. Chkalov Novosibirsk Aviation Plant (VP Chkalov National Aviation Plant, a branch of Sukhoi Company PJSC), at the end of September 2019, the company completed the production of the first motorcycle bunker of the Tu strategic bomber -160 (I mean, as you can understand, the first production model of the Tu-160M2 bomber). Motor compartment prepared for shipment to Kazan Aviation Plant named after S.P. Gorbunova (a branch of PJSC Tupolev), which is building the Tu-160 series bombers.
Recall that on January 25, 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defense in the presence of the President of Russia V.V. Putin signed in Kazan with PJSC Tupolev a contract worth 160 billion rubles for the construction of ten new Tu-160M2 bombers by 2027. According to known data, the first flight of the first of them is planned for 2021 with the beginning of deliveries in 2023.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3799871.html
According to the Vzletnaya Striza factory newspaper of the V.P. Chkalov Novosibirsk Aviation Plant (VP Chkalov National Aviation Plant, a branch of Sukhoi Company PJSC), at the end of September 2019, the company completed the production of the first motorcycle bunker of the Tu strategic bomber -160 (I mean, as you can understand, the first production model of the Tu-160M2 bomber). Motor compartment prepared for shipment to Kazan Aviation Plant named after S.P. Gorbunova (a branch of PJSC Tupolev), which is building the Tu-160 series bombers.
Recall that on January 25, 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defense in the presence of the President of Russia V.V. Putin signed in Kazan with PJSC Tupolev a contract worth 160 billion rubles for the construction of ten new Tu-160M2 bombers by 2027. According to known data, the first flight of the first of them is planned for 2021 with the beginning of deliveries in 2023.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3799871.html
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They can make this machine a stealth vehicle by introducing flattened angled surfaces where there are curves and by making the
intakes into a wide saw-tooth fan-like shape. It really is just one step away from the magic of stealth.
Yeah, and if they made it out of titanium and platinum they could also make it really expensive too.
It currently carries 5,000km range cruise missiles, and will likely end up carrying missiles with twice that range and 8-10 times the speed they do now, so why make them more expensive to make and operate?
Unless you want to use them for a first strike by the time they get to their launch zones ICBMs and SLBMs will have already destroyed the US and European air defences, so the chance of being detected by radar and intercepted are pretty damn low.... stealthy or not stealthy.
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21.10.2019 (19:52)
The Russian Aerospace Forces air group consisting of two Tu-160 strategic missile carriers, Il-62 and An-124 Ruslan military transport aircraft will visit the Republic of South Africa
The purpose of the visit is the development of bilateral military cooperation and the development of issues of interaction between the Russian Aerospace Forces and the South African air force.
The event will contribute to improving the combat training of the aircrew of the two countries.
The consistent development of comprehensive friendly relations between Russia and South Africa, which are built in the spirit of strategic partnership and mutual understanding, has been confirmed.
The Russian Aerospace Forces air group consisting of two Tu-160 strategic missile carriers, Il-62 and An-124 Ruslan military transport aircraft will visit the Republic of South Africa
The purpose of the visit is the development of bilateral military cooperation and the development of issues of interaction between the Russian Aerospace Forces and the South African air force.
The event will contribute to improving the combat training of the aircrew of the two countries.
The consistent development of comprehensive friendly relations between Russia and South Africa, which are built in the spirit of strategic partnership and mutual understanding, has been confirmed.
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With only around 15 tu-160 in service they shouldn't send them around the world and risk losing them.
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