UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News #2

limb wrote:

As Ukrs lack any serious optical tracking AA systems, what we have is an Arab wedding at full scale.

They have plenty of optically tracked buks, starstreak, tunguska and at least 5 captured Tor-M2s.

5?

I count 1 system, one!
Where are the other 4?

Even if there are 5 ...
The United States will have it 2x
1x Israel,
1x GB
1x fra/ger

No system will remain in Ukraine, none! Especially not active. They are all sent to the "military technical" units for evaluation and testing. Unfortunately..

ALAMO wrote:I wouldn't overestimate the new Iranian stuff If I were you folks.
Those bigger drones are nothing else than a cruise missiles, while lacking the stealth functions all along.
What makes a difference for G2 is the fact, that it is extremely hard to lock on by the means other than optical and radar.
As Ukrs lack any serious optical tracking AA systems, what we have is an Arab wedding at full scale.
Separate incidents where they managed finally take out this flying moped is with the use of 9M38 missiles, which makes it extremely expensive trade out, or gunfire, which makes it a matter of luck rather than any serious calculation.
As soon as Russkie will start to release heavier, jet powered drones - all the MANPADS Ukrs have in thousands will start to take them out.
It is a relative slow moving target with standard radar signature and very simple jest engine that makes lots of heat.
Still it would be a very good substitute to obviously more expensive mature cruise missiles in the Russian arsenal, at a fraction of costs.
I'm just saying that expect the Ukr channels starting to present some bigger numbers of intercepted drones they seriously lacking now, as for the whole war we have an accountable number of interceptions of relatively old missiles like Ch-59, or some extremely rare pics of the other CMs that could be a malfunction either.

The mistake is that they underestimate the Iranian ability, creativity and the situation again.

The "Geran-2" is just the thing for this conflict in this current situation. Extremely difficult to get down, accurate and cheap and available in masses!

Israel will get into her pants. You can't get 100 or 200 of them even with Torm2. Even if so, then 200 and then the light is out again. And then come all the other rockets, drones, etc.

The best weapon is the one that works, is cheap and available in masses. If the Germans had had a monthly production of the Stug-III with the 7.5cm kWK 43 in 1941, the war would have been different from 300 units a month. Fortunately, it wasn't like that. And the Stug-III was not a miracle weapon.

It was simple, it was cheap, it was reliable. It worked. That's exactly what the Iranians do.

Sure they do.
That reminded me of the Israeli position for Ukro beggers about the Iron Dome.
Israelis are pragmatic either.
Iron Dome is a system to intercept a mass attack of small, inexpensive and underdeveloped hand made missiles the Palestinians are throwing at them.
As they said, it won't work for the technically matured air raid, as was not constructed to do so.
It might prove effective to take out Grad salvo, but that would be much of it.
As Russia is not using them for deliberate strikes on the civilian infrastructure - a whole concept is dumb. And made only for the reason to spread the conflict as wide as possible.

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:

limb wrote:

As Ukrs lack any serious optical tracking AA systems, what we have is an Arab wedding at full scale.

They have plenty of optically tracked buks, starstreak, tunguska and at least 5 captured Tor-M2s.

5?

I count 1 system, one!
Where are the other 4?

Even if there are 5 ...
The United States will have it 2x
1x Israel,
1x GB
1x fra/ger

No system will remain in Ukraine, none! Especially not active. They are all sent to the "military technical" units for evaluation and testing. Unfortunately..

Heres a tor captured in the olgino offensive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdwW4NIZsXs

The captured/destroyed were older version, tor or tor m1 that Ukraine also has.

So nato already analyzed them since like 2014.

And even if they have access to them, it's a SHORAD system. It will be turned on when the target is in engagement range and there is little you can do when it fires its missiles. Jamming at 10km away is useless. The radar will burn through any jamming at such distance.

November 2, 10:00,
updated November 2, 10:57

"Kalashnikov" began deliveries to the Russian troops of the latest copter-type drones

According to the head of the holding, drones are an important area of ​​the concern's work.

MOSCOW, November 2. /TASS/. Concern "Kalashnikov" began supplying the Russian troops with the latest unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of the copter type. This was announced to journalists on Wednesday by the head of the holding Alan Lushnikov.
“We have not announced this, but we are already supplying copters to the army. This is a whole line. Some of them are already being produced and supplied in series. Some are in development and will be released next year. further. This is a very important area, and we are paying serious attention to it," Lushnikov said. As an example, the head of the concern cited the ZALA 421-24 copter from ZALA AERO (part of the Kalashnikov group of companies of the Rostec state corporation), presented at the Army 2022 forum.

According to Rostec, this drone is capable of operating under electronic countermeasures and flying in complete radio silence.

Concern "Kalashnikov" is the largest Russian manufacturer of combat automatic and sniper weapons. It is the flagship of the domestic small arms industry, it accounts for about 95% of the production of small arms in Russia. Products are supplied to more than 27 countries around the world.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16225181

16:22 04.11.2022

The source revealed the real name of the drones "Lancet"
Versions of loitering ammunition of the Lancet project are called "Izdeliye-51" and "Izdeliye-52" IZDELIYE (PRODUCT)


RIA Novosti / Mikhail Voskresensky


MOSCOW, November 4 - RIA Novosti. The real name of the Lancet loitering ammunition is Izdeliye-51 and Izdeliye-52, a source in the military-industrial complex told RIA Novosti on Friday.
"The basic version of the device with a warhead of 3 kg and two X-shaped wings is called the Product-52, the upgraded drone with a warhead reinforced to 5 kg and one X-shaped wing was called the Product-51," the agency's interlocutor said.

He clarified that "Lancet" is the name of the project, which is now irrelevant, but it has already been fixed as the name of the devices for the general public and therefore is used by developers for public events.
Earlier on Friday, RIA Novosti published a selection of exclusive videos with the combat work of the Izdeliye-51 and Izdeliye-52 drones as part of a special military operation. In the videos, in particular, it was shown how self-propelled artillery mounts delivered to Ukraine from the United States are hit with the help of drones equipped with a cumulative part.

https://ria.ru/20221104/lantset-1829238198.html

uses as electric motor so is quiet and IR is low
it is a nasty piece of work

it says here its warhead is 3kgs
so is similar to an RPG

so I checked out the Kornet which makes mincemeat of MBTs
it uses a 4.5kg warhead

you can bet there is another bigger Lancet coming through soon .... a flying Kornet
videos from that hitting those self-propelled howitzers will be spectacular ... that's for sure

Gazputin wrote:uses as electric motor so is quiet and IR is low
it is a nasty piece of work

it says here its warhead is 3kgs
so is similar to an RPG

so I checked out the Kornet which makes mincemeat of MBTs
it uses a 4.5kg warhead

you can bet there is another bigger Lancet coming through soon .... a flying Kornet
videos from that hitting those self-propelled howitzers will be spectacular ... that's for sure

Don't forget that Kornet missile has much higher kinetic energy due to its speed.

According to some sources there is already a version with a 5kg warhead. Needs official confirmation.

November 14, 23:30,
updated November 14, 23:34

The UAC has patented a system that allows fighter jets to pick up and release drones on the fly
"The invention can be used on aircraft such as fighters, transport aircraft, strategic bombers, etc.," the text of the patent says.

MOSCOW, 15 November. /TASS/. The United Aircraft Corporation (UAC, part of the Rostec state corporation) has patented an aircraft mooring system that can be used to capture and retract unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) into the on-board compartment on the fly, as well as release them. This follows from a patent for an invention distributed by the Federal Institute of Industrial Property (available to TASS).

"The invention relates to the aircraft industry and can be used in the design of equipping aircraft with unmanned aerial vehicles, namely, to a system and method for capturing and cleaning an unmanned aerial vehicle in the cargo compartment of an aircraft, as well as to the mooring unit of this system. <...> The invention can find application on aircraft such as fighters, transport aircraft, strategic bombers, etc.," the text of the patent says.

System Features

The basis of the system is a folding frame, the fastening part of which is fixed in the internal space of the cargo compartment of the aircraft and connected by a rotary part to the space frame. The space frame consists of two parallel beams connected by arched transverse members. In addition, the system includes a mooring cone, as well as a primary contact cone attached to the end of the rope, the other end of which is attached to the winder.

When approaching the UAV, the aircraft ejects the folding frame from the cargo compartment, after which the cable is released with a primary contact cone at the end. The drone must fly up to this cone, engage with it with a contact pin and lock into it with a lock, after which the cable will begin to pull up. The developers point out the need to equip the UAV with a cable tension control system that would ensure its design tension and reduce the likelihood of buildup if this tension is exceeded.

When the UAV comes under the arches of the frame, laid out at an angle of three degrees to the horizontal plane, the primary contact cone enters the mooring cone and is fixed in it with grippers. After that, the frame deviates by three degrees to the horizontal plane, as a result of which the locks on the frame are coupled with the counterparts on the drone. When the drone is docked, the frame folds up, tucking it into the cargo hold of the aircraft and locking it in the stowed position locks.

The developers note that the system can also be used to separate the drone while flying at any height, however, during this process, the UAV is fixed in the system by a compression mechanism, and not by a contact pin in the primary contact cone.
"After issuing a command to detach the unmanned aerial vehicle, the folding frame is unfolded, after which the engines of the unmanned aerial vehicle are started, its wings are opened, all the necessary systems are launched, and after receiving a command about the normal functioning of all systems, the command to detach is confirmed, the locks are opened, located on a spatial frame, and the unmanned aerial vehicle is separated from the folding frame," the document states.

"After issuing a command to detach the unmanned aerial vehicle, the folding frame is unfolded, after which the engines of the unmanned aerial vehicle are started, its wings are opened, all the necessary systems are launched, and after receiving a command about the normal functioning of all systems, the command to detach is confirmed, the locks are opened, located on a spatial frame, and the unmanned aerial vehicle is separated from the folding frame," the document states.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16322991

Why isnt russia serially producing quadcopters that drop mortar bombs and grenades yet?They're an excellent trench clearing tool, as sparta videos show. ukraine has a huge amount of heavy quadcopters dropping mortar shells, while russians are stuck with mavics that can only drop F1 grenades at best.

1. The small drone that can flip to 90° to start/land vertically or even fly like a helicopter or a plane looks interesting.

2. The teathered multicopter could be the model that is planned for the T-14.

3. The small tube-launched drone looked promising. Heavier models with warheads, please. 

November 20, 23:37

In Russia, for the first time, the Shershen quadrocopter was shown to suppress drones with ultrasound
Vitaly Dolgov, head of the laboratory for external piloting and operation of unmanned aircraft at NIIVK, said that the device can be used to disperse riots

MOSCOW, 21 November. /TASS/. The Shershen quadrocopter, designed to suppress unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and disperse riots using ultrasound, was first presented at the Aeronet-2035 exhibition in Moscow. This was told to TASS by the head of the laboratory of external piloting and operation of unmanned aircraft of the Scientific Research Institute of Computing Systems (NIIVK) named after V.I. M. A Kartseva Vitaly Dolgov.

The exhibition, which demonstrates UAVs and Russian-made suppression systems, is being held from November 17 to 27 at VDNKh. "The Shershen quadrocopter is presented for the first time, it is a new prototype, work is still underway. An interesting direction, a dual-purpose device with an ultrasound payload, radar suppression," Dolgov said. According to him, the quadcopter can be used to suppress drones and disperse riots.

As Dolgov noted, the Shershen is a short-range drone, up to 10 km. “Now we are testing a coating for a quadrocopter that will reflect radars. This should be its peculiarity. If you look at the sample presented at the exhibition, it seems to be painted all over. This is a special paint that will reflect the radar,” he noted.

Dolgov stressed that "Shershen" can be used in the oil and gas sector to control the condition of oil and gas pipelines, environmental monitoring. In addition, the creators of the quadrocopter are planning to use it in emergency response: to detect sources of emergencies, assess damage, and monitor restoration work.

NIIVK them. M. A. Kartseva is an enterprise of the radio-electronic industry of Russia, carrying out scientific research and development in the field of digital technology, control systems and information technologies. The Institute specializes in the creation of hardware and software for solving the problems of transport, industry, energy and other industries.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16381783

Special operation lessons: UAV production lines in Russia are busier than ever

The special military operation showed that there is a whole group of military-technical areas where our country had a serious, and sometimes critical, lag behind its opponents. One of these areas is unmanned aerial vehicles, both aviation and marine. You can say as much as you like that for the same UAVs we were “ahead of the rest of the planet”, you can engage in hat-taking as much as you like, but the fact remains: already at the first stage of the NMD, the needs of the Russian Armed Forces in the field of reconnaissance, and even more so strike drones, including drones - "kamikaze" were far from satisfied. And in terms of unmanned aircraft, the Turkish “Bayraktars” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine literally reigned on the fronts of the NMD.

At the same time, you can sprinkle ashes on your head as much as you like, stating that the aviation unmanned industry in the country is completely crossed out from production realities, that drones “if there are, then they are entirely Iranian or Chinese”, that we only know how to re-stick stickers and outweigh tags, but the fact in the fact that since the beginning of the SVO, the volume of production of UAVs in Russia has increased manifold. The production lines are busy like never before.

During the 9 months of the special operation for a number of items, the production of drones by Russian companies not only surpassed the rates that were demonstrated before February 24 (and it was not surprising to surpass them), but exceeded the number of drones produced often over 4-5 years by the same companies. Today, the multifunctional reconnaissance Orlans-10 are literally put on the conveyor. Their production has grown exponentially. Percussion "Lancets", which in the spring were a real curiosity for the fronts of a special military operation, today "make a rustle" in the camp of the enemy. Since the beginning of October alone, thanks to the use of Lancets, Russian troops have destroyed more than 600 military personnel of the enemy army and up to a company of mercenaries, hit 14 American howitzers M777, at least 9 field ammunition depots, 4 counter-battery stations, 6 air defense installations,

Over four hundred uses of the Geran-2 UAV, which the enemy continues to call the Iranian Shaheds 136, have been recorded, but these are the problems of the enemy. He can call these drones whatever he likes, but, being produced in Russia, they have already managed to inflict enormous damage on the enemy’s infrastructure, both in the rear and in the front line zone. The damage inflicted on the enemy by Geranium-2 alone since the beginning of their use is estimated at no less than $3 billion. And this is according to the estimates of the Ukrainian side. In reality, this figure, if guided by the scale of underestimation of losses by the Kyiv regime, is just right to be multiplied by at least 2.

Thus, lessons are learned. Slowly? The question is open. But the fact that we learn from mistakes is a fact. This means that the prospect of the development of the unmanned industry is far from being an ordinary phrase and not an empty phrase.

https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/206510-uroki-specoperacii-proizvodstvennye-linii-bpla-v-rossii-zagruzheny-kak-nikogda-ranshe.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

"8 complexes of 6 aircraft each have already been delivered."
So 48 total

"12 more complexes to be delivered next month."
If that is 12 aircraft then the total will be 60. If it is 12 complexes of 6 each again, it brings the total to 120.

I suspect the lower number.

https://twitter.com/Taurevanime/status/1611674471366283264?cxt=HHwWgMDS9ZDZ6N0sAAAA

NOTE: does anyone else have anything concerning this. Remember reading Kronshtadt saying that they could do 7 complexes of 3 per year.

Switching production to double shifts probably allowed them to double drone production and reach those numbers. As for each complex having 6 aircraft instead of 3 it might be that they figured out that was more optimal given the amount of operators they had and command nodes they can produce.

Videos taken by newly built ZALA drones. First thing that can be noticed is that camera stabilization has been upgraded and picture is less shaky and in focus.
https://t.me/voenacher/37348

In termal camera mode:
https://t.me/voenacher/37349