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Tu-22M3: News
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https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/908396201434906625
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JohninMK wrote:
This is the source
https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/908396201434906625
BTW I'm pretty sure AMCXXL will come up with details info soon
JohninMK- Posts : 15649
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T-47 wrote:JohninMK wrote:
This is the source
https://twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/908396201434906625
BTW I'm pretty sure AMCXXL will come up with details info soon
It happened before
https://twitter.com/Missilito/status/908586715224461313
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The Aviationist @TheAviationist
Russian Air Force Tu-22M Backfire Damaged In Runway Overrun Accident During Zapad 2017 Exercise https://wp.me/p2TYIs-bll
Serbian Team @SerbianTeam 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @TheAviationist
Hard landing, front gear broked, puncture fuselage and nose colapsed..Pilots are ok.
https://twitter.com/TheAviationist/status/908708659965890560
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can be fixed.miketheterrible wrote:I guess that's it for that Tu-22M3. Strip the parts for another one to be upgraded and send that one to junk yard.
Too bad too. While there are still quite a few of them still around, there isn't a replacement for them anytime soon.
what is your signature pic ?
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Has this awesome video been posted before ...
one of the rare occasions I find .. on Russian websites .. describing TU-22 operations/experiences
one of the rare occasions I find .. on Russian websites .. describing TU-22 operations/experiences
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Looks like he just added up some Syrian operation videos.....
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Amazing how there is always a camera at these events now. What the hell happened?
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JohninMK wrote:Amazing how there is always a camera at these events now. What the hell happened?
The braking chute didn't deploy until way too late. Either human or mechanical error.
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nice aircraft
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JohninMK wrote:Amazing how there is always a camera at these events now. What the hell happened?
It was an aborted take-off and the pilot lost control from the drag chute not evenly deploying.
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I doubt that dragchute has something to do with this incident.
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Vladimir79 wrote:JohninMK wrote:Amazing how there is always a camera at these events now. What the hell happened?
It was an aborted take-off and the pilot lost control from the drag chute not evenly deploying.
Can't they stop the aircraft without the parachutes ? They always use them even for fighters.
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As far as I am concerned, Russian fighter aircraft are perfectly capable of stopping without the drag parachutes, but they use them to conserve the life of the tyres by reducing the usage of the wheel breaks. As for bombers, I'd say they are as necessary as reverse thrust on a commercial airliner.
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I don't know whether the Tu-22m has thrust reverse (I think it doesn't), but the drag chute works mainly instead of thrust reverse. You can't use brakes above some speeds: it is useless and you burn brakes. The problem here, I THINK, is a problem of acceleration, distances and deceleration/arrest. It happened something after V1 speed. But, after V1 speed you have to takeoff. So, what happened? Maybe incorrect V1 calculation in presence of a system (engine?) failure? V1 with a single engine. Maybe instrument read the wrong speed (scorost?), as they say, so wrong V1. Or the runway is too short for big aircrafts at MTOW. If the instrument read a wrong speed, so a wrong V1 (higher than correct V1), they abortet the takeoff too late.
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For the record, I never stated that the Tu-22m3 had reverse thrust, I was simply stating that the drag-chutes are just as important. As for the cause of the incident, I think it is clear that the aircraft had reached take of speeds and passed the point of no return, yet decided to abort all the same. Reasons for this could be anything from mechanical failure (Running off the runway and into the grass was preferable to taking a mechanically failing aircraft into the sky), Instrument failure, as has been mentioned before, and of course, human error. Which one it is, I am not sure.
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I didn't refer to you, I spoke in generally. Anyway, after V1, afaik, anyhow you have to takeoff. Because above V1 to overrun the runway is a mathematical certainty. To overrun runway isn't preferable after V1. Statistically, there are more incidents with aborting the take-off. They have been very lucky (and, I think, brave not to abandon the aircraft with ejection).
If the instrument pointed a speed lower than real, they aborted the takeoff with a real speed higher than the correct V1 speed, so they overran the runway.
If the instrument pointed a speed lower than real, they aborted the takeoff with a real speed higher than the correct V1 speed, so they overran the runway.
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Unusual viewpoint
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Looks like CGI, not a real pic. Both pilots are identical and in exact the same position, for example.JohninMK wrote:Unusual viewpoint
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DCS. https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/Svyatoslavich wrote:Looks like CGI, not a real pic. Both pilots are identical and in exact the same position, for example.JohninMK wrote:Unusual viewpoint
Forgivable, the simulator is looking mighty fine these days.
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Amazing!
Still this is real, a size comparison
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOSiL-rX4AE9ZQ0.jpg
Still this is real, a size comparison
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOSiL-rX4AE9ZQ0.jpg
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JohninMK wrote:Amazing!
Still this is real, a size comparison
Good one...haven't seen the 2 like that before
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JohninMK wrote:Amazing!
Still this is real, a size comparison
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOSiL-rX4AE9ZQ0.jpg
Cool pic. If you want to see a pic of it next to human lol. See post no. 128 page 6 of this thread lol.
I also have pics of Tu-95 on this forum
https://www.russiadefence.net/t3372-my-pics-and-vids
And if you're interested in North Korea
https://www.russiadefence.net/t4677-north-korean-dprk-trip
I have much more on Facebook just haven't got time to upload here. Currently have over 7,000 pics and 60+ videos of my travels.
Currently living in Kenya. On a 2 year self funded volunteer mission helping people in east africa
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I wanted to ask people's opinion on the rear mounted gun on the Tu-22M is worth having it now? Only use I can see is if it came across another enemy bomber which is highly unlikely. I thought maybe best just to remove it to save weight and it removes ammo sitting at rear of aircraft
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Actually the 23mm cannon has decoy rounds it can fire and its very high rate of fire would make it rather useful even against incoming missiles given the right circumstances.
The 23 x 115mm rounds have a chaff/Flare round that could be fired offset to where the bomber is to quickly set up an IR and radar reflective cluster of decoys in a short burst.
Equally the same gun can fire at a comparable rate to the Phalanx with a much heavier projectile though with lower velocity...
They didn't bother with the Blackjack and I doubt the PAK DA would have a gun but the latter likely will have air to air missiles for a defensive role of potentially shooting down missiles aimed at the aircraft.
The 23 x 115mm rounds have a chaff/Flare round that could be fired offset to where the bomber is to quickly set up an IR and radar reflective cluster of decoys in a short burst.
Equally the same gun can fire at a comparable rate to the Phalanx with a much heavier projectile though with lower velocity...
They didn't bother with the Blackjack and I doubt the PAK DA would have a gun but the latter likely will have air to air missiles for a defensive role of potentially shooting down missiles aimed at the aircraft.