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GarryB wrote:
I would not say Iran is friendly with Russia... they are not buddies or allies.
Friend or foe system is just what it is. Iran is obviously not a foe, then it is ...?
GarryB wrote:
A map centred at the Caspian Sea you have the Caspian sea countries... Russia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Turkmenistan, and Kazakhstan.
And all of them are good neighbours and partners to Russia. Starting from the beginning, how the Caspian claims of all of them have been solved several years ago.
GarryB wrote:
From Russian access to the Caspian Sea you would have to invade Iran and Iraq to get to Syria to then reach the Med...
Are you obsessed with invasion somehow, Garry ?
Can't they simple transport goods, like any other country is doing?
GarryB wrote:
Also the northern Med is the HATO organisation that has rather more ships than Africa and they are all hostile to Russian presence in what they will see as their backyard... but to get there you would need to go via the Black Sea... which can't include aircraft carriers.
Greece is a friendly country.
Cyprus is a friendly country.
Turkey is turning into at least neutral.
Italy is neutral.
The only hostile place in the Med basin would be occupied Gibraltar. Let's see how long it remain to be under occupation, shall we?
I am not sure if you are getting the European things from a proper perspective, my friend.
Only Brits, Poles, 404s and this small Baltic plankton are anti-Russian.
GarryB wrote:
They could cover the Med with Tu-22M3s in Syria and a few frigates in Tartus...
Sure they can. So is it an argument pushing a giant navy agenda, or against that ?
GarryB wrote:
And those are countries Russia will trade with and hopefully grow and develop their economies as well as Russia, but there is enormous potential to cut Russian access even to those regions... Erdogan is not going to be there foreever and his replacement might be a US tool.
Of course.
And both of us might die today.
What is the point to worry about the things you don't have any influence?
You think that Murica will implement some kind of ocean embargo on Russia ? Who gives a f*k? A country that connects the whole of Europe with Asia via land routes and railways ? How can they block a sea trade by Russia, who owns a NSR? What can they do against a sea route that runs in the exclusive economic zone of Russia, that starts at the Chinese border and ends up in Norway ? A country that has no guts to stop an Iranian tanker on route to Venezuela, will play goofy with a nuclear superpower? That can shadow a sea route all way long with its nuclear SSGNs ? Really
? GarryB wrote:
Not in the slightest... most Americans probably think Putin is a CZAR and was appointed by Yeltsin and no voting has taken place over the last 21 years.
Who cares the opinion of the people who believe in angels?
GarryB wrote:
Had that advice before... Russia does not need an army or navy or air force, and it does not need to make anything... you have oil and gas so just sell that and use that money to buy everything you need.
Not sure who gave you that advice, but it was not me
GarryB wrote:
Till oil prices collapse during attempts to damage the Russian economy.
The same collapse turned off the light for whole cracking business out there in Murica. Plus oil rigs in Scotland, Norway and all the friends they had. Including almost killing of Saudi Arabia and other satrapies in the Gulf they invested in for decades.
Are you sure that that was the plan?
GarryB wrote:
The west wants Russia to isolate itself and remain within its land borders so they can make easy money being an intermediary selling stuff on in both directions, and handling all the shipping trade.
There is hardly a thing called "west" in this terms buddy.
For the last 10 years, we have seen an increasing trade war between the US and EU. Now it turned quiet, as US boiled the water in the EU bringing migrant stuff on the table, so the EU has other things to worry about.
But the Obama times were a pure example of trade wars, with fiscal and financial punishments being put on competitive enterprises on both sides of the Atlantic.
"West" my ass
GarryB wrote:
As their oil and gas tanker fleet expand however they will need more ships to support them in the dangerous places of the world.
And this is a thing they are doing.
GarryB wrote:
Yup. A couple of different Corvette types are going ahead because Corvettes are not big enough to be really fully multirole so different conditions in five different fleets means you might need this type of corvette here and here but this other one would be more use here and here... so a couple of different Corvette types should be built, but frigates are big enough to be fully multirole so make one, get it working and then make some... use the design to work out an efficient scale up to make a destroyer sized boat and then a cruiser sized boat and just make them.
20380 series is fully capable of patrolling sea routes. They have almost 30 of them, both in line and under construction.
Hell, 22160 was made just for that purpose - inexpensive long-distance patrols. It has longer endurance than 22350.
They have 6 pcs of 11356, both in line and construction (once the engine problem is over).
22350 is running stable for years now.
They are to start 22350M soon.
LHDs, subs ... and still you want them to construct more?
It is insane.
Sure, they are way more effective than Muricans, but obvious things are obvious.
You can not afford a 50 destroyers fleet with 6th the world economy. You can not afford a 12 cruisers fleet.
Actually, the fact that they still have 3rd biggest fleet on the planet, and expanding it both in numbers and technical capibilities, is proof of outstanding management skills.
To put things with a proper perspective: we talk about a 300 vessels fleet. That is 4x the size of Royal Navy, 3x the size of Marine Nationale, 5x the size of Kriegsmarine.
Still not impressed, right?
GarryB wrote:
And yet they continue to try by destroying the economies of countries on a whim that try to trade with Russia.
Russia needs a method of defending its trade access that does not require the use of nuclear weapons.
You are witnessing this right now, with Russian gas and oil potential, especially NS2.
Is Russia capable of defending its export, in both a political and military manner?
