You're missing the point. This is not about economy. If anything, Russian companies had found a lot of red tape for investing in the country during Nazarbayevs reign. We will see if anything will change with Tokayev. It should, as Russians, basically, saved his bacon.
This thread is in the section of Russia and is about the civil aviation sector in Russia... in that context Russia has found itself with a massively under funded civilian aviation sector which extends into the military transport and and airliner based aircraft like Elint and jammer etc etc types.
Being cut off from western types the Russian airlines need to get rid of the leased western types they operate and use the Russian types they were using and buy as many new Russian types that can be made available.
The fact that the Tu-204 and Tu-214 are not super competitive with western types because EU airspace is closed to Russian airlines and Russian airspace is closed to EU airlines presumably too.
Having not so efficient planes is not important for now.
Over time the super jet and MS-21 production will catch up with demand so the less efficient types rushed into airline service can be relegated to cargo and other duties where they are better suited as more new planes are built to replace them.
The performance of the Tupolevs could be enhanced with new engines too eventually to make them more profitable too... but the Russian military needs new aircraft too, and in quite a few areas, for which Tu-204s would be just fine, and some Tu-330 transports would be very very useful too.
Scorpious seems to think there is plenty of unused production capacity in Russia and I fully agree they should attempt to get that working at capacity first before building any new factories anywhere.
I would say the AN-124 factory should be converted to start making Il-106 prototypes ready for production when the engines can be delivered.
I would say the factory that was making the AN-140s that they are not making any more could make those Let-610 modifications instead.
And I think the Il-476 should be a popular aircraft world wide as a 60 ton payload aircraft it should be bought world wide in large numbers and if they eventually do make the Il-276 based on the same design but shorter and smaller wings and two of the same engines then the world potential market will be rather big too to replace the An-12s of the world.
Production capacity for either of these two means you can vary production rates depending on need, but for a start I would think the An-12s really need to start to be retired so Il-276s should be a priority too and the Russian version of the Let-610 replacing old Antonovs would also be a priority too.
Two biggest oil fields, Tengiz and Kashagan, were developed by western companies. Russians never got a chance to work there. You can check that easily.
Nazarbayev, during his reign, tried to wean the country as far as possible from Russia, because country had very big Russian diaspora. He moved capital from Alma Ata (now Almaty) to newly built Astana in order to change demographics of the north Kazakhstan, which was heavily Russian. While doing that, he was heavily promoting Turkic identity with the help of Turkey, of course.
Growing nationalism in Kazakhstan is a problem, and countries even had a period of pretty cold relationship in 2013. Russian minority is being marginalized since independence.
Well with all that being the case then Russia needs to work with the new leader to make sure this BS is reversed... perhaps move the capital city back, or give in to the inevidable and split the country along ethnic lines via referendum....
If the Russian minority was important in certain sectors of their society perhaps take measures to attract them back to Russia... maybe build a city inside Russia with all new housing and infrastructure and a few large companies/industries that generate lots of jobs for skilled labour and offer them a free house and good job and Russian citizenship to attract them back to Russia.
Either way Kazakhstan is not going anywhere and building good trade relations with them makes sense for Russia.
If they stepped in to help the current leader it suggests they are interested in keeping the place friendly, and saving a government from being overthrown is always a good thing for good will moving forward.
I have no preconceived idea what is "best" ....
in this case this looks like a pragmatic solution that makes best use of the resources available at the time
from the evidence I have seen - it looks the best solution
The source you provide says they will essentially complete the planes they have started but really that says nothing about the future of those factories... a contract to clear the existing airframes is a necessary first step to resuming and increasing production for new contracts with new customers... presumably the Russian airlines or perhaps UAC itself will make the planes and then lease them out to the Russian airlines that want them... it is all unknown.
There has be a shift for the Russian civilian Aviation industry... previously most Russian airlines would only buy token Russian aircraft and a few other airlines internationally with bad relations with the west would buy Russian aircraft.... this lack of production and lack of orders makes their planes more expensive than they might be if they were producing in larger volumes for lots of customers.
The conflict in the Ukraine has changed Russian relations with the west and now the Russian CAI are going to have to increase production volume and quality to meet the very different new needs of the Russian airlines and other international airlines unable to source western aircraft for whatever reason.
At the same time the Russian military are rapidly approaching a phase where they have a large number of aircraft that they really need to replace quite urgently, which include former airliner types.
you display a definite circular logic in most of your comments about other people's posts
you have very strong pre-conceived ideas of what you think is the right answer
I disagree. I am open to what others have to say... several knowledgable members have mentioned Russian civil aviation production capacity that is not being used... I started suggesting aircraft making factories in the stans to help boost production capacity but now I think Russian production capacity should be filled with orders first and factories outside Russia should perhaps focus on servicing and support.
and you go dredging up "evidence" backwards to support your pre-conceived conclusion - no matter how obscure the source or illogical
re Tu-214 etc
my position on all these subjects is always the same
if you are going it alone ... and in effect de-globalise to a large extent ... which is what they are really doing
then you have to concentrate your resources and avoid too many different aircraft and engines ... you need focus
you only have so much capital to invest .... and engineers
Yes, you said that.... and the Germans agreed with you... why make Panzer 4 tanks which were adequate but not amazing when you could make Panthers and Tigers... but the obvious problem is that they stopped making Panzer IVs and focussed on Panzer Vs and the troops in the field got nothing becuase the panzer fours stopped comming and the Panthers still weren't quite right yet.
My point is that if you have different things in production then just keep making them... stopping making Tu-204s and Tu-214s wont make any difference in how fast Super Jets and MS-21s can be made... the difference is that Russian airlines will be getting Super Jets and MS-21s but they wont be getting Tu-204s or Tu-214s which could fill gaps left by Boeings and Airbusses.
They have production facilities for different engines right now... not making some planes that use different engines means the engine makers that make engines for the Tupolevs have no reason to make those engines so you have aircraft and engine making factories sitting idle... they already have those aircraft and those engines in service so stopping their production wont simplify anything they still need to be supported and maintained and spare parts need to be made.
eg your comments about the Il-114 and Il-112 .... and the "proven" need for 2x designs is just nonsense
the most popular turboprops in the world are high wing ATR, Dash-8 .... An-24
Russia has a variety of locations and organisations that need aircraft... right now they need Russian aircraft because aircraft from the west are going to become hard to support and almost impossible to get spare parts for.
The Il-112 and Il-114 are relatively new designs they need to replace a range of different Russian and Soviet and foreign types.
The Il-112 has a high wing. The Il-114 has a low wing.
Sounds like they have both options covered.
The AN-24/5/6 they are replacing are in urgent need of replacing.
it would definitely have been in Russia's best interests to have 1x turboprop platform with a high wing
( if they had more time I am sure they would have gone that way - but they don't)
If that were so they could easily cancel the Il-114, but it seems they haven't.
same re your comments of the Tu-330 vs IL-276 lift capacity differences
you claim the difference between them is that the Tu-330 has more powerful PS-90s than the other ?
that's absurd ..... why not then put the more powerful engine on the Il-276 too ?
You do understand there are several versions of the PS-90 engine?
The Il-276 uses the same engines as the Il-476, which is part of the commonality and it was designed to carry a 20 ton payload... that was the design specs...
Putting rather more powerful engines would change the design... like putting a V8 engine in a Mini... how would making it loud and expensive to run improve the performance of what is supposed to be a shopping trolley?
re Tupolev
I suggested that a better investment case for the Tu-330 could be made around the increasing use of fuel efficient XL diameter turbofan
engines on domestic airliners
and we may well see a switch to high wing airliners to bet fit these new engines
and a good case could be developed for a dual use high wing design - 1x transport 1x airliner
ie why slavishly follow what the "west" is doing ?
What is holding back most new Russian aircraft designs seems to be engines, their new PD series of modular scalable engines seems like a rather brilliant idea but it takes years to develop fundamentally new engine designs... and some of them are almost ready.
But right now Russian airlines have leased western aircraft they can't really use so they need planes fast... stopping production of some aircraft that wont speed up the production of the new aircraft they are making is not helping the problem which is the need for lots of all Russian airliners and cargo planes.
What I have been doing is looking at their current production capacity and also taking into account what their military is going to be needing over the next few years to expand production as much as possible without creating lots of white elephant factories that work for 5 years and then never work again because there are too many factories now.
what do you do ?
.... go on about Tu-214 ELINTS or some other stuff .... that had nothing at all to do with what I said
because what I said was something that you had never considered before ....
You do understand that when I post ideas and suggestions they are not all directed at you personally.
The factors involved in what aircraft they produce is affected by Russias military needs too because traditionally the military sector of a country subsidises their civilian aviation industry through orders for aircraft when airlines are not biting as an extra income for the factories making the planes... the American air forces inflight refuelling fleet is a case in point.
you had already made up your mind what was best
.... circular logic
Not circular at all... if you had said the factory making Tu-204s is being rejiggered to make MS-21s and the factory making Tu-214s was being rejiggered to make Super jets, then it would make no sense to talk about Tu-330s, and the Russian military would have to look to other airliner types to move forward with the various types they have to replace that they still operate.
But instead it sounds like there is an An-140 or An-148 factory doing nothing and an AN-124 factory doing bugger all as well, and Il-476 factories that are not being funded properly or there are other problems slowing down production that need to be sorted because Russia could do with a lot of the Il-476s and also Il-276s which they are going to need urgently too very shortly.
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