Project 885: Yasen class #2

Where is this Yasen M?

Hole wrote:
What morons.
This is called "Freedom of Navigation", you suc...rs.

It would have been sort of funny to watch if the Russkie just surfaced and steam full ahead to Havana

It will be interesting if, despite the enormous effort the US puts into detecting Kazan, they fail to do so. Which is very likely. This will only confirm how advanced and silent these submarines are, swimming around unnoticed under the very nose of the United States. This also shows that it is impossible to detect and track the new Russian 955A SSBN, which are of the same generation as the 885M submarine.

June 2024, K-564 Arkhangelsk, Izd.885M (08851), S/n 164 in Severodvinsk to start sea trials

I wouldn't say impossible, but certainly very very difficult.

It is amusing because the US takes great pride in its navy and when Russia announced this visit the Americans made a lot of snide remarks about how such a visit would be a real test for the Russian Navy capabilities...

The main problem with making big claims is having to back them up.

I suspect they will claim they detected and tracked the Russian sub all the way... it is not like they have to provide any proof at all.

It would have been sort of funny to watch if the Russkie just surfaced and steam full ahead to Havana

According to some it was on the surface a lot.
I doubt that they use the "very quiet mode" iuring that business trip.

The fifth submarine of the 885/885M series has started sea trials.

Is there any information regarding the number of torpedoes carried by the 885M submarine? Yasen M has as many as 10 torpedo hatches. I found information that it carries about 30 torpedoes, but that's probably speculation. This would be quite little since even the smaller 971 carries 40 of them.

Next year there will be a keel for the ninth 885/885M. I expected that they would start building two more Yasen M units this year. The question is whether it will end with 9 units. You need at least 15 Yasen. Russia has a lot of money these days. The construction of further Yasen M ships should not pose financial problems.

Arrow wrote:Next year there will be a keel for the ninth 885/885M. I expected that they would start building two more Yasen M units this year. The question is whether it will end with 9 units. You need at least 15 Yasen. Russia has a lot of money these days. The construction of further Yasen M ships should not pose financial problems.

More Yasen-M would be most welcome, but I wonder how close Russia is to laying down the first hull of the successor design?

lancelot wrote:They will build at least a dozen Yasen/Yasen-M. Enough to replace all the Oscar submarines.

These are the plans. Russia currently has no financial problems, so there should be no problems with building the 12 Yasen/Yasen-M series. These ships are to replace the 949A but also the 971. Their role is SSGN and SSN, i.e. ASW operations. Currently, it is the most advanced nuclear attack submarine in the world, so they do not have to rush to the next generation. It is true that the Husky is intended to be a complement to the Yasen M, more for ASW operations. It is to be smaller and will carry fewer cruise missiles. This will probably be the first 5th generation ship in the world. However, I think that the keel will be laid only in the next decade. They can even increase the amount of Yasen M to even more.

USA increases the size of its Virginia SSN block V will be longer to carry 40 Tomahowk in VLS. Only Block V will equal the Yasen M in terms of the number of missiles it can carry, obviously much worse than the P-800 and 3M22 and Kalibr with a range of 4,500 km. Virginia VMP is about $4 billion and Columbia will be about $10 billion. Yasen M, probably around USD 1 billion? That's 4 Yasen M's for the price of one new Virginia. The prices of Borey-A do not even compare with Columbia.

Arrow wrote:Is there any information regarding the number of torpedoes carried by the 885M submarine? Yasen M has as many as 10 torpedo hatches. I found information that it carries about 30 torpedoes, but that's probably speculation. This would be quite little since even the smaller 971 carries 40 of them.

In theory it should be able to carry at least 40 torpedoes in the torpedo room and the tubes.

Well, they often give 30 pieces. Which is strange, because 971 or 945 already had 40 and over 40 pieces of torpedoes. Yasen M no longer has 650mm torpedoes, so there is even more space and the ship itself is also larger. The question is, do they also serve torpedoes in torpedo ports in the 971 etc.? Are they in the ports all the time? Or only during combat operations, exercises?

I doubt that it is always fully laden but obviously not impossible. To keep submariners from boredom they do regular practice exercises - but not only that. It's a relatively confined space and each sailor needs to know exactly what his task is.

Being fully laden is much less important than a well trained crew. There is no space for chaos!

Live stream od Combat Approved with Kazan visit at Cuba.

Lot's of interesting things - and as always, from the background.
Like training missile attack with Onix missile system.
Missiles released from 100m depth.
3 missiles per target identified as 3 x Arleigh Burke class.
Kazan makes an evasive maneuver after diving at ... 510m.

"We'll go through the American Patrols, we'll pass their sonar nets, we'll leave their biggest city and we'll listen to rock and roll while we do missile drills, and when we're done the only sound they'll hear will be our laughter and then we'll sail to Havana"

Please, and it happened

An impressive ship. A masterpiece of modern engineering.

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This is probably beyond the range of US submarines.

The Russians have two maximum immersion depths in their ships. The working depth is the highest where they can dive regularly, and the test depth where they can safely dive but only for a certain number of diving cycles, this is probably more tiring for the hull. For example, project 971 had a working depth of almost 500m and a test depth of over 600-650m.
Project 885/885M is described as a test depth of 600m but it is probably more. The 971s already had a steel equivalent of Hy-130. Meanwhile, Seawolf had Hy-100 and 688. HY-80 and probably Virginia had Hy-80 or possibly HY-100.

Relax, they will make a movie "Deep dive" where they will convince a regular Bud Light sucker that it can dive double the Russkie. It will work as usual

When you only care about the propaganda war then with Hollywood behind you... you never lose...

The launch of the P 800 from a depth of 100m is surprising. Previously, it was always given as around 50 meters or less. I wonder what the maximum depth really is...