The Situation in the Ukraine. #29

CNN Breaking News: Russian troops invading Ukraine!

One of the stipulations by the US for Ukraine being recognized as a country was that it had to remove the Soviet nukes on its soil. Ukraine had no launch codes for the nukes on its soil so it was never a nuclear power.

This kind of crazy talk probably isn't going over very well in Europe. If they think this lunacy is strengthening their case, they'd be mistaken.

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. The middle class and poor working class is suffering. Russian culture is declining. When I went to Russia 2 years ago my cousins were very anti Putin and listening to garbage rap music. Lots of young kids with tattoos

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kvs wrote:

zorobabel wrote:

flamming_python wrote:The Ukraine is no 'staging ground'

Staging ground for what? For showing Russian citizens what a cesspool they can become by adopting ethno-nationalism and becoming a NATO/EU client state? Not to mention showing the people of Belarus and other countries.
Well on that ground it's actually serving Russia well just as it is.

Ukraine would be valuable for the West if they managed to turn it into a success story. They didn't. Now it's just a deadweight and Russia should be glad that the West is stuck with it.

I don't think you understand much about the West (especially the EU), its neoliberal economics, or its strategic aims.

Your assumption is that for Ukraine to be a success story for the West, the country itself must be a success. That is wrong. The West cares nothing about Ukraine, its people, or its economic development.

Firstly and most crucially, Ukraine is a source of cheap labor, of which there is a critical shortage in western EU states. Like the exodus 3 million Poles into western Europe, free movement with Ukraine will be a massive economic boon to the EU. And like Poles, Ukrainians are white Christians and as such are less politically contentious than brown and black Muslims. 5 million Ukrainians in western Europe is like a Soros fantasy.

Secondly, Ukraine is no kind of money pit for the West. It's more like a casino, and it's one of the easiest ways for Western politicians to legally launder money. Tax citizens -> "spend" in Ukraine -> receive back as bribes, gifts, etc. from sycophant Ukrainian politicians (see Hunter Biden scandal, for example). If the locals keep a bit for themselves, no biggie. And all the aid they give will eventually end up either mostly in their own pockets, or will go to subsidizing domestic industries.

Depopulated, de-industrialized, major parts of its economy controlled by Western investors, Ukraine may achieve some kind of level of development 30-40 years down the road like Poland. The idea that the West wants to turn Ukraine into a success to sway the people the opinions of the Russian people is propaganda from Western institutions and has nothing to do with their real intentions.

Your analysis is missing some critical facts:

1) It is a fail for the EU and NATzO that Ukraine is now a failed state with an imploding economy.   The whole
shtick of the west is to pimp itself as the land of milk and honey that others can only dream about.   So,
by definition, it cannot extract propaganda value from miserable failures like Ukraine.

2) The economic value of Ukraine to the EU is marginal.   The EU has more than enough cheap labour
so this cannot be some sort of windfall.   Ukraine has no useful resources other than its soil.   This is
especially true since the Donbass contains the coal deposits and non-conventional oil deposits.  

3) Even if you fob off Ukraine as a sink of money for NATzO, it still is a sink.   Banana republics have
value because United Fruit style companies can harvest from their plantations using basically slave labour
to export commodities to the capitalist motherland.    Where are there any substantial operations of this
sort in Ukraine?   WTF does Ukraine export?   Ukraine needs IMF loans to operate and even these loans
are being stolen faster than they are dished out.   If NATzO plans to have Ukraine as a member then
it desperately needs to fix its economy.

I think my points still stand in light of what you say. The EU definitely does not have more than enough cheap labour. Only first generation migrants want to do the kind of work that Soros and friends need their slaves for.

I'm gonna break with Putin on his counter sanctions policy. It's not nearly enough. The only time he threw the hammer down hard was the EU agriculture sanctions. Those sanctions had some serious short term pain for Russia too but he still did it. Ever since its been far too weak. And its totally untrue that Russia has no sanctions power. Boeing is on the ropes yet again with new 737 and 777 problems. Ban titanium exports to the US. Or at least put a levy on it. Boeings titanium infrastructure is tied up with Russia. Of course they will find work arounds eventually. But it would be a huge pain in the ass and it would hit the US like the ag sanctions hit Europe.

Double the over flight fees for US airlines. Do something ! There are lots of ideas out there.

Most of US sanctions against Russia are garbage anyway and amount to little. Do Russia could go to the extreme, but it also means they lose another good card to play with.

miketheterrible wrote:Most of US sanctions against Russia are garbage anyway and amount to little. Do Russia could go to the extreme, but it also means they lose another good card to play with.

Exactly. US has been trying to bully Russia with half arsed measures that have only reinforced the country, Russia should retaliate in full force only when it really screws the US at a critical moment and not allow being dragged to further cooperate in the agenda of escalating tensions which in the end is the goal of the US elites.

lyle6 wrote:Ukraine is considering arming itself with nuclear weapons should the eastern European country not become a member of NATO, its ambassador to Germany says....

I say they should go for it

They will either screw up and waste loads of cash or they will come close to doing something in the ballpark so Russia will bomb the shit out of the facility and then compare notes with Bengie in Tel Aviv

Win win situation for everyone

auslander wrote:

PapaDragon wrote: Last time I checked I was not GarryB

Yeah, you're prettier than he is.

Thanks  

Secret is Nivea hair creme

It gives your hair that wet sexy look without making it all rigid like regular hair gel does (plus it nourishes your scalp and protects hair from the elements)  

Apparently these new Russian debt sanctions only ban primary investors and not secondary so it's almost literally nothing. At least according to this guy
https://twitter.com/bneeditor/status/1382821085729730566?s=19

Kiev accuses Russia of closing Black Sea strait to its warships, blocking Ukrainian navy from port while sailors carry out drills.

In a statement issued on Thursday, Kiev’s diplomats said that Russia has “announced the closure of a part of the Black Sea in the direction of the Kerch Strait for warships and vessels of foreign governments from next week until October 2021.”

https://www.rt.com/russia/521167-kiev-accuse-block-black-sea/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Backman wrote:Apparently these new Russian debt sanctions only ban primary investors and not secondary so it's almost literally nothing. At least according to this guy
https://twitter.com/bneeditor/status/1382821085729730566?s=19

Ben Aris is not just some guy, he is pretty knowledgeable about this stuff

Hole wrote:CNN Breaking News: Russian troops invading Ukraine!

They brought ought the weaponized marching band....HOW COULD THEY?!?!?!

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Hole wrote:CNN Breaking News: Russian troops invading Ukraine!
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They brought ought the weaponized marching band....HOW COULD THEY?!?!?!

Well honestly just the content of Victory Day parade is enough to tear through entire 404 military stationed in Donbass if they start from right angle...

"Turkish Service Members Spotted In Ukraine’s Mariupol – Report"


https://southfront.org/turkish-service-members-spotted-in-ukraines-mariupol/

Russia should just shoot down one Turkish drone that's hanging around within reach. Just to deflate all of this annoying hype. Nobody would die. It wouldn't be an incident.

Turkey needs a firm kick in the nuts just for being there.

Turkish Mercs. Ukraine will use anyone with some remote experience. Even if the guys with experience are those who barely survived Russian bombings.

Turkish TB2 drones wrecked havoc in Artsakh but this time around they will have difficulty in Donbas which is in far better situation than Artsakh.

PapaDragon wrote:

PapaDragon wrote: Last time I checked I was not GarryB

Yeah, you're prettier than he is.

Thanks   Secret is Nivea hair creme

It gives your hair that wet sexy look without making it all rigid like regular hair gel does (plus it nourishes your scalp and protects hair from the elements)   [/quote]

Stuff wouldn't do me any good, so little hair on the dome that yesterday a fly landed up there and slipped off. Screams were heartrending as he crashed to the ground. However, I make up for no hair by being swave and deboner.

Kerch Straights, Sea of Azov and parts of Black Sea are closed to all military traffic except Russian Black Sea Flot. Commercial channel through Straits and Azov are open but only to civilian vessels and the usual passage controls are in effect, inspection and permission to enter straights by assigned position in the stream, in and out. Russian Coast Guard is controlling the passages with Flot close by.

Just a gentle reminder, no doubt over a cup of coffee   of who is boss and how fragile life is if you were to get in the way. The next time they exit a port, regardless of their orders, no doubt they will turn sharply to starboard and stay within sight of the shore.

Not seen the map before. Assume pink areas are those under RuN direct control of passage. I find the water depths interesting, not many places for deep water ports hence the Chinese interest before 2014. Now they are using Greece/Venice instead. Real Ukraine **** up losing all that transit traffic.

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Last night, 5 ships of the Russian Border Coast Guard of the Border Service in the Sea of ​​Azov, carried out coordinated maneuvers against 3  MBAK (Gurza-M type) of the Ukrainian Navy, in the Sea of ​​Azov

The night  was "hot", as the 5 FSB boats performed coordinated challenging maneuvers against the 3 Ukrainian MBAK.

The Ukranian sailors have been  warned for readiness to use weapons but finally they returned. The incident took place at 25 miles from the Strait of Kerch.

Utter madness if true, sounds like Kiev hallucinating to me.

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Israel to Help Ukraine Field Nuclear Weapons if NATO Membership Blocked by Biden - by VT Editors
https://veteranstoday.com/2021/04/15/isr

More strangeness. Someone not expecting a blow up anytime soon.

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A group of military instructors from the United States arrived at the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) located in the Donbass, said the official representative of the defense department of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) on April 15

Ukraine would never get nukes. Israel has air launch nukes so that would be best Ukraine would get. And it would be breaking every international law of that happened. So Russia would actually be given the A OK to hit the site of where the nukes be stored.

I can see a lot of people are actually getting fooled by this fake news though.  Ukraine BS sure works on the feeble minded.

I recall during 2014 Ukraine said they would obtain Nukes to counter Russia. And 2016. So this is usual Ukraine huff and puff

I’ll show Gary b my Russian passport just to appease your mental gymnastics.

No need for that, I can see your location fine enough and it is not 404.

Yeah, you're prettier than he is.

Not fair... the time difference means you see me when I first get up... you can't deny my rugged charm for an ugly fat bastard...

But PD is a pretty boy...

I wonder how butthurt you and everyone else will be when I prove that I’m a real Russian.

Couldn't give a shit... Navalny and Yeltsin are Russia too... FP is Russian and you show him no respect at all.

If they had mental gymnastics at the olympics you would would have more gold medals than Michael Phelps.

And after I apologised for such a long post you chose to repeat it in its entirety to make a one paragraph reply... did you read Johns post about first impressions?

Glad to see you read his previous one about introductions...

You try to spin it off like some kind magical 4d chess that Putin is playing.

Hahaha... no, that is American telling everyone that Putin forced the tie eater to invade South Ossetia... it was a trap and all the dead and destroyed was Putins fault... anything bad the US did is covered too because he has been rigging western elections since the 17th century... he is a tricky bastard... 4D chess is impressive on its own but magical 4D chess is another level.... 5D chess.

When I went to Russia 2 years ago my cousins were very anti Putin and listening to garbage rap music.

I think I have found your problem... white boys listening to rap... maybe you can save them and take them to America and write rap music and become big multimillionaire super stars... or the first black person they see they say something inappropriate and get shot... either way it is a solution to their problems.... solutions don't come to you.

The health care is going to shit and yes it is worse than American health care by a lot. You can’t survive on Russian welfare. It’s a joke.

So your problem with Putin is that Russia is becoming more and more like the US... but that is Putins fault.... Riiiight.

Ukraine is considering arming itself with nuclear weapons should the eastern European country not become a member of NATO, its ambassador to Germany says.

No problem... in fact very good idea... Russia even has a delivery service...

I'm gonna break with Putin on his counter sanctions policy. It's not nearly enough.

Putin is not perfect, but he is no fool, and when pushed there are limits to how and what he can push back with that wont turn around and bite Russia in the ass.

It gives your hair that wet sexy look without making it all rigid like regular hair gel does (plus it nourishes your scalp and protects hair from the elements)

Teasing the bald guy... thanks... just like that hair gel... rub it in why don't ya...

Israel to Help Ukraine Field Nuclear Weapons if NATO Membership Blocked by Biden - by VT Editors

Russia to help Iran field Nuclear weapons if Ukraine gets some.

Yeah, I would not take that tweet seriously.

of course, lets say it is true, then the Russians would, in reality, have zero choices but to invade.

Ukraine getting nukes would be far too dangerous to allow happen.