SFR Yugoslavia discussion

Much like Yugoslavia

It is true that Gorbachev and Yeltsin loved their new found "friends" in the West.

Didn't take too long for the Russians to realize it was all fake, but yes then it was a bit late for the USSR.

The brake up of the USSR was a colossal mistake - nothing you can do about that.

But to think it was US victory is just plain arrogance.

Mir wrote:Much like Yugoslavia

Had that turd been any good it wouldn't have ended up the way it did

When you build a house on shit you will inevitably wake up one day covered in it

Mir wrote:But to think it was US victory is just plain arrogance.

Thinking that it was US victory really is arrogance... for those opposing the US

It wasn't a victory, it was majestic triumph, they beaten their enemies into non-existence through sheer and overwhelmed superiority n all fronts

Simply existing was enough for USA to annihilate USSR without firing a shot

USSR destroyed itself.

Just like it's happening for EU and soon USA.

Big empires have only one end... self destruction. Happens sooner or later.

PapaDragon wrote:

Mir wrote:But to think it was US victory is just plain arrogance.

Thinking that it was US victory really is arrogance... for those opposing the US

It wasn't a victory, it was majestic triumph, they beaten their enemies into non-existence through sheer and overwhelmed superiority n all fronts

Simply existing was enough for USA to annihilate USSR without firing a shot

As a Serb I find your comments quite surprising in that NATO deliberately broke Yugoslavia apart to weaken it. Everything else that preceded that conflict and everything that followed was just BS.
Much the same goes for Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, North Korea , Iran , Venezuela and whomever THEY decide to target next.

If the USSR was still around today - NONE of the above would have happened.

Mir wrote:...As a Serb I find your comments quite surprising in that NATO deliberately broke Yugoslavia apart to weaken it. Everything else that preceded that conflict and everything that followed was just BS.. ...

Don't try to lecture me about my own history especially one I was seeing happen with my own eyes

Yugoslavia was not Serbian nation, it was a communist construct built on leeching off and suppressing Serbs

And it went to shit (as planned) because denazification was intentionally not implemented since it would be bad news for non-Serbs

Mir wrote:...If the USSR was still around today - NONE of the above would have happened.

USSR is what organized the whole thing back in the 40's (and went to shit due to same reasons among others)

And they were around for plenty of other things but still they happened and USSR wasn't able (nor wanted) to do jack shit about it

F*ck USSR, pussies can't be kings especially commie pussies

PapaDragon wrote:

Don't try to lecture me about my own history especially one I was seeing happen with my own eyes

Then stop talking shite about the USSR's history.

Mir wrote:As a Serb I find your comments quite surprising in that NATO deliberately broke Yugoslavia apart to weaken it.

So you're a Serb now? Till last week you were African. Getting a Serbian citizenship must be real easy then.

Mir wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Don't try to lecture me about my own history especially one I was seeing happen with my own eyes

Then stop talking shite about the USSR's history.

USSR is dead, decomposed and gone

I can talk whatever I want about it and post sources to back it up because it's well documented history

You don't know shit about Serbian history so do STFU

I think Mir is referring to papa being a Serb, not himself…

PapaDragon wrote:

Mir wrote:...As a Serb I find your comments quite surprising in that NATO deliberately broke Yugoslavia apart to weaken it. Everything else that preceded that conflict and everything that followed was just BS.. ...

Don't try to lecture me about my own history especially one I was seeing happen with my own eyes

Yugoslavia was not Serbian nation, it was a communist construct built on leeching off and suppressing Serbs

And it went to shit (as planned) because denazification was intentionally not implemented since it would be bad news for non-Serbs

Mir wrote:...If the USSR was still around today - NONE of the above would have happened.

USSR is what organized the whole thing back in the 40's (and went to shit due to same reasons among others)

And they were around for plenty of other things but still they happened and USSR wasn't able (nor wanted) to do jack shit about it

F*ck USSR, pussies can't be kings especially commie pussies

Based and truthpilled.

RTN wrote:

I see the CIA is tracking me now!

PapaDragon wrote:

Mir wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Don't try to lecture me about my own history especially one I was seeing happen with my own eyes

Then stop talking shite about the USSR's history.

I can talk whatever I want about it and post sources to back it up because it's well documented history

You don't know shit about Serbian history so do STFU

Then I suppose can do the same if that's ok with you?

I'll give you a very brief history of modern day Yugoslavia anyway:

In 1963 the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was born under the dictatorship of  Tito.
Tito rejected Stalin's and his policy and surprisingly both Tito and Yugoslavia survived.  
The country had good relations with both the East and the West and was relatively prosperous and peaceful.

Long before the Socialist Federal Republic, Yugoslavia was known for ethnic troubles.
Tito died in 1980 and immediately ethnic troubles flared up again, which in the end resulted in the NATO excuse to attack in the 90's.
Yugoslavia seized to exist. NATO was very happy.

People with very funny sounding names for us Westerners were put on trail in a court that was financially sponsored by NATO
No people with Anglo Saxon sounding names were ever put on trail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavia

Mir wrote:In 1963 the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was born......

Okay chief

PapaDragon wrote:

Mir wrote:In 1963 the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was born......

Okay chief

The claim about the USSR organizing Yugoslavia is pure BS.   Yugoslavia formed before WWII without any communism involved.   After
the ware Josip Broz Tito (a Croat-Slovene) was openly hostile to the USSR and resisted any association with the Warsaw Pact.   This is
where the non-aligned "movement" came from.   Yugoslavia remained outside of the USSR orbit until the breakup of the USSR.   Yugoslavia
was never a communist country like the USSR.   Whatever socio-economic model it had was not Soviet.   Tito is the clown that enabled
the criminal squatting of Kosovo i Metohija by Albanians who moved there en masse during and after WWII from Albania.   During the
war they participated in the ethnic cleansing of the Serb population in the province.   Tito even prevented Serb refugees returning to
the province. Albanians claim ownership of the whole region and not just this province based on the semi-mythical Illyrians.   Roman
accounts of these Illyrians demonstrate that they were nomadic since the would disappear completely between the intervals of visitation
to the Balkan coast by the Romans.    There is actually more evidence that Albanians have nothing in common with Illyrians and are
migrants from the Caucuses who settled there during the Ottoman occupation period.   So we have yet another fake nationalism like the
FYROMian and Ukr one. Croats are also fecked in the head and claim to be Germanic.

GarryB wrote:

Yugoslavia was not Serbian nation, it was a communist construct built on leeching off and suppressing Serbs

You mean like the Soviet Union was the frayed and worn out bits that Russia had to dislodge to make any meaningful progress and headway...

Now that Serbia is free you will show them how to do everything right... as pointed out Tito was controlled by Stalin the same way he wasn't controlled by the west so complaining that the Russians didn't defend Serbia against HATO is amusing... you should be thankful that HATO showed its true colours to prevent pro democracy idiots from worshipping them, and Russia is not communist any more so had no obligation to protect Serbia despite what individual Russian politicians might have said.

By the way I look forward to see you back tracking on bagging communists when your new chinese overlords arrive and kick the Americans out of Serbia when everyone stops accepting their fake money...

Even if you are being sarcastic, I need to point out that Stalin never controlled Tito. Tito made a point out of resisting Stalin and the USSR.
Anyone pushing the line that Tito's Yugoslavia was a Soviet project is a revisionist liar or repeating revisionist lies.

kvs wrote:

GarryB wrote:

Yugoslavia was not Serbian nation, it was a communist construct built on leeching off and suppressing Serbs

You mean like the Soviet Union was the frayed and worn out bits that Russia had to dislodge to make any meaningful progress and headway...

Now that Serbia is free you will show them how to do everything right... as pointed out Tito was controlled by Stalin the same way he wasn't controlled by the west so complaining that the Russians didn't defend Serbia against HATO is amusing... you should be thankful that HATO showed its true colours to prevent pro democracy idiots from worshipping them, and Russia is not communist any more so had no obligation to protect Serbia despite what individual Russian politicians might have said.

By the way I look forward to see you back tracking on bagging communists when your new chinese overlords arrive and kick the Americans out of Serbia when everyone stops accepting their fake money...

Even if you are being sarcastic, I need to point out that Stalin never controlled Tito.   Tito made a point out of resisting Stalin and the USSR.  
Anyone pushing the line that Tito's Yugoslavia was a Soviet project is a revisionist liar or repeating revisionist lies.

Yes absolutely! Unlike Mao, Tito was no Stalinist and followed his own route.

Yes mighty post-communist Serbia, at last free from all the leeches that smooched off it

And co-incidentally, now completely surrounded by a military alliance that bombed it, no longer capable of charting an independent path of development, and detached from some of its core territories that have been part of it for centuries.

Actually everyone in the region lost from this new arrangement. And everyone in the region is too stupid to realize it.

Was talking to an Albanian over on Quora the other day. He was telling me about Serbian chauvinism. I'm sure every country there has enough stories about each other's chauvinists.

I'm not sure Russia can talk of course. We have the same situation with the Ukraine. But that we can handle at the very least.
In Yugoslavia's case, the decisions taken on every side amounted to mass-suicide. Now most of them are just powerless peons of Brussels and will steadily fade away as nation-states.

kvs wrote:The claim about the USSR organizing Yugoslavia is pure BS.   Yugoslavia formed before WWII without any communism involved.   After
the ware Josip Broz Tito (a Croat-Slovene) was openly hostile to the USSR and resisted any association with the Warsaw Pact.   This is
where the non-aligned "movement" came from.   Yugoslavia remained outside of the USSR orbit until the breakup of the USSR.   Yugoslavia
was never a communist country like the USSR.   Whatever socio-economic model it had was not Soviet.   Tito is the clown that enabled
the criminal squatting of Kosovo i Metohija by Albanians who moved there en masse during and after WWII from Albania.   During the
war they participated in the ethnic cleansing of the Serb population in the province.   Tito even prevented Serb refugees returning to
the province.  Albanians claim ownership of the whole region and not just this province based on the semi-mythical Illyrians.   Roman
accounts of these Illyrians demonstrate that they were nomadic since the would disappear completely between the intervals of visitation
to the Balkan coast by the Romans.    There is actually more evidence that Albanians have nothing in common with Illyrians and are
migrants from the Caucuses who settled there during the Ottoman occupation period.   So we have yet another fake nationalism like the
FYROMian and Ukr one.   Croats are also fecked in the head and claim to be Germanic.  

Yugoslavia was a creature of Versailles.

It was established by the British and the French, and 70 years down the line it was brought down by the same British and French among others

The USSR in the 20s opposed it and considered it an unnatural invention of Anglo-French imperialism.

But if we're talking about socialist Yugoslavia, that was indeed modeled on the USSR; it wasn't the same structure as I understand as the previous Kingdom of Yugoslavia.

It was not modeled on the USSR. Yugoslavia had a mixed economy with actual small businesses. The USSR never had such. Yugoslavia
never underwent forced collectivization so a large fraction of its farmers remained small business operators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia

Tito's Yugoslavia was routinely lumped in the west with the Warsaw Pact. That was moronic BS.

This classic picture seamlessly fits into this conversation! Gromyko looks particularly worried

Before I leave you all yet again to wank each other in this septic tank of a tread I will just reiterate one old item that applies here as well:

GarryB wrote:...By the way I look forward to see you back tracking on bagging communists when your new chinese overlords arrive and kick the Americans out of Serbia when everyone stops accepting their fake money...

1) Just as with Jihadi takeover of old white whore europe it's the same with China: by the time we get on the menu everyone else will already be finished

And as always outlasting others is all that matters

2) How is the paperwork for emigrating out of New Zealand coming up? It should have been finished ages ago, why are you still there?