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    Post  franco Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:50 pm

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    Austin wrote:Does any one have any good links that show the Orbat of Russian Airforce , Number of fighter transport link etc.

    Thank You

    i think russian version of wikipedia Russian Air Force pages is quite accurate

    I agree that not completely accurate, it is one of the closest. Emphasize on the RUSSIAN version as opposed to the English one.

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    Post  Austin Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:30 am

    Does the Su-34 and Su-30SM operating in Syria has MAWS ?

    AFAIK they dont and only Su-35S has 360 degree MAWS ?

    Without MAWS these types operating in Syria wont come to know they are under MANPAD attack
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    Post  medo Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:05 am

    Austin wrote:Does the Su-34 and Su-30SM operating in Syria has MAWS ?

    AFAIK they dont and only Su-35S has 360 degree MAWS ?

    Without MAWS these types operating in Syria wont come to know they are under MANPAD attack

    They don't have optical type MAWS, but that doesn't mean they could not have radar type MAWS. New Pastel RWR placed on the wings and on the tail fins give empty positions of older RWR sensors, so they could easily place some other sensors there. Su-30SM have those positions packed with sensors and they are not RWRs.
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    Post  Austin Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:07 am

    They would need a modern gen 360 degree Opitcal MAWS to know they are under attack from MANPADS or IR class missile.

    Su-24 pilot did not knew they were under attack ? Why because it has MAWS on top of Spine probably just covering top 180 Degree
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    Post  Mindstorm Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:12 pm

    Austin wrote:Why because it has MAWS on top of Spine probably just covering top 180 Degree

    Yes very likely Austin.

    Л-082 was purposely designed and conceived for open war operations against NATO targets; the very "peculiar" situation in Syrian theatre ,instead, has generated a scenario totally inconceivable for original designers of the system.

    In none instance in a true conflict, in facts, an "enemy" interceptor potentially capable to engage an Su-24M (moreover one perfectly tracked and followed any second, since its take-off, by the Federation's sensor echelon present in the sector) could had be capable to approach at only 5 km of distance at 35 degrees in the rear sector from lower altitude ,receiving target positional update from a pair of AWACS in the area, to deliver an AIM-9X in LOBL close combat mode ostensibly without a radar lock.

    The position on the Su-24M's frame of the Л-082's calotte take into account that in an open conflict a Su-24M  pass through or egressing from a contested area ,would mostly proceed at low altitude and high speed, therefore an air engagement with IR homing missiles would come from the upper hemisphere.  

    If any the very odd modality of this attack (even discounting the spatial ,temporal and procedural elements of the engagement sequence, very far from the normal international procedure between not enemy operators not threatening each the other) reinforce the hypothesis of an accurately planned ambush.

    In particular some factors are important in ascertain that :


    1) The vector and azimuth of approach of the Turkish aircraft, that seem to any extent guided directly by third party ISR assets to an useful point of interception, out of the chosen SU-24Ms sensor FOV.  

    2) The accurate avoidance by part of the F-16 of a direct radar lock , that could have alerted the Su-24M and/or the allied ground operators that was following that Viper in theirs screens ,that the aircraft in question had become hostile

    3) The choice of a close range IR missile, shot at point blank range against a target moving at low speed and totally unaware that any aircraft could even only think to engage it ,not constituting a menace for any actor in the theatre (except for the local terrorist groups).

    This is the technical meaning of the words "stab in the back".


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    Post  Austin Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:50 am

    Mindstorm wrote:
    Austin wrote:Why because it has MAWS on top of Spine probably just covering top 180 Degree

    Yes very likely Austin.

    Л-082 was purposely designed and conceived for open war operations against NATO targets; the very "peculiar" situation in Syrian theatre ,instead, has generated a scenario totally inconceivable for original designers of the system.

    In none instance in a true conflict, in facts, an "enemy" interceptor potentially capable to engage an Su-24M (moreover one perfectly tracked and followed any second, since its take-off, by the Federation's sensor echelon present in the sector) could had be capable to approach at only 5 km of distance at 35 degrees in the rear sector from lower altitude ,receiving target positional update from a pair of AWACS in the area, to deliver an AIM-9X in LOBL close combat mode ostensibly without a radar lock.

    The position on the Su-24M's frame of the Л-082's calotte take into account that in an open conflict a Su-24M  pass through or egressing from a contested area of would mostly proceed at low altitude and high speed, therefore an air engagement with IR homing missiles would come from the upper hemisphere.  

    If any the very odd modality of this attack (even discounting the spatial ,temporal and procedural elements of the engagement sequence, very far from the normal international procedure between not enemy operators not threatening each the other) reinforce the hypothesis of an accurately planned ambush.

    In particular some factors are important in ascertain that :


    1) The vector and azimuth of approach of the Turkish aircraft, that seem to any extent guided directly by third party ISR assets to an useful point of interception, out of the chosen SU-24Ms sensor FOV.  

    2) The accurate avoidance by part of the F-16 of a direct radar lock , that could have alerted the Su-24M and/or the allied ground operators that had the Viper was following that Viper in theirs screens ,that the aircraft in question had become hostile

    3) The choice of a close range IR missile, shot at point blank range against a target moving at low speed and totally unaware that any aircraft could even only think to enegage it ,not constituting a menace for any actor in the theatre (except for the local terrorist groups).

    This is the technical meaning of the words "stab in the back".

         

    Indeed this was the Ambush , Aided by All-Lies.

    All the more reason all Russian Fighters/Bombers/Transport should have MAWS , on Su-35S they use UV based MAWS for 360 * coverage , without which detecting IR based missile like SRAAM and MANPADS is impossible and pilot just have to depend on hunch or the rare RWR warning
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    "A 16-ton lifting capacity balloon, adapted to operation in the Arctic, will be created for the Russian Defense Ministry, Mikhail Talesnikov, commercial director of the Avgur RosAeroSistemy Company, the project developer, has reported. "This is a three-year program the work on which is due to start next year. At issue is creation for the Russian Defense Ministry of the Atlant A-30 balloon developmental prototype," specified a company official at the Arctic, the Present and the Future forum held in Petersburg.

    According to the developers, the balloon can resist the temperature down to minus 55 degrees Centigrade, a wind up to 30 m/s, and develop a speed from 120 to 160 km/h. In addition, it features an outstanding endurance and can take off and touch down on unprepared surface, including ice and water.

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    "The balloon can also be used year round as a habitation module, serving for instance as a hospital, base, etc." Talesnikov said. The Avgur RosAeroSistemy Holding Company has developed two modifications of such balloons, A-30 with a 16 ton lifting capacity and A-100 capable of lifting up to 60 tons of cargo. It is expected that the first one will be ready for demonstration to the customers in 2019, and the second in 2020."


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    AN26 bombing exercise. Havent seen this since Yugoslav civil war.
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    Post  zg18 Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:16 pm

    Two new Su-35S transferred to VKS, Far East

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:45 pm


    Looks like Mi-14 is back on ice again, money problems:

    http://panzerbar.livejournal.com/3103213.html
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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:18 am

    The helicopter demonstrator based on Mi-24 climbed into the air

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    Post  franco Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:57 pm

    Hi-lights of VSK Commander in Chief press conference:

    - expects to receive over 140 new aircraft and helos in 2016
    - experimental PKA DA may fly sooner then presently planned
    - VSK will conduct over 500 drills in 2016
    - VSK to restore over 40 airfields by 2020
    - Berkuts (Mi-28N) aerobatic team crash prompted new preventive measures
    - Swifts and Knight's aerobatic teams to get new aircraft
    - T-50 to start serial production in 2017
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    Post  TheArmenian Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:37 pm

    franco wrote:Hi-lights of VSK Commander in Chief press conference:

    - expects to receive over 140 new aircraft and helos in 2016
    - experimental PKA DA may fly sooner then presently planned
    - VSK will conduct over 500 drills in 2016
    - VSK to restore over 40 airfields by 2020
    - Berkuts (Mi-28N) aerobatic team crash prompted new preventive measures
    - Swifts and Knight's aerobatic teams to get new aircraft
    - T-50 to start serial production in 2017

    Further info I could gather from Victor Bondarev's (Victor Cooper Laughing ) conference.

    - PAK-DA expected to fly 2012, maybe sooner
    - New Tu-160 production will go ahead
    - PAK-FA final batch of tests will happen this year, serial production start in 2017
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    Post  Berkut Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:55 pm

    Could anyone link to the actual video of the conference/interview?
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    Post  TheArmenian Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:02 pm

    Berkut wrote:Could anyone link to the actual video of the conference/interview?

    Not a video link, but still helpful:

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201601231944-666i.htm

    and

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201601232002-uyvq.htm
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    Post  franco Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:57 am

    Aerospace Russian forces expect to receive from the industry in 2016, more than 140 aircraft and helicopters, told the Chief of the Air and Space Forces (VKS) Russian Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev.

    "We hope and believe that the state defense order in 2016 will be implemented in full. Scheduled delivery of more than 140 aircraft and helicopters, more than 200,000 aircraft weapons, more than 70 radar systems, 40 anti-aircraft missile complexes and systems plus 60 samples of space weapons "- listed general.

    He recalled that in 2015 Russia received over 190 modern aircraft and helicopters, as well as more than 30,000 aviation means of defeat. The share of modern technology and modernized in the army is 68%.

    "It is very pleasing that we have received over the plan, two Su-34. Technology comes not as it was before - all at the end of the year. Now she comes on a quarterly basis, not on the plants, promptly mastered in aviation units," - said Bondarev.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:32 pm

    Not sure where to post this as there is no general attack helicopter thread.

    For a change a really good article hosted by VT, written by an American for South Front, on the Mi-24/8 and Ka-50/2. Very positive.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/military-analysis-russian-attack-helicopters-come-of-age/
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    Post  Werewolf Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:53 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Not sure where to post this as there is no general attack helicopter thread.

    For a change a really good article hosted by VT, written by an American for South Front, on the Mi-24/8 and Ka-50/2. Very positive.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/military-analysis-russian-attack-helicopters-come-of-age/

    To be honest there are quite a lot of typos and wrong data like dates of helicopters aswell type of helicopters in what configuration and in active service.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:42 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Not sure where to post this as there is no general attack helicopter thread.

    For a change a really good article hosted by VT, written by an American for South Front, on the Mi-24/8 and Ka-50/2. Very positive.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/military-analysis-russian-attack-helicopters-come-of-age/

    To be honest there are quite a lot of typos and wrong data like dates of helicopters aswell type of helicopters in what configuration and in active service.
    The guy who wrote it clearly doesn't have the knowledge and expertise that is around here. I posted it as it is unusual to see such a generally positive writeup on Russia. Also a decent thread in VT.
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    Post  Guest Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:46 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Not sure where to post this as there is no general attack helicopter thread.

    For a change a really good article hosted by VT, written by an American for South Front, on the Mi-24/8 and Ka-50/2. Very positive.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/military-analysis-russian-attack-helicopters-come-of-age/

    To be honest there are quite a lot of typos and wrong data like dates of helicopters aswell type of helicopters in what configuration and in active service.
    The guy who wrote it clearly doesn't have the knowledge and expertise that is around here. I posted it as it is unusual to see such a generally positive writeup on Russia. Also a decent thread in VT.

    Yeah quite a few wrong data facts and assumptions but hey... on of the rare occasions where i see something positive written about anything Russian by an American. I found it funny how they portraited Ka50 as mass produced machine Smile
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    Post  George1 Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:05 am

    Ka-52 and Mi-8AMTSh in Eastern Military district

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    Post  medo Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:48 pm



    Helicopters in Korenovsk air base are getting roofs. Very Happy
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    Post  medo Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:08 pm

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    It seems not only helicopters in Korenovsk air base, but also Su-34 in renovated Baltimor air base will get at least new roofs if not full hangars.

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