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    Post  jhelb Tue May 26, 2020 11:55 am

    GarryB wrote:Soviet and Russian development of long range weapons to defeat AWACS and JSTARS is mainly because they are so effective in coordinating and managing an attack of air power
    AWACS, JSTARS are not effective against Russia. And against third world countries that the West generally fights against you don't need AWACS. They barely have anything called air defence.

    Long range air2air missiles are not always successful because you are giving the enemy enough time to detect it and adopt evasive maneuvres.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue May 26, 2020 7:26 pm

    Refuelling aircraft will be as high a priority as AWACS aircraft and JSTARs... they will likely be either shot down or withdrawn too...
    They can also receive fuel mid air &, if withdrawn, could support E-3s/JSTARs from 2-3x farther away, while being escorted by fighters.
    https://www.flightglobal.com/systems-and-interiors/boeing-tankers-refuel-each-other-in-kc-46-milestone-test/127613.article

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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 26, 2020 11:52 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Refuelling aircraft will be as high a priority as AWACS aircraft and JSTARs... they will likely be either shot down or withdrawn too...
    They can also receive fuel mid air &, if withdrawn, could support E-3s/JSTARs from 2-3x farther away, while being escorted by fighters.
    The tankers have the same bases as the E-3 so if one can't get gas neither can the other. The will probably have to rely on civilian airports. One the tankers have run out of UK refueling that's it, 2-3x farther away is the middle of the Atlantic.
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    Post  George1 Wed May 27, 2020 11:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:I was thinking the same.... thanks...

    Now that i created a new topic the discussion stopped..Strange.. It seems members of RDM have a trend to off-topic discussion Very Happy
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    Post  George1 Thu May 28, 2020 12:03 am

    According to the Russian Defense Ministry, air-to-air refueling is one of the most difficult elements of flight training.

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    Post  George1 Sat May 30, 2020 1:58 pm

    Russian Ministry of Defense on escorting American B-1B bombers


    In connection with the May 29, 2020 flight of two Rockwell B-1B Lancer strategic bomber from the 28th US Air Force bomber wing from Ellsworth (South Dakota) air base from the continental United States to Europe, with the passage of airspace of Poland and Ukraine, Ministry of Defense The Russian Federation reported that on May 29, 2020, the air defense duty forces of the Western and Southern military districts timely revealed the actions of the US Air Force B-1B strategic bombers over the neutral waters of the Black and Baltic Seas and escorted them by Russian fighters.

    At a considerable distance from the state border of the Russian Federation, American bombers were continuously accompanied by Russian radar controls.

    To intercept targets, Su-27P and Su-30SM fighters from the air defense duty forces of the Southern Military District were raised.

    The crews of Russian fighters approached a safe distance from air targets, identified them as B-1B strategic aviation aircraft, after which the American bombers changed the direction of flight from the state border of the Russian Federation.

    Flights of Russian combat aircraft took place strictly in accordance with international airspace use regulations.

    After completing the task, Russian fighters returned safely to the airfields.


    Video "Interception of strategic bombers of the US Air Force" (c) Department of Defense of the Russian Federation:



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    Post  George1 Sat May 30, 2020 2:11 pm

    Interception over the Black Sea of ​​the British aircraft Sentinel R.1


    On May 29, 2020 over the Black Sea, in addition to two USAF strategic rocket bombers Rockwell B-1B Lancer, were also leading reconnaissance of the Crimea region, the US Navy Boeing P-8A Poseidon patrol aircraft and the British Air Force Sentinel R.1 radar reconnaissance aircraft. In addition to intercepting both B-1Bs, Russian Su-30SM fighters from the 43rd Sevastopol Red Banner Separate Naval Assault Aviation Regiment of the Black Sea Fleet from Saki Airport intercepted and escorted the British Sentinel R.1 aircraft (board number ZJ691, call sign RRR7305). The interception video was distributed by the famous Fighterbomber network account.

    The British Royal Air Force has five Sentinel R.1 ground-based reconnaissance aircraft commissioned in 2008, made on the basis of the Bombardier Global XRS business jets and equipped with the Raytheon ASTOR (aka Sentinel Dual Mode Radar Sensor - DMRS) radar complex with AFAR . Data is transmitted via satellite communications equipment to a ground station. The aircraft are in service with the 5th squadron of the British Air Force at Waddington Air Base.

    Sentinel R.1 planes are supposed to be withdrawn from the British Air Force in March 2021 due to the high cost of the necessary modernization. It is reported that to replace them, the UK government is considering the acquisition of several additional Boeing P-8A Poseidon base patrol aircraft in the United States. Now the United Kingdom has ordered nine R-8A aircraft, the first two of which were delivered at the beginning of the year.



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    Post  Mindstorm Sat May 30, 2020 3:57 pm


    JohninMK wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:

    The attacks toward deep OTAN bases ,instead, will see the massive employment of the bulk of the long range munitions and will not be directed against runways, fuel storage and flight command but directly against the AWACS, tankers, advanced  5th generation tactical aircraft and air-launched cruise missiles and PGM in the airfield's weapon depots  

    Air bases in the United Kingdom will not be a primary targets because the center of actions on the continent would happen much more to the South; the situation moreover would be significantly different from WWII also for technical reasons : just for example today some MRLS could reach London area from North France  

    The major NATO air tanker base is Mildenhall and I suspect that Waddington would be the AWACS base as neither function could be performed out of Germany. That would I suggest make them primary targets.




    I was sure that Mildenhall AB was closed since a while and that all the US Forces here was, since a while, already transfered to Ramstein AB in Germany, but now i've found out that the base will be closed in 2027.

    In 2015 the survey on the European basing by part of USAREUR, officially with the excuse of money saving measures, deliberated the closure of several bases in the UK and the transference to positions (continental ones) more useful to the new OTAN posture centered around active resistance to potential Federation's Forces directly in the Baltic.

    Also, or above all, the structure and the basing of the OTAN's Air Forces was reconceived to support a greater sortie rate in the eastern sectors of the alliance, for the 100th Air Refueling Wing the transference to Ramstein Air Base would assure an average reduction in distance to the eastern front from 400 to 600 km therefore from 800 to 1200 km smaller mission distance.

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    Post  GarryB Sun May 31, 2020 8:49 am

    Hahahaha... moving everything east but Russia is not the threat... it is Iran and North Korea...
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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 31, 2020 4:13 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    The major NATO air tanker base is Mildenhall and I suspect that Waddington would be the AWACS base as neither function could be performed out of Germany. That would I suggest make them primary targets.
    I was sure that Mildenhall AB was closed since a while and that all the US Forces here was, since a while, already transfered to Ramstein AB in Germany, but now i've found out that the base will be closed in 2027.

    In 2015 the survey on the European basing by part of USAREUR, officially with the excuse of money saving measures, deliberated the closure of several bases in the UK and the transference to positions (continental ones) more useful to the new OTAN posture centered around active resistance to potential Federation's Forces directly in the Baltic.

    Also, or above all, the structure and the basing of the OTAN's Air Forces was reconceived to support a greater sortie rate in the eastern sectors of the alliance, for the 100th Air Refueling Wing the transference to Ramstein Air Base would assure an average reduction in distance to the eastern front from 400 to 600 km therefore from 800 to 1200 km smaller mission distance.
    Not only is Mildenhall fully operational but so is Lakenheath still full of F-15C/D and F-15E. Any move of the latter will be due to the crap range of the F-35 compared to the F-15s. Then there is Fairford regularly hosting B1/2/52 missions. I somehow doubt that in 2028 there will be any move of US assets from here in the UK to Germany.

    If the USAF thinks that in the time of war that they will be operating tankers any further east than the North Sea side of Denmark to cover the Baltic they must be delusional. If the Baltic is a 'hot' zone they won't be operating over Germany either.

    The only plans of moving assets east would be, as Garry says, when there is no risk of an actual conflict in Europe as opposed to just poking the bear. Now of course Europe is waking up to the risks of US nuke bombs being stationed where they always have been but that politically hidden from the public ants nest has been poked by the US insistence that Luftwaffe aircraft carrying them must be US and not Tornadoes. Big mistake waking that sleeping dog!

    Given the financial pressures heading our way NATO might be history by then anyway.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:28 am

    AWACS, JSTARS are not effective against Russia. And against third world countries that the West generally fights against you don't need AWACS. They barely have anything called air defence.

    That is not true at all... when the opponents choose not to engage them or can't reach them because they lack the suitable aircraft or weapons to do so JSTARS and AWACS are the best choice for a fight over someone elses territory... the Russian Navy plan to use the same setup for their future forces with AWACS type aircraft monitoring the airspace around them and aircraft filling the role of interceptor to defend the airspace around their ships, but unlike HATO even in this case these AWACS aircraft and fighter planes will be linked into an IADS that include those ships and their rather formidable air defence missiles and guns and jammers and decoys etc etc... a Russian carrier based AWACS could operate above a radar silent Cruiser like an upgraded Kirov or a brand new design with S-400 and S-500 based SAMs so any attempt by an opponent to shoot down the Russian navys AWACS platforms will have to get passed a solid air defence network that can shoot down incoming missiles... S-350 in the larger missile can reach 140km and hit targets at 30km altitude... even if the Russians go for an enormous airship for their AWACS platform with enormous radars including proper 20m square L band low frequency radars which together with other higher frequency sets also mounted inside the enormous shell of the airship could track any sort of stealth platform you like at very long range... they could have it operating at 30km altitude which is the equivalent of putting your forces at the top of a mountain making any attacks difficult already... many AAMs wont even reach it and long range ground launched SAMs would struggle too, yet at its altitude all the ships below it would see even a sea skimming missile hiding below the horizon 30km before it got anywhere near the airship and the airship itself could warn the ships operating with it of targets out to thousands of kilometres down to sea level.

    You could fill the airship with nitrogen between the bags of hydrogen so even armour piercing missiles that penetrate and explode inside the airship wont start any fires... and in the very thin air at 30km altitude the blast of a HE warhead wont be very effective at all.

    Being part of an IADS makes AWACS platforms more useful and more capable and actually safer...

    Against third world countries the AWACS is critical to HATO tactics... even if the enemy has shit planes having an AWACS to look everywhere at once... locate all enemy threats including radar and comm centres is very useful and being able to then direct fighters to the ideal launch position to shoot down those planes so those planes are facing the wrong way and never even see what hits them... the AWACS uses its radar so HATO fighters don't have to... so they never give away their presence except when enemy aircraft start blowing up when hit by missiles. The AWACS can also locate enemy radar emissions so they can direct ground attack aircraft with ARMs to take those out too... the AWACS effectively managed the destruction of the enemy defences and is critical... without it each group of fighters would be on their own with their much more limited fighter aircraft radar that only sees where it looks... you would need thousands of more flight hours and patrols to watch the skies 24/7 to see when and where the enemy uses their aircraft from fighters to helicopters and today drones... the AWACS makes everything much much easier.... which is why Russia has adapted its AAMs for shooting down bombers to also shoot down AWACS and inflight refuelling aircraft and JSTARS aircraft.

    Long range air2air missiles are not always successful because you are giving the enemy enough time to detect it and adopt evasive maneuvres.

    Against a fighter yes you are absolutely correct... after travelling 300km and coming down in a slashing attack the missile gets one go at you, so if you keep changing direction and altitude it needs to continually change course to different locations to intercept you... after a few changes it is going to get to the point where it doens't have enough fuel or energy to get to the new intercept point and you are safe.

    With an AWACS plane that simply is not going to happy because you are huge and your ability to change speed and direction are vastly more limited and when it comes down in a slashing attack there is no chance to dodge. Even as it is the R-37M can hit targets pulling 8g and the size and weight of its warhead is designed to bring down very large aircraft so for a fighter you can probably dodge better but its proximity fused warhead is most likely going to come down nearly vertical on you and rip you a new one before you even know you are under attack...

    A lot of the time my money would be on a smaller fighter that is modern having a reasonable chance of escaping after some serious manouvering, but they are not going to waste these huge long range missiles on fighter sized targets... they want to take down the inflight refuelling planes and AWACS and JSTARS... effectively they are doing what HATO does to third world countries... they are taking down their comms and HQs and IADS... and then that is probably it... a broken fragmented HATO air force is no longer a threat to Russia.... any aircraft try to enter Russian airspace or interfere with Russian aircraft outside of Russian airspace and they will shoot them down but otherwise it will most likely be nukes hitting their airfields that take down their planes...

    They can also receive fuel mid air &, if withdrawn, could support E-3s/JSTARs from 2-3x farther away, while being escorted by fighters.

    Fighter escorts wont do much good to protect AWACS and JSTARS... they don't intend to fly up and shoot them down with cannon fire... why would it be any different for inflight refuelling planes?

    Besides long range cruise missiles attacking major HATO airfields will be just as much of a problem... HATO fighters will be busy trying to chase those down anyway...

    They could use bases/airports in France, Spain, Portugal, & Iceland.

    They could but extended range Iskanders will now be able to target them there too.

    New longer ranged manouvering hypersonic cruise missiles are on their way too..

    The only plans of moving assets east would be, as Garry says, when there is no risk of an actual conflict in Europe as opposed to just poking the bear. Now of course Europe is waking up to the risks of US nuke bombs being stationed where they always have been but that politically hidden from the public ants nest has been poked by the US insistence that Luftwaffe aircraft carrying them must be US and not Tornadoes. Big mistake waking that sleeping dog!

    Given the financial pressures heading our way NATO might be history by then anyway.

    Personally I think the Russians should be rather more proactive and openly state that now that the US has walked out of the INF treaty... a treaty that Russia honoured and adhered to, that Russia will now build new weapons enabling Russia to defend itself by directly targeting all European countries with American nuclear weapons, French nuclear weapons, and British nuclear weapons and any bases for US troops in Europe. Soviet troops left Eastern European bases last century and it is pure aggression that the US moved forces east instead of out of europe. New Russian intermediate range missiles will target US bases in Europe and also all nuclear weapons held by America and Europe to make Russia safe from HATO aggression.
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    Post  Mindstorm Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:10 pm


    JohninMK wrote:If the USAF thinks that in the time of war that they will be operating tankers any further east than the North Sea side of Denmark to cover the Baltic they must be delusional. If the Baltic is a 'hot' zone they won't be operating over Germany either.


    If you will ever get the chance to see an US representation model of similar conflict's simulation you will remain shocked by the sheer amount of over-optimistic assumptions at theirs basis.

    Delusional will immediately appear as an euphemistic term.

    US planners reason in terms of numbers of platforms at given dinstance required to execute a particular task in this sector, simple like that !!! The enourmous amount of shifting variables (in particular those entirely depending on the opponent's action and capabilities), all capable to change drammatically or overturn the outcomes, are not even taken into consideration; it can appear absurd but is exactly how US military thinkers approach to the complexities of military thought.

    Usually the enormous quantitative and qualitative gap with theirs opponents allow similar simplicistic methodology to anyhow let US Forces to achieve the wanted results ,even if in a way totally disfunctional.

    The problem is that against a peer opponent this habit can become a risk for the entire world: i have not doubts that, contrarely to commonly shared opinions, even in a relatively limited conflict against a likely major opponent the first nuclear weapons to be used will not be Russian or Chinese ones ,but those belonging to USA ,very likely after a false flag attack with a tactical nuclear weapons against theris allies (to justify the nuclear employement) when the US Command will begin to realize how much reality, on the field, differ drammatically from theirs ridicule projections and from this point on a potentially catastrophic escalation can well happen.....

    This US habit obviously do not limit to the simulations of strategic basing and system's interaction but extend also to simulations and validation of theirs weapon development programs.

    Noticeable examples are those related to the JSF - F-35 - program; in any other nations the closed informations about the way the JSF program simulate OPFOR systems would lead to direct detention of the perpetrators and sudden exit from the joint program (but it seem that the enormous money flow amply benefy more than a pocket in western MIC); from time to time details from those hidden scandal permeate also in the public domain : i provide an example of that from Submissions to Australian Committees on Defence :

    Pag 2, n 35, submission by Lt.Col Anker Sorensen (Rtd)

    https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Foreign_Affairs_Defence_and_Trade/Joint_fighter/Submissions

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    Post  Hole Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:57 pm

    Reminds my of a Story I once read. Back in the 70´s, as the F-15 was being developed, one guy from the company claimed that the new jet combined with an new missile that was also in development (but never got into the air) would win 5.000+ fights before being lost. The General in charge smiled and said: "If I believed that shit we would need 3 planes, one in Asia, one in Europe and one back home for training."
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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:47 am

    any news on Ka-60, Mi-38, and TVS 2DTS (An-2 replacement) havent heard anything for ages, i believe Mi-38 is a lot further along than the Ka-60
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:34 pm

    Russia has patented a new way to launch missiles from aircraft

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    In the future, Russian combat aircraft may receive vertical launchers for missiles, the launch of which will be carried out in mortar shells. A patent for the corresponding invention is published in the database of the Federal Institute of Industrial Property (FIPS).

    The mortar launch of guided aircraft missiles, anti-missiles and other ammunition from vertical launchers was offered by specialists of Design Bureau Fakel named after Grushin and NPP Radar MMS. According to the inventors, this method of firing is safer and allows you to launch missiles even from an airplane standing on the ground.

    The method of vertical air launch of missiles includes the vertical launch of a rocket from a launch container placed on an air carrier

    - TASS quotes an extract from the patent.

    Launching missiles from a vertical launcher in a mortar or “cold start” assumes that the missile will be ejected from the launcher without turning on the engine, i.e. with the help of some kind of knockout charge. The rocket starts its engines already at a safe distance from the carrier. To compensate for pressure from the oncoming air flow, the authors propose the use of stabilization engines in the bow of the rockets.

    Note that the “cold start” is well known and widely used in Russian weapons, for example, to launch ICBMs, in some anti-aircraft missile systems, etc. The authors of the invention opposed their method of launching missiles from the vertical launchers of an aircraft, which the Americans considered unsafe. Developers from the United States offered a "hot" start when the rocket engine turned on even in the launch container.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:14 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Russia has patented a new way to launch missiles from aircraft

    VVS Russian Airforce Force: News #2 - Page 22 1591420590_1591420641

    In the future, Russian combat aircraft may receive vertical launchers for missiles, the launch of which will be carried out in mortar shells. A patent for the corresponding invention is published in the database of the Federal Institute of Industrial Property (FIPS).

    The mortar launch of guided aircraft missiles, anti-missiles and other ammunition from vertical launchers was offered by specialists of Design Bureau Fakel named after Grushin and NPP Radar MMS. According to the inventors, this method of firing is safer and allows you to launch missiles even from an airplane standing on the ground.

    The method of vertical air launch of missiles includes the vertical launch of a rocket from a launch container placed on an air carrier

    - TASS quotes an extract from the patent.

    Launching missiles from a vertical launcher in a mortar or “cold start” assumes that the missile will be ejected from the launcher without turning on the engine, i.e. with the help of some kind of knockout charge. The rocket starts its engines already at a safe distance from the carrier. To compensate for pressure from the oncoming air flow, the authors propose the use of stabilization engines in the bow of the rockets.

    Note that the “cold start” is well known and widely used in Russian weapons, for example, to launch ICBMs, in some anti-aircraft missile systems, etc. The authors of the invention opposed their method of launching missiles from the vertical launchers of an aircraft, which the Americans considered unsafe. Developers from the United States offered a "hot" start when the rocket engine turned on even in the launch container.

    https://topwar.ru/171889-v-rossii-zapatentovali-novyj-sposob-zapuska-raket-s-samoletov.html

    Air Launch: How Invented a New Way to Launch Missiles from Aircraft

    The mortar launch into space is not a forgotten, but also an unrealized idea. Perhaps everything will change.

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    An event has happened that is rare enough for our country. A patent was issued for launching missiles from aircraft using vertical launchers. It was received by developers from the Engineering Fakel Design Bureau named after Academician Grushin and NPP Radar Mms. A message about this is contained on the website of the Federal Institute of Industrial Property (FIPS). Our engineers have many breakthrough inventions. But they are very rarely patented.

    The description of the invention says that the method of vertical air launch of missiles includes a vertical launch from a launch container placed on an air carrier. In this way, it will be possible to launch guided missiles, anti-missiles and ballistic missiles.

    Such a launch is sometimes called a "mortar." The peculiarity is that the rocket propulsion engine does not turn on in the launcher, but later, when the rocket moves to a safe distance from the aircraft. The initial launch of the rocket and its ejection from the launcher is carried out, for example, using a pneumatic balloon or a powder pressure accumulator.

    Everything is fine, but there is nothing special to enjoy. A paper patent was received for what the domestic "Ilona Masks" tried to practically implement at the beginning of this century, that is, almost twenty years ago. It was an Air Launch project. And it is worth remembering.

    In a long-standing project, by the way, actively supported by the then existing Russian Aerospace Agency, it was envisaged to launch a launch vehicle with satellites on board from a height of 10-11 km from an air launch platform. As a carrier aircraft, it was proposed to use a modification of the heaviest serial transport aircraft An-124-100 Ruslan.

    To implement the project, the An-124-100, which was in a dead state, was purchased from the Air Force. Only to clean the fuselage from bird droppings required several heavy trucks. The private company that took the plane pledged at its own expense to restore the huge airliner to working condition, and then on its basis to carry out the whole complex of experimental and test work for the implementation of an air launch. This required money. They began to earn on the transportation of bulky goods. At the same time, detailed calculations were carried out on a promising rocket and work to attract investors.

    In the interim, the Polet launch vehicle was created, in which it was supposed to use environmentally friendly components of rocket fuel “liquid oxygen + kerosene”.

    This missile was just supposed to be dropped from Ruslan in a container from which it would launch "in a mortar". One of the most difficult tasks is to simultaneously land a cargo with a mass comparable to an airplane. They decided it. It was proved that it is quite possible and safe, under a certain flight mode, to drop in the launch zone a launch vehicle weighing 100 tons or more within the carrying capacity of the An-124-100 carrier aircraft.

    It was proved that the Launch vehicle, launched in an air launch mode, is capable of launching satellites weighing up to 3.5 tons into low polar orbits, up to 4.5 tons into low equatorial orbits, and up to 0.85 tons into orbits of navigation systems GLONASS and Galileo, up to 0.8 tons per geostationary orbit.

    When equipping geostationary satellites with an apogee propulsion system, which ensures the satellite’s transition from a geo-transitional orbit to a geostationary one, the “Launch” launch vehicle made it possible to launch satellites weighing up to 1 ton into geostationary orbit. To the Moon and on the flight paths, the Air Start system was supposed to launch spacecraft weighing 1 ... 1.2 tons.

    It is worth repeating that all this was calculated in detail and partially tested almost twenty years ago. Even Elon Musk himself does not dream about this today.

    Naturally, the Russian project aroused interest abroad. Since it was most advantageous to launch missiles using the technology of air launch from the equator, Indonesia even proposed using one of its equatorial islands for these purposes. Provided that she will enter the project.

    A real spaceport was supposed to be built at the Frans Kaisiepo airdrome (Biak Island). Work was supposed to go with joint Russian-Indonesian funding. An interstate agreement was even signed.

    But then the then leadership of the Air Force recalled that the An-124-100, which was completely restored at the expense of a private investor, formally remained in their ownership. How so? The plane flies, brings profit to someone, and the Air Force commander aside. That commander in chief did not even remember about the project "Air Launch", which in its implementation went to the finish line. But he made every effort to pick up Ruslan and actually destroy one of the most promising space projects in Russia. It was funded, it is worth repeating, by an individual. The Russian Ilon Mask did not take place - the Air Force was not allowed, or rather, their commander in chief, whose last name does not make sense.

    I would like to believe that the Fakel Machine-Building Design Bureau and the Radar Mms patented their invention will be able to bring the paper document to iron. On the other hand, there is a question.

    For a number of technical and technological solutions for the Air Launch project, developed in a preliminary design and confirmed by modeling, 24 patents were received in six countries of the world that possess rocket technologies (USA, Ukraine, France, Germany, Great Britain, Russia). Surely the authors of that project did not begin to patent one of their main achievements - the mortar launch technology?

    https://rg.ru/2020/06/06/vozdushnyj-start-kak-izobretali-novyj-sposob-zapuska-raket-s-samoletov.html
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:38 am

    any news on Ka-60, Mi-38, and TVS 2DTS (An-2 replacement) havent heard anything for ages, i believe Mi-38 is a lot further along than the Ka-60

    AFAIK the delays with those programmes are Russian engines and all Russian parts that are delaying things... of course the biggest hurdle for Mi-38 is that Mi-17 is still in demand and production... but I guess its improved performance is going to win it some customers too.

       
    Russia has patented a new way to launch missiles from aircraft



    Interesting... I always thought the idea of their twin barrel 23mm cannon used to launch flare and chaff rounds was clever and that a 30mm or 40mm model could be used to rapidly deploy chaff clouds and IR screens in clusters around the aircraft without needing to cover the surface with launchers that leave open hollow tubes that must magnify RCS issues...

    The weapon pylons with R-77 missiles use an arm launcher that throws the missile down and away from the aircraft before launch to ensure proper clean separation and clearance before the weapons rocket motor is started up.

    Conformal missiles like the R-37M also have similar structures to allow the weapons to clear the parasitic airflow that would push the weapons back up into the fuselage of the aircraft when the missile is released... potentially damaging the aircraft and the missiles control fins.

    Launching weapons upwards has been considered problematic because access is an issue... note a weapon bay that opens upwards and releases bombs and missiles upwards could double the internal capacity for weapons by better utilising available space but obviously there needs to be some way of pushing the weapons up with enough force that the slip stream slows them down and they fall behind the aircraft for unpowered weapons and for powered weapons their motors light up and accelerate them away from the aircraft without making contact.

    Imagine the small wing root mounted missile positions on the Su-57... imagine a dozen more on top of the aircraft body and a centre area where larger missiles can be loaded and launched... significantly increasing the number of internal weapons available to the pilot in combat...

    The doors would open and the arm would throw the weapon up and several metres clear of the aircraft and the motors on the missiles light up and away goes the weapon toward the target... weapon bay closes...

    For small weapons like 9M100 anti missile missiles with thrust vector rocket motors they could be facing forwards or backwards...

    The main problem is that it probably wouldn't work well with heavy weapons... most normal aircraft would not have the vertical depth to have a large weapon mounted angled up and a launch tube to fire it...

    For something like a MiG-41 it could have a section down the middle with vertically located but angled forward like the Granits on a Kirov with a very short burn rocket motor to effectively blow the 6-8 metre long missile up at a 45 degree angle out of the fuselage of the aircraft and clear of the aircraft and then the main rocket motors of the missiles fire and take them up nearly vertically to rapidly climb to thinner air for max speed perhaps with a scramjet motor benefitting from the high altitude and high speed launch to maximise range.

    During WWII some fighter planes had bombs vertically stored behind the pilots position to reduce inflight drag and centralise the mass near the cg so when they were dropped the aircraft didn't become unbalanced... They dropped them down obviously but the idea is similar in terms of increasing places where weapons are kept without external drag or using up limited available hard points...

    Note removed posts from this thread regarding Indias options for MiGs and Flankers is here:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t8092-indias-options-for-new-fighters
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    Post  Hole Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:43 pm

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    "Mortar" launch method from planes/ekranoplans.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:01 pm

    Hole wrote:VVS Russian Airforce Force: News #2 - Page 22 001416
    "Mortar" launch method from planes/ekranoplans.

    That's what I thought originally because originally the Caspian Sea Monster had experimented with with angled launchers above the fuselage, but the designers at Fakel spoke about use in even in anti-air/SAM use. So maybe they plan on creating Ekranoplans as a flying component of S-400/S-500/Nudol units, and they should be able to carry dozens of missiles with no real issue.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:02 am

    The problem with huge missiles is that the aircraft that carries them needs a fuselage with a height that equals their length... so average sized air launched missiles should be fine but some of the really long missiles are going to need a An-124 sized aircraft....

    The fact that they need that big wind protector suggests this will be from large slow aircraft.... not MiG-31s or MiG-41s... which is fine because launching them vertically from an aircraft moving horizontally would provide benefits from the altitude but not from the flight speed so it would be the same as rolling them out the back of a transport plane at high altitude... and for many weapons that is good enough, while the efficient internal stacking would mean rather more weapons carried more efficiently.

    Imagine a transport with a 6m body height loaded with 6m long cruise missiles that is 5 metres wide and 60m long filled with vertical cells... say five cells across and 60 cells long... that is 5 x 60 = 300 missiles. The obvious problem of course is that that number of 1.5 ton missiles would be 450 tons... but an ekranoplan can carry quite heavy payloads... it is certainly more than two horizontal rotary launchers could carry.

    If we say each of the two weapon bays are 12m long and say 4m wide then 4 tubes wide and 12 tubes long times two is 48 times two... which is quite a large number of missiles too. 96 times 1.5 is quite heavy as well...

    For carrying long range AAMs and ABMs it would make more sense with high flying much faster aircraft and to benefit from the flight speed horizontal launch would be more valuable.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:23 am


    Freshly built Tu-214 had it's first flight, it's definitely not for civilian airline so I'm putting it here

    Any idea what is it's intended purpose? (please be EW)

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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:26 am

    No big antennas so unlikely it is EW/ELINT. Maybe the tanker version ? The angle of the picture isn't helping...
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    Post  TheArmenian Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:16 am

    It will go to the government fleet. Transport of VIP.

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    Post  George1 Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:43 pm

    Russian Knights aerobatic group fully reequipped with 8xSu-35S and 8xSu-30SM

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4084207.html
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:38 am

    Poland recognized the power of the Russian Su-30SM

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