VVS Russian Airforce Force: News #2

Russian radars track 56 foreign spy planes and drones near state borders over week

https://tass.com/defense/1392055

Interesting news. Apparently head designer of Antonov was arrested in Ukraine due to alleged support for SMO
https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/4762
The security service of Ukraine has detained the lead designer of the Antonov airline for supporting the special operation of the Russian Federation, the Kyiv prosecutor's office has reported.

caveat emptor wrote:Interesting news. Apparently head designer of Antonov was arrested in Ukraine due to alleged support for SMO
https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/4762
The security service of Ukraine has detained the lead designer of the Antonov airline for supporting the special operation of the Russian Federation, the Kyiv prosecutor's office has reported...

Verbal support or actual support?

PapaDragon wrote:
Verbal support or actual support?

I looked around and they didn't say. But when everything is over they should bring him over to Russia. There might be more like him.

PapaDragon wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Interesting news. Apparently head designer of Antonov was arrested in Ukraine due to alleged support for SMO
https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/4762
The security service of Ukraine has detained the lead designer of the Antonov airline for supporting the special operation of the Russian Federation, the Kyiv prosecutor's office has reported...

Verbal support or actual support?

Most likely there a was a russian map in the last used emoticones in its sms app...

Those guys are crazy. They arrest random dudes and try to exchange them for ukrainian POW in Russia.

I am fairly sure that Russia would like more talented aircraft engineering talent. But Russia has no shortage of aircraft engineers. And if this guy wanted to bail out from his country (Ukraine), whoever he is, he had a long time to do it.
Maybe he just does not want to get sent packing to Donbass with an old AK-47 and two clips?

ALAMO wrote:It is not about him, but more about the sad reality of 404.
What sane country would push a procedure of bailing out conscripted men for $5000 apiece, being in the middle of a war they are losing?
As I have said, nobody who has not observed that with their own eyes would believe in that.
In 30 years, a story about how you could officially bribe yourself out of war will be an urban legend.
People will laugh at that.  
But we are witnessing that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly Irish working-class men who did not want to fight in the Civil War and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $6,600 in 2021) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.

Murrica.

lancelot wrote:

ALAMO wrote:It is not about him, but more about the sad reality of 404.
What sane country would push a procedure of bailing out conscripted men for $5000 apiece, being in the middle of a war they are losing?
As I have said, nobody who has not observed that with their own eyes would believe in that.
In 30 years, a story about how you could officially bribe yourself out of war will be an urban legend.
People will laugh at that.  
But we are witnessing that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly Irish working-class men who did not want to fight in the Civil War and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $6,600 in 2021) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.

Murrica.

It happened in Balkans, as well, but there was not an official law. I believe it is a pretty common thing. Rich people rarely go to war.

ALAMO wrote:THat is a different thing folks.
They could pay for hiring someone to substitute him.
A well known and established practice in the middle ages, all over Europe.

But now we are talking about a situation, where one puts a "deposit" and is free to leave the country.
Sure they were doing that till now either, but that was just a bribe and nobody tried to call it a different name.
Now, you can bribe the country - in daylight.

a financial fine means its legal at a price you know

In Russia, work is underway on the mass construction of special shelters for military aircraft

This reform in the domestic Air Force has been expected for more than a decade. And now in Russia, work is underway on the mass construction of special shelters for military aircraft.

The start of this program was announced in the spring of last year personally by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Sergei Shoigu.

The fact that close attention has been paid to the problem at the highest level speaks of the urgent need to solve it. According to the plans of the Russian defense department, it was planned to build at least 300 air shelters. First of all, they will be used to store the latest fifth-generation aircraft created by domestic aircraft manufacturers.

The need for such facilities for our airborne forces has been demonstrated by the Syrian experience. He showed that aircraft must be protected from enemy attack not only in the air, but also on the ground. The Islamists have repeatedly attacked the Russian air base Khmeimim in Syria with the help of drones and even fired at them with mortars.

In the open air, one ammunition with its fragments is capable of hitting several aircraft at once. If they are covered, then the enemy will have to try hard to damage each piece of equipment.

But shelters are needed not only to protect against enemy ammunition, but also from adverse weather conditions. Being under a roof, expensive equipment will be less exposed to the vagaries of the weather and will last longer. And the technical staff will work with it easier and more convenient.

The construction details of such structures are not a military secret, as they were developed back in the 60s of the last century. These are reinforced concrete shelters of arched type. They consist of semi-arches with walls up to 60 cm thick and have metal gates. Outside, the structure is covered with earth and masked with turf, or even planting trees.

https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/200400-v-rossii-vedutsja-raboty-po-massovomu-stroitelstvu-specukrytij-dlja-voennyh-samoletov.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

franco wrote:In Russia, work is underway on the mass construction of special shelters for military aircraft

This reform in the domestic Air Force has been expected for more than a decade. And now in Russia, work is underway on the mass construction of special shelters for military aircraft.

The start of this program was announced in the spring of last year personally by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Sergei Shoigu.

The fact that close attention has been paid to the problem at the highest level speaks of the urgent need to solve it. According to the plans of the Russian defense department, it was planned to build at least 300 air shelters. First of all, they will be used to store the latest fifth-generation aircraft created by domestic aircraft manufacturers.

The need for such facilities for our airborne forces has been demonstrated by the Syrian experience. He showed that aircraft must be protected from enemy attack not only in the air, but also on the ground. The Islamists have repeatedly attacked the Russian air base Khmeimim in Syria with the help of drones and even fired at them with mortars.

In the open air, one ammunition with its fragments is capable of hitting several aircraft at once. If they are covered, then the enemy will have to try hard to damage each piece of equipment.

But shelters are needed not only to protect against enemy ammunition, but also from adverse weather conditions. Being under a roof, expensive equipment will be less exposed to the vagaries of the weather and will last longer. And the technical staff will work with it easier and more convenient.

The construction details of such structures are not a military secret, as they were developed back in the 60s of the last century. These are reinforced concrete shelters of arched type. They consist of semi-arches with walls up to 60 cm thick and have metal gates. Outside, the structure is covered with earth and masked with turf, or even planting trees.

https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/200400-v-rossii-vedutsja-raboty-po-massovomu-stroitelstvu-specukrytij-dlja-voennyh-samoletov.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

Why did it take them 80+ years to reach this conclusion?

80 years ago you would be spending 100 times more on the hangar than on the planes... now it is the other way around.

limb wrote:Why did it take them 80+ years to reach this conclusion?

There are many Soviet reinforced concrete shelters, but most of them were built for 3rd generation aircraft like MiG-23 and others. Latest 4th generation Sukhois and even MiG-29s do not fit there.

What most people here don´t get is that there is a difference between the flightline, the maintenance area and the dispersal area. The pics of airplanes lined up in the open are from the flightline, there ready to fly and fight aircraft are standing, waiting for the pilot/crews to arrive at a moments notice. There are large hangars in the maintenance area (by the way the hangars build in Syria are mainly to protect technicians from the summer sun) and then there is the dispersal area with hardened aircraft shelters or revetments. The fact that most russian aircraft are parked at the flightline has to do with the fact that we are no longer in the 80´s with 15.000 aircraft and helicopters, back then some regiments got 50 - 60 aircraft, half of which were parked in the dispersal area, some were in the maintenance hangars and the rest was ready to fly.

Even just 15 years ago the Russian military had thousands of different problems... all of which seemed they would never get solved and they were stuck with... most of the Russian population were embarrassed by their military and there was not respect from anyone.

Over the time since then they have totally turned things around and while there are problems that remain they don't include issues like no guided weapons in production, or no thermal imaging or night and all weather sensors available, or no satellite navigation or recon systems operational...

They had to prioritise... and lets face it... losing some Su-24s is not the worst thing that could have happened... if it really was a precision strike with recon and coordinates from HATO it would have been Su-35s and Su-34s and likely Tu-22M3s they would have been going for... in fact if they had that capacity it would have been the main HQ of the Black Sea Fleet and various critical buildings on that peninsula that are a communications hub for the entire Russian fleet.

Putin awarded the 277th Bomber Aviation Regiment the honorary name "Guards"


Russian President Vladimir Putin named the 277th Bomber Aviation Regiment "Guards". This follows from the decree of the head of state, it is published on the portal of legal information.

As follows from the document, the regiment received the honorary name for heroism and courage, fortitude and courage shown by personnel in combat operations.

The presidential order came into force on November 9.

At the end of July, Putin gave the 488th Motorized Rifle Regiment the honorary title of Guards.

https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/20221191353-TvKzl.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

BliTTzZ wrote:

limb wrote:Why did it take them 80+ years to reach this conclusion?

There are many Soviet reinforced concrete shelters, but most of them were built for 3rd generation aircraft like MiG-23 and others. Latest 4th generation Sukhois and even MiG-29s do not fit there.

that depends on the base

Putin awarded the 23rd Fighter Aviation Regiment the honorary name "Guards"

Russian President Vladimir Putin conferred the honorary title "Guards" to the 23rd Tallinn Fighter Aviation Regiment. The text of the decree can be read here .

The honorary title was awarded for mass heroism and courage, fortitude and courage shown by the personnel during the hostilities.

Earlier it was reported that Putin expelled Nikolai Svanidze from the Human Rights Council under President Nikolai Svanidze and added Alexander Kots, a military commissar.

https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/202211171445-cIESw.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

December 21, 13:46,
updated December 21, 14:24

Shoigu: Russia needs to create eight bomber aviation regiments and one fighter regiment

According to the Minister of Defense, it is also necessary to form five artillery divisions of military districts and artillery brigades of high power in order to create an artillery reserve in strategic directions.

MOSCOW, 21 December. /TASS/. Russia needs to additionally form a fighter and eight bomber aviation regiments. This was stated on Wednesday by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at the final collegium of the military department with the participation of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"For each combined-arms (tank) army, to maintain a mixed aviation division and an army aviation brigade numbering 80-100 combat helicopters. In addition, to additionally form three directorates of aviation divisions, eight bomber aviation regiments, one fighter aviation regiment, six army aviation brigades," - Shoigu said.

According to the minister, it is necessary to form five artillery divisions of military districts and high-capacity artillery brigades in order to create an artillery reserve in strategic directions.

Shoigu also believes that five divisions of the Marine Corps should be formed in the coastal troops of the Russian Navy. "In the coastal troops of the Navy, on the basis of the existing marine brigades, form five divisions of the marine corps," he said.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16653571

Podlodka77 wrote:
Shoigu: Russia needs to create eight bomber aviation regiments and one fighter regiment

I'm afraid this is just a name change

The helicopter regiments will be brigades (will they add a new transport squadron, maybe Mi-38?)

The fighter regiment will be get from separate the MiG-31 and the Su-24 in Monchegorsk

The Moscow and Leningrad Military Districts will be formed again from West MD, which implies that at least one more figther regiment is needed to accompany the Besovets regiment in Leningrad MD

The mixed regiments will be renamed to bomber regiments (Monchegorsk, Chelyabinsk, Marinovka and Gvardeyskoye),  all with 3 squadrons of Su-34
Later the 4 assault regiments (Su-25) will also be replaced by Su-34 bombers, given the use that we have already seen of these aircraft in Ukraine.


Then the new districts will  have:

Leningrad MD: 159 IAP (Su-35 and get Su-57), 174 IAP (MiG-31 and get 3ºAE Su-35 from Besovets), 98 BAP (Su-24 to get Su-34). Also Levashovo Transport Regiment and two helicopter regiments in Ostrov and Pushkin)

Moscow MD: 790 IAP as it is, 14 IAP (to get 3AE Su-35), 47 BAP, to get 3AE, also one transport regiment (Kubinka ?) and at least Vyazma helicopter reg