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VVS Russian Airforce Force: News #2
Cyberspec- Posts : 2904
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New gear for Russian pilots
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Ahh, yes... they are fire resistant... rated for about a minute or so...
They are also better for evasion on the ground than the previous blue suit they normally wear.
They are also better for evasion on the ground than the previous blue suit they normally wear.
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Looks like a new helmet too
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Wooden mockup pistol looks funny...
No attachment points on the helmet for the various helmet mounted systems like NVG or the targeting system shlem (spelling)... perhaps they have helmet mounted displays... they mentioned new active HUD systems in their army visors, so perhaps they are further advanced for aircrew helmets?
No attachment points on the helmet for the various helmet mounted systems like NVG or the targeting system shlem (spelling)... perhaps they have helmet mounted displays... they mentioned new active HUD systems in their army visors, so perhaps they are further advanced for aircrew helmets?
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for high intensity conflicts
New tank truck dramatically reduces planes’ refueling time — Russian Defense Ministry
New tank truck dramatically reduces planes’ refueling time — Russian Defense Ministry
"One truck is capable of refueling 24 planes simultaneously. According to our estimates, the planes get ready for flight 15 times faster than before," he said. wrote:
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Russian fighter jets scrambled 12 times on interception missions in last week
https://tass.com/defense/1086461
https://tass.com/defense/1086461
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http://mil.today/2019/Science11/
Russia Presented New Laser Aircraft Landing System
A Russian company named Krasnogorsky Zavod presented the LLS 1A laser course-glide aircraft landing system co-designed with National Innovative Technology Medical Center. The system ensures safe landing of airplanes and helicopters in the dusk, night and adverse weather conditions.
The laser system consists of three beacons: two glide-path ones and one localizer. The laser beams help an aircrew to observe an ideal landing approach path, the system's designers told Mil.Press Today. This maintains a safe flight altitude essentially eliminating the hazard of uncontrolled surface contact; provides accurate alignment with runway; and helps to find a flareout point and visually observe a runway touchdown point.
Furthermore, the designers say LLS 1A radiation is safe for the crew at any distance, because even at the module output, the beam density is 40 times lower than that of the common laser pointer.
According to Petr Sygourov, an advisor to the director of the company's research and technical center and the honored aircraft designer of Russia, the tests confirmed that the system's beams in some cases can be detected 7 km away from the airfield at the runway visibility not exceeding 250 meters.
The system is fully adapted for operations in the Arctic airfields, too, Sygourov added.
"The longer body on the one side is made on purpose. There are deflectors inside that prevent the laser modules from getting clogged with the snow. We gave up the heating system as in case of any heating the snow melts and the ice builds up. All that is made in order to plant the beacons on the Kotelny and the Novaya Zemlya islands, to mark ideal landing paths in severe conditions. The system does perfect in the polar night as well", said the expert.
A source of Mil.Press Today formerly engaged in the meteorological service at the Temp Airbase agreed that such system could be useful. Example, in case an air ambulance is urgently needed on the Kotelny Island at the heavy weather conditions. In such situations, an additional support of this kind would be quite helpful for pilots.
However, Gen. Maj. (Air Force) Alexander Akhliustin took the presented novelty skeptically: "The laser course-glide systems are an old story that was not widely used, except maybe on aircraft carriers. We train our combat pilots to land with the glade-path radio beacons. Sure, you can install the laser system somewhere at a field runway, as it is easier to deploy than a radio beacon, but this will uncover both the airfield and the approaching airplane", said the officer.
For the first time, the laser aircraft landing system with course/glade visualization was applied in 1971-1973 by Igor Berezhnoi, head designer at the Automatic Systems Design Bureau.
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VKS General News
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VVS (VKS) general news thread:
https://www.russiadefence.net/t8011p475-vvs-russian-air-force-news-1
Since your posting infographics on certain type of aircraft, their numbers, and what regions their deployed, they would also be relevant in this thread:
https://www.russiadefence.net/t4806p650-russian-air-force-numbers-and-procurement-plans
https://www.russiadefence.net/t8011p475-vvs-russian-air-force-news-1
Since your posting infographics on certain type of aircraft, their numbers, and what regions their deployed, they would also be relevant in this thread:
https://www.russiadefence.net/t4806p650-russian-air-force-numbers-and-procurement-plans
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Up to you Hole, would you like your posts moved to one or other of the above threads, or rename this thread to reflect a new topic/thread?
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The posts got nothing to do with procurement. The VVS news thread was closed as i wanted to put the infographics there. Maybe rename the thread to "air parades" or so. But there should be a general news thread for the air force, the army got one.
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Russia holds air parade over Moscow’s Red Square on Victory Day
A total of 75 helicopters and aircraft flew over Moscow’s Red Square
MOSCOW, May 9. /TASS/. A parade formation of 75 helicopters and aircraft flew over Moscow’s Red Square to mark the 75th anniversary of the Soviet Union’s Victory over Nazi Germany in the 1941-1945 Great Patriotic War, TASS reported from the scene.
Traditionally, the air parade started with the flyover of helicopters over Red Square, including the world’s largest
Mi-26 military transport rotorcraft,
Mi-8AMTSh multirole gunships,
Mi-35M transport/attack helicopters,
Ka-52 ‘Alligator’ reconnaissance/strike helicopters and
the Mi-28N ‘Night Hunter’ helicopter of Russia’s Berkuts sole helicopter aerobatic team.
The flyover of helicopters was followed by
an A-50U long-range radar surveillance aircraft,
three Il-76MD military transport planes and
a trio of Tu-95MS long-range bombers. After that,
four Tu-22M3 bombers led by a Tu-160 strategic aircraft appeared in the skies over Moscow’s Red Square. Following that, an Il-78 aerial refueling tanker flew over Red Square together with a Tu-160 strategic bomber imitating mid-air refueling.
They were followed
by a quartet of MiG-29SMT multirole frontline fighters and
a quartet of Su-24M frontline bombers.
Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, Russian Knights and Swifts aerobatic teams
After that,
four MiG-31K interceptor-fighters carrying Kinzhal air-launched hypersonic missiles appeared in the skies over Moscow together with a wing of four fifth-generation Su-57 multirole fighter jets.
Two MiG-31K fighters outfitted with Kinzhal hypersonic missiles were the main attraction of the parade’s air component back in 2018. These airborne platforms have been on combat duty in the Russian Army since 2017. A Kinzhal hypersonic missile is capable of flying at over ten times the speed of sound and has an operating range of up to 2,000 km.
After that, "a tactical air wing" of ten aircraft flew over Moscow’s Red Square.
The tactical group included Su-34 bombers, Su-30SM and Su-35S fighters.
They were followed by the world’s renowned Russian Knights and Swifts aerobatic teams. The crews of the aerobatic teams flying five Su-30SM and four MiG-29 fighters performed the Cuban Diamond stunt at a speed of about 550 km/h.
The air parade was concluded by six Su-25 attack aircraft. They exhausted special fumes in the colors of the Russian national flag.
The aircraft flew over Moscow’s Red Square at altitudes of 300 meters to 500 meters and at a speed of 500 km/h while the flyover of helicopters took place at an altitude of about 150 meters and at a speed of 200 km/h. Eight aerodromes in the Moscow, Lipetsk, Tver, Ivanovo, Saratov and Kaluga Regions were involved in the flights of aircraft and helicopters.
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oth long range bombers that tactical aircraft that already enjoy a combat range advantage against western counterparts wrote:
Mindstorm, what advantage does Russian tactical aviation have over Western aviation?
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Arrow wrote:
oth long range bombers that tactical aircraft that already enjoy a combat range advantage against western counterparts wrote:
Mindstorm, what advantage does Russian tactical aviation have over Western aviation?
In the statement you have reported it clearly specified the parameter to which i refere.
Precisely i was attempting to highlight how combat range of tactical aircraft force of the Federation surpass sensibly those of western counterparts and how this parameter would be used (togheter with the higher engagement range of the air to ground theatre to strategic missiles) to attack the enemy air bases , to progressively degrade its air forces potential, starting from froendly air bases effectively unreachable for enemy aviation.
Су-30CМ, Су-34, Су-35C and Су-57 all outrange ,often significantly, theirs western counterparts.
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Mindstorm wrote:Arrow wrote:
oth long range bombers that tactical aircraft that already enjoy a combat range advantage against western counterparts wrote:
Mindstorm, what advantage does Russian tactical aviation have over Western aviation?
In the statement you have reported it clearly specified the parameter to which i refere.
Precisely i was attempting to highlight how combat range of tactical aircraft force of the Federation surpass sensibly those of western counterparts and how this parameter would be used (togheter with the higher engagement range of the air to ground theatre to strategic missiles) to attack the enemy air bases , to progressively degrade its air forces potential, starting from froendly air bases effectively unreachable for enemy aviation.
Су-30CМ, Су-34, Су-35C and Су-57 all outrange ,often significantly, theirs western counterparts.
Yes, but VKS does not have weapons that can attack from a safe distance. Western aviation has many cruise missiles with such capabilities. Russia has such capabilities but only through strategic aviation. Tactical aviation can only attack targets from a direct distance.
Russia still does not have stealth aircraft. Yes, the Su-57, but it will take a long time before they acquire a significant number of these aircraft. Meanwhile, the US has about 180 F-22 and 500 F-35, plus F35 in Europe, many F-16, EF-2000, Gripen. This is still a huge advantage of Western aviation. Of course, Russian machines have better performance when it comes to range maneuverability but will this offset NATO's advantage in tactical aviation?
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There is no real need to carrybthe missile internally if it has enough stand off range to stay outside of the enemy engagement zone.
Intercepting a su-57 or any fighter jet that can supercruise more than 500km away is very difficult.
First because of the range (most of jets will cruise at subsonic speed).
And second because of the detection range which can't be more than 500km anyday soon. Awacs huge ranges are against big rcs targets. Against cruise missiles and new fighter-bombers with coating that absorbs radar waves, even if they use L band, the range will be less than 200km. I even want to say less than 100km... add to that the su-57 pilot will choose the best terrain to hide from any radar by flying low before the launch of the missile.
Intercepting a su-57 or any fighter jet that can supercruise more than 500km away is very difficult.
First because of the range (most of jets will cruise at subsonic speed).
And second because of the detection range which can't be more than 500km anyday soon. Awacs huge ranges are against big rcs targets. Against cruise missiles and new fighter-bombers with coating that absorbs radar waves, even if they use L band, the range will be less than 200km. I even want to say less than 100km... add to that the su-57 pilot will choose the best terrain to hide from any radar by flying low before the launch of the missile.
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Arrow wrote:Western aviation has many cruise missiles with such capabilities. Russia has such capabilities but only through strategic aviation. Tactical aviation can only attack targets from a direct distance.
Name those western air delivered cruise missiles that allow to attack from "safe distance" ,excluding obviously JASSM and JASSM-ER , that are the weapons in debate.
Isos wrote:There is no real need to carrybthe missile internally if it has enough stand off range to stay outside of the enemy engagement zone.
Intercepting a su-57 or any fighter jet that can supercruise more than 500km away is very difficult.
If the range of the missile is measured in thousands of Km (such as some strategic range cruise missiles) your line of reasoning is perfectly shareable; the problem arise when you must attack enemy REAR (second and third echelon) air bases ,in particular those hosting not only just the carrying platforms of enemy stand off missiles (and obviously theirs weapon depots) but also enemy aircraft used for command and control (in western nations AWACS and J-STAR)and air-refueling aircraft.
The effects of similar deep attacks, if successful, are obvious : the enemy Air Force lose, almost completely, any capability to endanger own key rear installations and the IAD's nodes at theirs defence -even only of moderate density- but in this instance you must deliver from hundreds of km within the enemy airspace
An F-35, for example, with externally mounted JASSM/JASSM-ER could at maximum attack enemy's first echelon command and control installations and air bases (moreover defended hundreds of times more than any OTAN counterparts) where no critical assets are ever deployed and evacuation and dispersion measures are much more pressing , an Су-57 could attack, thanks to much greater volume of its internal weapon bays and combat radius, directly the hosting air bases of those same F-35s, the weapon depots of its JASSM/JASSM-ER and all theirs supporting assets such as AWACS and tankers.
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Yes and no. If you want to attack so deep you will need a kalibr with 2500/4000km range. The su-57 with a kh-59mk2 may have the range but it would be suicide mission to send it attack US bases in Germany because even if it is stealth and all that it will be dead alone so deep in enemy territory.
F-35 has a not so great range and if they want it to fly above the front line they will use airbases at less than 1000km away from the front. Then it will be in range of mig-31D+Kinzhal and other new iskander disrupting their air operations allowing su-57 to go a little bit in enemy territory and launches its missiles at targets in range. You don't send him to take out targets very far when you have kalibr for them and when you have plenty of targets near the front or as you call them on the first echelon.
F-35 has a not so great range and if they want it to fly above the front line they will use airbases at less than 1000km away from the front. Then it will be in range of mig-31D+Kinzhal and other new iskander disrupting their air operations allowing su-57 to go a little bit in enemy territory and launches its missiles at targets in range. You don't send him to take out targets very far when you have kalibr for them and when you have plenty of targets near the front or as you call them on the first echelon.
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Mindstorm wrote:Arrow wrote:Western aviation has many cruise missiles with such capabilities. Russia has such capabilities but only through strategic aviation. Tactical aviation can only attack targets from a direct distance.
Name those western air delivered cruise missiles that allow to attack from "safe distance" ,excluding obviously JASSM and JASSM-ER , that are the weapons in debate.
KEPD 350 Taurus, Storm Shadow,SCALP, Delilah, SOM cruise missile etc. A lot of precise equipment with a range of several hundred kilometers.
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Isos wrote:The su-57 with a kh-59mk2 may have the range but it would be suicide mission to send it attack US bases in Germany because even if it is stealth and all that it will be dead alone so deep in enemy territory.
Well that is not the informed opinion, as result of extensive simulations, among MoD planners.
The model take into account 4 main points :
1) The almost complete absence, in western military architecture, of high-gain, multi-band radar with integrated signal processing (the development of which was an almost two decades long affair....).
2) The lack of high performance very-long-range air defense systems to the level ,such as C-400 or С-300В4.
3) The lack of any high mobile modern medium and short range defense, with optronic tracking back-up channels, capable to possibly ambush incoming Cu-57 passing in theirs defended area or to neutralize the delivered missiles at the target's position.
4) The commitment by part of western Air Forces ,within the next three decades, for interception and air denial missions , on a fleet of almost exclusively subsonic tactical aircraft - F-35 -
A squadron of 12 Cu-57 with 4 internal Х-59МК2, with probably another one with air superiority weapon configuration, will take-off from air bases placed well beyond range of attack of enemy tactical aviation with JASSM/JASSM-ER proceeding at high altitude and subsonic speed in friendly air space, possibly receiving air refueling in proximity of the limits of the area controled by Federation Ground Forces; those squadron will maintain this flight regime up to 150-200 km from first echelon of ground forces (for the presence of umbrella coverege offered by С-300В4 and C-400 divisions and division level EW that will also hamper the work of enemy radar and surveillance sateliltes) then it will accelerate to supersonic cruise speed to reach the optimal and more safe point of delivery for the 48 Х-59МК2 and at the same supercruising speed it will egress toward protection of friendly IADS.
The chances that ,even already-in-the-air squadrons of F-35A (having much lower altitude limits that hinder the kinematic performances of theirs air to air missiles and lower theirs authonomy) will be capable to intercept a similar stand-off attack group of Cu-57, maintaining reduced RCS configuration, would be abysmally low., those F-35s would moreover not receive any guidance from any multi-spectral long range radar or space-based surveillance systems.
The most complex situations and scenario would be the one taking into account the deployment of the entire fleet of F-22s in the European theatre ,that will obviously complicate thosew kind of mission and operations in the South Western European sectors for the effect of French Nostradamus OTH radar.
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Mindstorm wrote:Isos wrote:The su-57 with a kh-59mk2 may have the range but it would be suicide mission to send it attack US bases in Germany because even if it is stealth and all that it will be dead alone so deep in enemy territory.
, those F-35s would moreover not receive any guidance from any multi-spectral long range radar or space-based surveillance systems.
Why ? Since France has OTH radar, they see air traffic in quite a large part of European Russia.
What about this situation? Attack of strategic maneuvering and hypersonic missiles from the territory of Russia with the participation of strategic aviation? or VKS would try to fight the F-22? The entire F-22 fleet is a powerful force. In addition, the F-22 has better parameters than the F-35 and the has supercruise capabilities. Su-57 has better characteristics? but there will be much less of them all the time. The only hope is to destroy the F-22 at base with a hypersonic missile. Slow subsonic missiles will be quickly detected by the French OTH radar. There will be time to react?
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Mindstorm wrote:Isos wrote:The su-57 with a kh-59mk2 may have the range but it would be suicide mission to send it attack US bases in Germany because even if it is stealth and all that it will be dead alone so deep in enemy territory.
Well that is not the informed opinion, as result of extensive simulations, among MoD planners.
The model take into account 4 main points :
1) The almost complete absence, in western military architecture, of high-gain, multi-band radar with integrated signal processing (the development of which was an almost two decades long affair....).
2) The lack of high performance very-long-range air defense systems to the level ,such as C-400 or С-300В4.
3) The lack of any high mobile modern medium and short range defense, with optronic tracking back-up channels, capable to possibly ambush incoming Cu-57 passing in theirs defended area or to neutralize the delivered missiles at the target's position.
4) The commitment by part of western Air Forces ,within the next three decades, for interception and air denial missions , on a fleet of almost exclusively subsonic tactical aircraft - F-35 -
The chances that ,even already-in-the-air squadrons of F-35A (having much lower altitude limits that hinder the kinematic performances of theirs air to air missiles and lower theirs authonomy) will be capable to intercept a similar stand-off attack group of Cu-57, maintaining reduced RCS configuration, would be abysmally low., those F-35s would moreover not receive any guidance from any multi-spectral long range radar or space-based surveillance systems.
The most complex situations and scenario would be the one taking into account the deployment of the entire fleet of F-22s in the European theatre ,that will obviously complicate thosew kind of mission and operations in the South Western European sectors for the effect of French Nostradamus OTH radar.
Point four is an utter and complete BS.
France has no F-35, Germany neither and Italy and UK would take them as mere substitutes of A2G planes of the like of Tornado, Harrier and AMX and not as AD fighters.
The rest of tiny European AF that would acquire F-35 even all together would have less planes than the least of the above listed ones.
Deploying more than a group of F-22 in Europe would mean leave continental US defenseless against long range bombers.
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RuAF vs US-NATO AF
Arrow wrote:Why ? Since France has OTH radar, they see air traffic in quite a large part of European Russia.
Nostradamus do not have such a detection range, it is very efficient and ,for the technology of the time of its construction, also surprisingly accurate, significantly more than what initially computed by Federation's specialists, (like someone has highlighted here it in 1999, a still in development Nostradamus, constantly detected and followed F-117 and B-2 operations against Serbian targets) ,but its range barely reach Warsaw - and therefore would be incapable to early warn an attack against a target placed at this distance -.
As said deep air operations, like that previously described, in the Western and South-western european targets would be very difficult to carry on because interceptors could be cued toward the incoming aircraft by Nostradamus and therefore would require a level of corollary asset for the strike squadrons very big and also with them the success would be seriously in question.