The Situation in the Ukraine. #32

nomadski wrote:@ Littlerabbit

".....I need a feedback about something. On the 14th of February, Duma will consider the proposal of recognition of Donbass republics.Could it be the trigger for Kiev's intervention in Donbass?Is there a strong possibility for acceptance of this proposal, next week? scratch What do you guys think? dunno ......."


in my view , if without recognition , there can be no military help to save the lives of the people against an attack , then recognition is needed . Since likely that Kiev will attack , as without an attack it can not stay in power . But if help can still be provided , without recognition , then this offers advantages politically . Since present international borders remain unchanged . Forceful change of borders , should be avoided , as far as possible . My solution for any change in borders is through a public vote . But who is eligible to vote ? Well the lives of all those who will be affected by the vote . And this is not as simple to determine as it seems .

Compare this situation to the Kurdish problem . Should Kurds only have a vote on forming separate country ? How about non-kurds , who live in Kurdish areas ? How about non-kurds who live in Syria , those that will be  cut off from neighbours by a separatist vote ? How about the people in Turkey or Iran , who will have their countries torn apart as a result of separate homeland for Syrian Kurds ? So we see that , there are consequences for many people . And they should all have a vote on the issue . And if all people in Syria and Iraq and Turkey and Iran had a say in the vote , it is obvious that there should be no separate Kurdish region or nation . We can apply this to the situation in the EU or the conflict in Israel/ Palestine  . A vote over Eastern Ukraine , should extend to Ukraine and Russia at least . Who else could be affected by a separation of Eastern Ukraine ? Certainly not the British or the Yanks !

They won't be recognized, nor did they as such declare independence themselves

The proposal was forwarded by Zyuganov, head of the KPRF. Those proposals which are passed are forwarded by Putin himself or United Russia party members; United Russia maintains a majority in the Duma.

Their faces lol

Don't tell that to the "Russia doesn't need Ukraine", "Russia doesn't want Ukraine", "Deadweight" crowd. Their heads may explode, splattering propaganda everywhere.

Doesn't need or want it in its current condition and mindset.

If they grow up and have thoughts about their own well being instead of thinking from Washington like the EU and HATO, then there is a future with better relations, but there is nothing to discuss and certainly not worth invading to save any time soon.

The only purpose of a Russian invasion would be to stop Kievs planned genocide.

There is not other good reason for a Russian attack so there wont be.

Luka is right, they better make no mistakes cause they already made a huge blunder in 2014, and the Americans are intent on not allowing it. Wondering what the fix will be to boot out the trash from Kiev.... the political game has utterly failed, all assets neutralized by Washington and Kiev.

Luka is best known for surviving... not necessarily being right.

Russia didn't lose the Ukraine in 2014... Kiev was looking west well before then and turning their nose up at Russia... despite all the benefits they enjoyed.

At any rate, even if in 15 years some version of "Ukraine" gets to become part of the Union State, the U.S policy of containment can only be called but a success....pushing back integration, and its potential by 20 or so years.... for a few billions, cookies and the stupidity of some "bright" Kremlin men.

Even if Ukraine never joins Russia the US can have them... Moscow will gift wrap the parcel.... the Ukraine is a turd in a box... and it hasn't even been polished.

You keep going on about Ukraine like it is some prize... it is not.

It will be a burden to anyone who takes control, whether from London or Paris or Washington or even Kiev.

I need a feedback about something. On the 14th of February, Duma will consider the proposal of recognition of Donbass republics.

Could it be the trigger for Kiev's intervention in Donbass?

I suspect that would be the plan... when the wests bullshit gets too much Russia will open normal relations with these regions, and when they start to trade and grow and develop and their standard of living goes up the rest of the Ukraine will be asking why are we not trading with Russia too... Kiev would either have to invade or admit the people who got them in to this position were criminals and lets talk... or they will invade... but to invade means less loss of face, but also certain military defeat on the battlefield.

Claims of making Russia bleed for this victory will likely mean Ukraine will bleed more... when HATO couldn't defeat the Serbs over Kosovo they started bombing all sorts of stuff and pleaded with the Russians to push Serbia to the table for talks... hitting civilian infrastructure targets was part of that pressure... how many decent infrastructure targets does the Ukraine have?

in my view , if without recognition , there can be no military help to save the lives of the people against an attack , then recognition is needed .

Russian citizens are present so that would be enough to provide military help if they wanted to.

If recognition is granted SehSha will have a fit the likes of which we haven't seen.....yet. So be it,

But it is OK because Mother can tell the west that the situation is unique... they will understand I am sure...

A pox on the lot of them and toss in a dose of the clap for good measure.

They way they behave and the company they keep I am sure they already have both and likely a lot worse too.

I personally find it difficult to estimate. My impression is that the picture shown in the media does not correspond to reality...but I don't know that many people from the region either.

The same media that said some nobody was the real leader of Venezuela... Guano or something... don't even remember his name now...

I know the history of the region, how people generally think. But now, in a very specific situation, it is difficult to assess how much sympathy there is for Russia in the eastern and central regions of Ukraine. After all, there was years of brainwashing by the Nazis.

Lots of brain washing and lots of hate, but after over 5 years of economic chaos and no solutions or development or growth other than fighting tooth and nail to get Russia to pump gas through their pipes... how good was that propaganda... how effective is it?

Most people know their government and their media lie... the Soviet people knew this better than anyone in the west...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/07/politics/us-intel-russia-doubts-invasion-ukraine/index.html

US intel and CNN now going full retard. This is getting hilarious now.

Do you think that Russia will finally recognize the Donetsk and Luhansk republics?