Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

Urban combat in Ukraine, does not say where.
From twittershit.
Footage is impressive tough.

I remember it took an entire regiment, 400+ guys to take an skyscraper-type building. and it takes forever to clear it.

Not sure how Kiev is going to fall within the next few days. They have repelled every attack so far and are hanging on pretty good. This is looking like a month long campaign at this point. Russia didn’t have enough troops to do this fast.

OminousSpudd wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

What really eats me is being curious about what exactly motivated Russia to go full Rolling Thunder on international relations by starting this because they torched a lot of bridges here for decades to come and apparently entire government and political spectrum seems to be okay with it

What happened? What do they know that we don't? What's the long term plan?

What kicked this off? Because the Ukraine is not exactly new topic but so far they were completely restrained diplomatically and militarily and yet the whole thing went tits up all of a sudden

Any ideas? Seriously asking here

The biggest question of the decade. They've gamed the outcome and decided that the benefits outweigh the costs. How on earth they came to that conclusion is beyond me, which indicates there's something under the surface that we're not seeing. I would of said the Kremlin had contracted a terminal case of koolaid addiction if it wasn't for their excruciatingly measured approach to everything in the past 2 decades.

SWIFT cut off has happened, so sanctions have gone as nuclear as they possibly can. We've transitioned from soft power wars to Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo in the last 72+ hours. Oh well, GWOT was fun while it lasted, back to big boy fights now. PRC won't be sitting the sequel out, whether they like it or not. We might even get the 3rd installment to the World War trilogy yet

This whole SWIFT thing is not that big. SWIFT is a messaging system only (and a non-cryptographed one), it doesn't ever make the actual transaction (the transfer) but just send the message with the info about it. Later the transaction happens accordly with the relations between the involved banks - same bank they go internally and by rule doesn't use SWIFT. If the involved banks have direct connection it may happen in parallel, otherwise a third bank can be used, or something else.

You can go to any bank right now and ask to make a manual international transfer, which means not using the SWIFT system. The bank will somehow call the other bank (phone, mail, smoke signals etc.) and inform about the transaction which later will happen exactly like it would do if it had been done using the SWIFT.

The only practical advantages of the SWIFT is  bulk speed (and SWIFT is slow) and lower costs due to standardization, but ever the whole "manual" process can be automatized with the right agreements with other banks; however Russia have its own system[1] and several countries/banks are already connected to it.

[1] actually two but the second I've have never seen mentioned anywhere, I suppose because it was not heavily tested yet: https://cyberft.com/

Airbornewolf wrote:Urban combat in Ukraine, does not say where.
From twittershit.
Footage is impressive tough.

I remember it took an entire regiment, 400+ guys to take an skyscraper-type building. and it takes forever to clear it.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1497637588219441153

Depends on how patient you are, if you just block off all the entrances and cut off the water and power it will happen with little effort. Tear gas through the HVAC at irregular intervals will speed things up.

Question going through my mind " why Russian forces do not encircle & bypass towns and cities , offering resistance ? " And then link up more quickly to encircle entirely the Eastern half , along the River . Also I feel an example needs to be made of those nations interfering , well at least the worst offender . Something that would require a lethal response , but I would not advertise the attack . See if they want to make it public ? A response to lethal "aid" , an escalation much needed now .

To all the Ukrainian people ( and not just Asov ) , I say , this is God's punishment for your nation's Sins . So , I know you are crying now for your nation . So cry and be sad , for your Sins and those of your father's Sins .

Evidence surfacing that Byelorusian fifth column has sneaked in Kievan side also. Boots on ground.Proves btw what kind of "protesters" they were. Nato-trained special operatives from the beginning.

Russia and Byelorus can use this operation like Syria; as side-kick getting rid of all sorts of paid stooges.

bitcointrader70 wrote:Not sure how Kiev is going to fall within the next few days. They have repelled every attack so far and are hanging on pretty good. This is looking like a month long campaign at this point. Russia didn’t have enough troops to do this fast.

Repelled? not sure. Why slowed down? well US would bomb a half Kiev phosphorus bombs. But Russians dont want to do it.

bitcointrader70 wrote:Not sure how Kiev is going to fall within the next few days. They have repelled every attack so far and are hanging on pretty good. This is looking like a month long campaign at this point. Russia didn’t have enough troops to do this fast.

You must not be following very carefully.
Russia took short break on Friday because they were expecting negotiations. That slowed the progress for one day.
Tonight Kiev is in flames. Russia might be hardening their tactics a bit; hitting oil depot and hopefully in next hours also other infrastructure which could be of value for Kiev armed forces. All military and government related objects should be considered legitimate targets from now on.

And addition: Chechen battalion - backed by video evidence! - has taken over Kievan military base and confiscated several type of equipment from there. The base is in Kiev region so it is of great importance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIPNVm6lNfM

Occasional rumbles, just heard some gunfire

Your post is very interesting but lets continue in Economy thread this one is about war happening now.


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ATLASCUB wrote:The Chinese are not ready to take over Taiwan. Not by a long shot. And they're also deluded if they think the Taiwanese elite will relinquish sovereign power to them, peacefully.

China played their cards right and they were very smart to get to where they're today. With that said, they're a hobo nation, in the sense that they don't command allegiance structures, nor have the expertise, nor have shown the willingness to engage in bloc confrontation and how those are managed, and fought over.

Problem is, the empire controls a big fat bloc and will confront it with this big fat bloc. They can't escape from it, just like Russia can't.

Block confrontation IMHO is exactly what is happening now. It has been ripening for long time now Ukraine is just a pretext not a reason for confrontation . Chine ready or not has to act . If Russia is down Chine is the next...

The videos of gunfire in Kiev are all local gangs settling scores. None of them are for any Russian forces action. Only UAVs were
deployed over Kiev and the regime forces managed to hit an apartment building. Fox News is claiming Russians will attack Kiev
tonight. I doubt it. It is a Nazi hive and Russia has no reason to hurry.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Block confrontation IMHO is exactly what is happening now. It has been ripening for long time now Ukraine is just a pretext not a reason for confrontation .  Chine ready or not has to act . If Russia is down Chine is the next...

They know... they're not stupid. The question is, what will their decisions and strategy be. Coddling the empire, trying to "lay low" has run its course. The empire literally tells you every day they consider China an existential threat to their hegemony. They can't avoid what's cooking. Russia was #1 roadblock - as we can see, they've manufactured a split out of the blue in just 8 years (obviously more in the making as part of a larger grand strategy but for the sake of illustration). China is next and Taiwan is clearly the easy hanging fruit. Impasse in the first "trade war" doesn't mean there will be impasse in the second or third flashpoint, and it's coming.

ATLASCUB wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Block confrontation IMHO is exactly what is happening now. It has been ripening for long time now Ukraine is just a pretext not a reason for confrontation .  Chine ready or not has to act . If Russia is down Chine is the next...

They know... they're not stupid. The question is, what will their decisions and strategy be.

But does the Chinese leadership have what it takes to act? It seems that when faced with a choice between taking immediate action or keeping it cool and play the long game, they always take the latter, perhaps this behavior will change now since China has become far more powerful than before.

PhSt wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Block confrontation IMHO is exactly what is happening now. It has been ripening for long time now Ukraine is just a pretext not a reason for confrontation .  Chine ready or not has to act . If Russia is down Chine is the next...

They know... they're not stupid. The question is, what will their decisions and strategy be.

But does the Chinese leadership have what it takes to act? It seems that when faced with a choice between taking immediate action or keeping it cool and play the long game, they always take the latter, perhaps this behavior will change now since China has become far more powerful than before.

There is a limit to playing the long game. You can ignore one slap, two slaps, 3 slaps in the face. You can't ignore a full body takedown. The Americans will make sure of that.

PhSt wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Block confrontation IMHO is exactly what is happening now. It has been ripening for long time now Ukraine is just a pretext not a reason for confrontation .  Chine ready or not has to act . If Russia is down Chine is the next...

They know... they're not stupid. The question is, what will their decisions and strategy be.

But does the Chinese leadership have what it takes to act? It seems that when faced with a choice between taking immediate action or keeping it cool and play the long game, they always take the latter, perhaps this behavior will change now since China has become far more powerful than before.

Based on the Chinese government reports about the Taiwan situation, it will be solved after 2025 when the current government leaves. As per their words, the solution will depends of the future government to decide if it will be thru negotiations or by force.

Until the Taiwan situation is cleared, and they take over of TSMC, what will make them more powerful, I don't think they will make any aggressive move. Also, we should remember since several centuries the Chinese society is mercantilist, and they are likely to try to avoid direct confrontations albeit it doesn't mean they would not support other actors.

To lighten up a bit...

Urluber wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:Not sure how Kiev is going to fall within the next few days. They have repelled every attack so far and are hanging on pretty good. This is looking like a month long campaign at this point. Russia didn’t have enough troops to do this fast.

You must not be following very carefully.
Russia took short break on Friday because they were expecting negotiations. That slowed the progress for one day.
Tonight Kiev is in flames. Russia might be hardening their tactics a bit; hitting oil depot and hopefully in next hours also other infrastructure which could be of value for Kiev armed forces. All military and government related objects should be considered legitimate targets from now on.

And addition: Chechen battalion - backed by video evidence! - has taken over Kievan military base and confiscated several type of equipment from there. The base is in Kiev region so it is of great importance.

As much I would like to believe the cease fire excuse I think it was bullshit. There was tons of gunfire heard the other night when the “cease fire” was happening. We will see but I am not optimistic. I’m pretty sure Russian high command was thinking they were already going to own Kiev and most of the soldiers would surrender. But they are putting up a fight.

bitcointrader70 wrote:Not sure how Kiev is going to fall within the next few days. They have repelled every attack so far and are hanging on pretty good. This is looking like a month long campaign at this point. Russia didn’t have enough troops to do this fast.

Took the US and UK 11 days to take Basra. Yet here we are on day 3 retards.

From Mark Sleboda https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1

Russia, despite an overwhelming military advantage, is intentionally fighting with one hand tied behind their back in this intervention & limiting use of its most powerful weapons systems. Because the Russian military is not only trying to minimize civilian casualties, but minimize casualties among the Ukrainian military as well. Russia's opponent here is not the Ukrainian people or military per se, but the US-backed Putsch regime that seized power in 2014 and the Banderites that make up its vanguard and brownshirts.

Hence the Russian military's repeated pauses and entreaties to Ukrainian conscripts to lay down their arms, don't die for this US-backed Putsch regime that has ruined the country, and you will be treated with respect and sent home.

Destroyed mig-29s on the ground https://twitter.com/Caseisbelly/status/1497755670866706432

kvs wrote:The videos of gunfire in Kiev are all local gangs settling scores.   None of them are for any Russian forces action.    Only UAVs were
deployed over Kiev and the regime forces managed to hit an apartment building.    Fox News is claiming Russians will attack Kiev
tonight.   I doubt it.  It is a Nazi hive and Russia has no reason to hurry.  

yes. There has been cases where Ukraine military is mistaken for Russians and fighting as ensued.

Russia has kept the internet and cellphone service on. And the Kiev govt has handed out weapons to untrained civilians. Ukranians are watching the western media and seeing Russians everywhere that arent actually Russians.

Russia is de-militerizing the place. Nobody knows what the plan for Kiev is. The Russian military is air tight. Even RT isn't disclosing anything on the operation

Orlan wrote:Intel and AMD stop supplying microchips to Russia.

Russia will use a 3rd country. Just as China used Vietnam for Trump sanctions on steel.

Plus the EU doesnt have custody of the RCB's assets.

Backman wrote:

Took the US and UK 11 days to take Basra. Yet here we are on day 3 retards.  

A lot of the ones spouting nonsense are probably psyop bots. There aren't many wars that last less than a week. Very, very few. But their job is to sow discontent.

I know this, in five days or less the army group in Donbas will have to make a difficult choice - stand and fight while it is being cut off or try to get out "Highway of Death" style.

Turkey refused Zelensky's demand to close the Straits.

This was a day ago. The Ruble gained most of its losses back. It will react again from the swift bs. But it will just float back up again. Russia is a dual creditor nation. Its gravity